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Offline CT27

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The evacuation of Capella
If I remember correctly, 200million/250million of Capella's population was successfully evacuated before it went supernova.

A question I was thinking of (after thinking of some disaster movies I've seen with sort of the same dilemma):  How do you think the GTVA decided who to evacuate first?  If you were the GTVA and knew you could only evacuate a certain number of people, who would you save and who would you unfortunately have to leave behind?

 

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Well, a life is a life so there shouldn't be any discrimination to who gets saved and who doesn't. However, if only a small amount of people were able to be saved, then it would probably be the most important politically.
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Re: The evacuation of Capella
easy peasy, the one closer to the hatch gets out!
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easy peasy, the one closer to the hatch gets out!

I think this is correct. The clock was ticking, and there wouldn't have been time to sort people out, they were still evacuating when the Shivans showed up. Ships were consumed by the supernova. I'm sure the most important people will have been taken care of, but basically I expect they just scooped up whoever they could get their hands on as quickly as possible.

 

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Yes - but even without much time, the GTVA would have a contingency plan for such a situation, they had the meson-bomb-the-nodes plan prepared ahead of time (I think) and evacuating a system would be a byproduct of that.  Maybe something along the lines of non-essential people first, then an even spread across essential services so that you maintain law & order as the amount of people left diminishes, e.g. fully evacuate outlying centres 1st.  Perhaps part of the ground-side-military would be the last to leave (best equipped to look after themselves & assist with the evac?) assuming the GTVA takes a humanitarian approach rather than "save the military 1st since they can fight" (not that ground troops are much use vs Shivans of course).
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Re: The evacuation of Capella
They were evacuating Capella for weeks, though, since the first Sathanas. It's entirely possible that nearly everyone got out.
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Re: The evacuation of Capella
not that ground troops are much use vs Shivans of course

Given that the Shivans never made any planetary landings even when they did hold GTA or Vasudan systems.....
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Re-reading the briefing text I am not sure exactly how well the node collapse is pre planned, also as NGTM-1R says the evacuation starts around the time of the first Sathanas so any plans at that point probably dont entail the node collapse strategy (especially as to me the Their Finest Hour text suggests that Bastion refit has only finished about that time)

Having said that I expect that ever since the T-V war the Terran element has had some kind of evacuation plan set in case of Alien invasion of Terran space.  A contingency probably expanded upon with the conclusion of the Great War.

not that ground troops are much use vs Shivans of course

Given that the Shivans never made any planetary landings even when they did hold GTA or Vasudan systems.....

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At this point, the Shivans have control of Beta Cygni, Betelgeuse, Ross 128, Ikeya, and Regulus. Most of the Vasudan forces are gathering in Vega for a counterstrike, while we are gathering our fleet in Antares for an effort to retake Ribos and Beta Cygni. Oddly enough, the Shivans don't seem to be interested in taking control of any planets in the systems, or gathering natural resources. Instead they seem to be focused on controlling individual jump nodes.

The only canon interactions between shivans and planets is the latter being glassed from orbit
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Re: The evacuation of Capella
I see what you mean about the Bastions refit completion time, however the Exodus CB calls it a contingency plan, which would imply pre-planning rather than make-it-up-as-you-go  :)  And yes, irrespective of the evacuation being linked to the node collapsing, the GTVA probably had evacuation plans since at least shortly after the glassing of Vasuda Prime.

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Allied Command is committed to evacuating all non-essential personnel. A contingency plan is in the works to hold the Shivans here, in Capella, and prevent the expansion of the Shivan incursion to other systems of the GTVA.

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true enough, in planning terms the concept has probably been seriously examined since not long after the meson bomb was demonstrated as a feasible technologt. 
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Re: The evacuation of Capella
Quote from: Battle of the Wilderness(sm2-01.fs2)
Allied scientists studying the portal remain optimistic about the potential for this technology. In five to ten years, we might be able to restore contact with Earth or create new jump nodes to unexplored regions of the galaxy. For this reason, the portal must remain open for as long as possible.

Command has issued a standing order to destroy the device should a full-scale invasion be imminent.

Quote from: A Flaming Sword(sm2-10.fs2)
A small task force will oversee the demolition of the Knossos while the bulk of the allied fleet blockades the jump node leading to the densely-populated Capella system. Command has begun the process of evacuating the two hundred fifty million civilians inhabiting Capella, the largest exodus since the Great War. The Colossus will remain in that system to engage the Sathanas should we fail.

 

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Re: The evacuation of Capella
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What you are asking is in essence one of the central ethical questions: If you have to chose one life or another, how do you prioritize. It is a subject of much debate through the ages.

My personal stance on the subject, as you will see, is to apply the ethical framework that is most practical for the situation at hand. In this chase is a modified ulilterian approach (basically, which serves the most for largest quantety of moral patients under consideration). It's most practical-rating is established by the implied urgency of the situation (you can't take forever to decide) and due to fact that it is question that rates the survival of the moral patients higher than the following status of the moral agents (meaning, issues affecting those who act according to the system, like desensiblisation, are rendered mute by a higher value).



1.1 Suggesting five Phases

First you have to imagine that the evacuation of Capella probaly had multiple stages rather than being an uniform process. However this relies heavily on conjecture as to how the GTVA public was informed about the progress of the Nebula campaign; canon material only gives us the military briefings on the situation which vary in tone from full on probaganda (Return to Babel) and factual description of situation (Exodus).

When the official evacuation was first called the first Sathanas en route to Capella (and it was safe to assume that a shivan fleet was following it considering the Shivan activity in Nebula rose continously during the FS2 campaign) but the GTVA had a fair number of plans in motion to stop the Sathanas and they (reasonably) assumed that one of them would work in stopping the current threat posed by the Sathanas.

After the Sathanas' destruction the evacuation was not canceled as the Shivan threat persited and the best plan they had to end it had already failed (blowing up the Knossos and sealing the node to the Nebula); mark that down as the second phase.

A third phase could be set at the time when it was obvious to the military that the Sathanas was not a unique ship but that there was a fleet headed for GTVA space. A fourth and last phase can be assumed to have begun when the Sathanas fleet became common knowledge; though this one might not a phase on its if the information about the Shivan fleet coming to Capella was fully disclosed to the public at all times (whetever or not that is plusible is up to anyone; I personally doubt that the "progress" of the Nebula was at all times known to the public - preventing a panic among the people would be a good motive to hide that you are losing).

There could also have been a migration of certain groups in the Capellan population prior to the official evacuation. The threat of the Shivans might have been enough to already scare people into leaving before the GTVA saw it fit to take action. Take this as the zero'th phase of the evacuation.


1.2 Dynamics of each Phase

Having established that I would assume that dynamics of the evacuation would vary between these phases, including who ordered they were:

During the zero'th phase, it would have been people leaving who could safely leave their livelihood or their appointed positions. However their number might have been very low, depending on the number of avalible ships (which would have been the lowest of all phases due to the lack of government support) and range of people who actucally could leave without problems.

During the first phase, the GTVA may have encouraged people to stay on instead of rushing to the ships, saving up space in the ships to conform with the GTVA's priorities on who goes first and who goes last. Since it was reasonably safe to assume that the threat could be halted, there also would have been the assumption that the evacuees might return safely after the fighting was done.

Changing to the second phase, the GTVA may have dropped the pretence that it would be safe to return someday, but would have done so quitely as not to instigate a panic.

During the thrid phase, the incentives for the people to stay might have been dropped, it order to get everyone ready to leave but preventing widespread panic again.

Entering the fourth phase one can assume that the GTVA might be losing control on the selection of the evacuees here as there is no proactive stance against a panic is remaing. Rodo's approach might be in full effect here.


2. Applied Criteria during GTVA oversight

As for the priorities of the evacuation, they would only be in effect during the first, second and thrid phase, the zero'th phase being not a government encourage effort and the beginning of the fourth phase marking the loss of government oversight.

As for the pattern who to select to go first and who had to stay, I'd suggest a simple set of hard criteria:

a) Is the person essential to the operations of the military against the Shivans?
b) Is the person essential to the coordination of the evacuation effort?
c) Is the person essential to the logistics of the evacuation effort?
d) Has the person skills that can benefit any of the above?

Yes on any of these and you have to stay. No to all of these and you can go. Exceptions only, when the skill would be also put to good use at the destination of the evacuation, e.g. medical personell.

Than add a set of soft criteria which once you are on the "you go"-list prioritize your place there. While the hard criteria cater to the neccessities of the evacuation, the soft criteria are more open to ethical debate - going against the hard criteria means risking everyone, where as going against the soft criteria means upseting someone. The soft criteria also should be less hierarchical and be equally contributing factors to a weighted judgement. Some soft criteria might also be withdrawn if a certain quota was met (see. 3)

1) Age - the lower the better.
1a) Legal caretaker for (or if that is more your falvour:Parent of) a group or an underage child, already on a transport.
2) Health status.
3) Skills and aptitudes that serve at the evacuation destination.

1) and 1a) form the traditional "Women and children fist"-paradime which I think does not need an explaination.

2) is a matter to debate to some degree. Do we evacuate the sick and infirm first or last? Do we evacuate patients with contagious diseases last or not at all?

3) Is a matter to serve the needs at the destination, e.g. shipping out the doctors last might be detremental to evacuation effort as it would allow health problems to occur unchecked. One might object that such personell would be provided as part of the evacuation effort at the destination. This criteria might also be one subject to a quota of its own and eliminated as soon as the quota was met.

Adding other soft criteria might be appropriate depending on the additons to the ethical framework and its priorities that are applied, but IMO those three do cover it.
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Something like that yeah. I would guess they would have an extensive bookish manual on these kinds of operations, especially since the Great War.

 

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I would guess they would have an extensive bookish manual on these kinds of operations, especially since the Great War.

RL evacuation plans (like building evacuation plans) aren't usually extensive... they boil down to:

1) Determining who is in charge at what point/in which case.
2 to n) Suggestions what to do in case A/B/C ... Z/Y/X.
2a) Please note, this is what the people coming to help you think, you will be doing.

They don't replace the judgement of the person(s) who is in charge. There are often be guildelines to infrom judgement but it doesn't replace judgement.
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Building evacuation plans are not the same as whole regions, cities, countries "evacuation plans". The latter involves the military and if any current country would find such a problem possible, like the GTVA does since the Great War, then you can be assured that there would be extensive manuals depicting precisely what must happen at every level of hierarchy, who's in charge, what protocols to use, etc.,etc.

 

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I'd expect children and pregnant women would be priority evacuees.
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 I'd expect they would just get whoever gets their ass to the transports first. An armada of more than 80 Juggernauts + myriads of support craft invading my home is not something that encourages me to think rationally and pick between that dude over there that has legit passports or this woman here with some picture of her grandma on her documents. + They started evac as soon as the first Jug made it to "Armada's Coming," The GTVA probably has some clause which allows them to take over private stuff to haul people out in case Shivans.

 

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An armada of more than 80 Juggernauts + myriads of support craft invading my home is not something that encourages me to think rationally

This is the point of having a manual the size of a bible in these situations. It's not supposed for anyone dealing with the evacuation to lose any second in "thinking" what is the best "rational" approach to any given situations. The thought is already made previously for you, you only have to follow the protocols according to your predefined role. Once the Security Council (or whatever) decides to evacuate Capella, everyone gets the manual in front of their eyes and act immediately. Decisions will encompass only those situations that are extremely contingent, exceptional, unaddressed in their "bibles".

  

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Re: The evacuation of Capella
Quote from: A Flaming Sword(sm2-10.fs2)
A small task force will oversee the demolition of the Knossos while the bulk of the allied fleet blockades the jump node leading to the densely-populated Capella system. Command has begun the process of evacuating the two hundred fifty million civilians inhabiting Capella, the largest exodus since the Great War. The Colossus will remain in that system to engage the Sathanas should we fail.


The interesting part of that for me is "Since the Great War". I wonder what they were talking about, specifically, that moved 250 million people around? Other than the (presumed) evacuation of Vasuda Prime, I can't think of any known event that would have required that kind of movement.
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Re: The evacuation of Capella
Presumably a fair amount happened off screen. I imagine the GTA fleet all by itself encompassed several million people with the number of destroyers we see in game (plus, assuming the marine numbers in the first mission of FS2 are correct, imagine the marines.) An evacuation of civillian mobile space-born assets plus fleet migration would probably account for a lot of such numbers.