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Offline Sandwich

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Crazy Weather & Stuff - video compilation
Disclaimer: The video is from a Christian perspective in that there are a couple of verses referenced throughout the 15 minutes runtime, but by and large the video is composed of news audio/video footage.


I had no idea we had such insane weather worldwide last month. Was anyone around here affected?
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 
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no i think its not real you can make this with pinnecale

 

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Downrep for posting a video with Glenn Beck talking in it, Sandwich :P
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Downrep for posting a video with Glenn Beck talking in it, Sandwich :P

Last time I really watched US TV was in the 80's so pardon my ignorance at posting a video that has someone apparently controversial in it. :p
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"...The quintessential quality of our age is that of dreams coming true. Just think of it. For centuries we have dreamt of flying; recently we made that come true: we have always hankered for speed; now we have speeds greater than we can stand: we wanted to speak to far parts of the Earth; we can: we wanted to explore the sea bottom; we have: and so  on, and so on: and, too, we wanted the power to smash our enemies utterly; we have it. If we had truly wanted peace, we should have had that as well. But true peace has never been one of the genuine dreams - we have got little further than preaching against war in order to appease our consciences. The truly wishful dreams, the many-minded dreams are now irresistible - they become facts." - 'The Outward Urge' by John Wyndham

"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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Ok children, enough whining about Glen Beck. The point was the weather events in the video. Discuss that.
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"...The quintessential quality of our age is that of dreams coming true. Just think of it. For centuries we have dreamt of flying; recently we made that come true: we have always hankered for speed; now we have speeds greater than we can stand: we wanted to speak to far parts of the Earth; we can: we wanted to explore the sea bottom; we have: and so  on, and so on: and, too, we wanted the power to smash our enemies utterly; we have it. If we had truly wanted peace, we should have had that as well. But true peace has never been one of the genuine dreams - we have got little further than preaching against war in order to appease our consciences. The truly wishful dreams, the many-minded dreams are now irresistible - they become facts." - 'The Outward Urge' by John Wyndham

"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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Yeah, there's been a fair amount of interesting weather events lately, many of which are actually interrelated by the jet stream.  Sometimes the waves in the jet grow very large and get stuck in place for an extended period of time, and so different areas will be under a particular weather pattern for a lot longer than usual.  This is when you typically see these record heat waves, droughts and flooding events happening around the same time.
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It's clearly the end times.

Either that or just the usual thing that Earth does every month.

You pick.

 

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Actually, it’s neither.   We are living in a new climate regime, and the frequency and severity of extreme weather events is not the same as it used to be.  But this does not logically equate to an ‘End Times!’ scenario.  Climate change is a very serious issue, but it is most assuredly not going to destroy civilization.  So the reality is somewhere between the two options you listed.

The level of knowledge on extreme weather, its causes, trends, and predictions for the future, has advanced remarkably since the last time you and I had this discussion.  If you want I’ll be happy to go into more details and link to relevant journal articles and reports, but I would first consider this page to be required reading.
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Re: Crazy Weather & Stuff - video compilation
sidenote: Weather is an inherently chaotic system that is the result of certain variables. Some of these variables are known as "Climate".
Weather forecasters enter these variables into their computers, and run a simulation a few hundred times. The most likely result will then be picked from the outcomes.
As a result, a weather forecast can never be entirely accurate (after two weeks, there is simply too much randomness, even with 100% accurate models and 100% accurate data). In the same vein, if there is a 80% chance of fair weather and 20% chance for a major storm, the fair weather is forecasted.

As a result, you can never fully predict how climate effects will affect the weather. However, you can use detailed weather data to discern the climate.
And the climate has been changing a lot lately. More then what has been predicted if only natural forcings are taken into account.

  

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Weather is the atmospheric conditions at the present moment.  Climate is the average of those conditions over a particular time interval, usually taken to be 30 years.  Put another way, the classic description is 'weather is what you get, climate is what you expect'.

So with weather forecasting, what they do is take in as much data as possible from all around the world -- via official weather stations, satellites, radiosonde, etc -- and compile them all into a snapshot of the whole atmosphere at a specific instant in time.  Then this initial condition is fed into computer models with the general equations of atmospheric motions and sunlight/land/ocean/ice interactions and whatnot, and then the simulation runs.  Of course there isn't just one model (there are many), and for some applications they are run multiple times with the initial conditions slightly changed to get an ensemble forecast.  You see this a lot with hurricane forecasting in particular.

And yeah, when it comes to weather it really is that "a butterfly flaps its wings" kind of chaos. :)  For this reason model skill falls dramatically after a week, and at 2 weeks is effectively useless for anything other than the largest synoptic scale atmospheric motions.
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its not that the weather is getting worse its that more people carry cameras.
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Offline watsisname

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Incorrect.

For storms (hurricanes, tornadoes) it is less clear because of insufficient quality/history of data, but for other extremes, such as heavy precipitation events, daily highs/lows, heat waves, droughts, etc there are trends that are not simply due to observational bias.
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For storms it's not about "insufficient quality/history of data". That's bollocks, we do have good data on this, and the conclusions are just unalarming. For the other stuff, the data is equal in terms of quality, but one can arrive at more alarming conclusions, so the caveats are not added. The kind of statistical shenanigan that really pisses me off to no end. Anyways, anything written by Stefan Rahmstorf I just can't bare.

For these kinds of shenanigans, I always point to this useful Bull**** button.

 

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We do not have a homogenous record of tropical cyclones, let alone tornadoes, due to changes in observational capabilities.

Models predict an increase in the average intensity of cyclones, but whether such a trend is apparent in the data is not agreed upon.

For tornadoes such trends are even less clear and to my knowledge there is not a very strong theoretical/modelling framework for how they will be affected by a warming world, either.

This however does not hold true for other weather variables, such as temperatures, droughts, and heavy precipitation events.  There is wide consensus that these are changing in frequency/intensity due to global warming and we even have a good handle on the underlying mechanisms.  The SREX report that your link mentions discusses these:

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It is very likely that there has been an overall decrease in the number of cold days and nights, and an overall increase in the number of warm days and nights, at the global scale, that is, for most land areas with sufficient data. It is likely that these changes have also occurred at the continental scale in North America, Europe, and Australia. There is medium confidence in a warming trend in daily temperature extremes in much of Asia.  Confidence in observed trends in daily temperature extremes in Africa and South America generally varies from low to medium depending on the region. In many (but not all) regions over the globe with sufficient data, there is medium confidence that the length or number of warm spells or heat waves as increased.

There have been statistically significant trends in the number of heavy precipitation events in some regions. It is likely that more of these regions have experienced increases than decreases, although there are strong regional and subregional variations in these trends.

There is low confidence in any observed long-term (i.e., 40 years or more) increases in tropical cyclone activity (i.e. intensity, frequency, duration), after accounting for past changes in observing capabilities.

It is likely that there has been a poleward shift in the main Northern and Southern Hemisphere extratropical storm tracks.

There is low confidence in observed trends in small spatial-scale phenomena such as tornadoes and hail because of data inhomogeneities and inadequacies in monitoring systems.

There is medium confidence that some regions of the world have experience more intense and longer droughts, in particular in southern Europe and West Africa, but in some regions droughts have become less frequent, less intense, or shorter, for example, in central North America and northwestern Australia.

Once again I can go over specific journal articles on each of these topics with you, but I'm wondering if there's any point if you are predisposed to pathologically dismissing it.  It's extremely fascinating to me that you did so to a peer-reviewed article in Nature, instead linking to a "Bull**** Button" blog which cites an IPCC synthesis report that says pretty much exactly what I and Stefan were saying to begin with.  Furthermore it seems like it's attacking a wholly different argument entirely -- that trends in disaster losses are purely due to climate change, which is an argument that nobody here is making.  So quite frankly I have no idea what you're calling bull**** on.

Did you take the time to read my first link?
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Offline Luis Dias

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It's not fascinating at all. I did not disagree with its findings, I disagreed with the tone and editorializing of it. I thought I was writing clearly, but I guess not.

 

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You've made yourself more clear now I think, thanks.
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