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The court was correct (not guilty).
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He should have been convicted of murder.
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He should have been convicted of manslaughter.
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Offline Klaustrophobia

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this shouldn't have even gone to trial.  the police weren't even going to charge him until the media picked it up and tried to make a race war out of it.  and then the president all but calls him guilty on national tv...

there ought to be some slander/defamation lawsuits coming down the pipes.
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Offline Luis Dias

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In all fairness the "self defense" bit is a little weird, considering the other guy didn't have any weapon with him, that it was Zimmerman who chased him, etc., etc.

The only thing that makes me think the judging was alright is because of the really good idea of declaring someone innocent till proven guilty.

 

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Zimmerman didn't chase him, he approached him and asked him what we was doing. This is not a question to which I would respond with vulgarity and a physical assault. This is a rather clear-cut case of self defense. There's no indication that he did anything that warranted a violent response. While I'd probably have waited for police in this case, I can easily see myself doing exactly what Zimmerman did in a situation like this. Nothing racist about it, and I believe that if Martin was white, it wouldn't have changed a thing (well, aside from the idiotic media reaction).

 

Offline Luis Dias

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You assume he told the truth to the police. I do not assume such a thing. AFAIK, he did chase him despite being told by the police to stay put. I have no idea who was aggressive and to whom. And I do not think anyone but those two really know (knew) what happened in truth. It is this simple fact that makes me say the ruling was fine. We simply have no sufficient evidence to put Zimmermann in jail, despite all the suspicion one can have against him.

 

Offline Klaustrophobia

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contrary to what many major news networks reported, zimmerman DID show signs of heavy abuse that were consistent with his story to police.  there is no evidence to contradict his story, and at least some to corroborate it.
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I think you have some pretty hefty spin in your description of what happened.
Kind of what happens when get your 'news' from MMO-Champion and GameFAQs.

sorry are you actually trying to imply that anyone who disagrees with you is getting their information from game forums?

have fun growing up, hopefully you simply have to live with the lingering embarassment of... this instead of turning into andrew schlafly

No, I am saying that I get my information from game forums. Or rather, that's where I first hear about them (I don't watch TV).

I have edited my opening post and tried to paint a less biased picture of how the media handled the events.

 

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Plenty of people talk about it.

Because it's on the media, therefore people must care, right? You're bad at this.
I overheard two of my co-workers talking about it on my lunch break. They were frustrated that Obama didn't step in and overrule the court (what the hell?), and apparently one of their kids is going to a pro-Trayvon protest.

I also discussed it with one of my co-workers, who is actually intelligent. He provided some interesting input on the case, being an African American gun owner who supports stand-your-ground laws. After much discussion, he told me he believes that Zimmerman racial profiled (black teenager wearing a hoody at night) Martin, either consciously or unconsciously, but that he didn't mean to kill him. He believes that Zimmerman should have been charged with manslaughter though, since he followed Trayvon first.

 

Offline Apollo

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Here's a little reading material on the media's treatment of Zimmerman
I generally agree with that article's narrative, although "white Hispanic" is a racial group--many people from Latin America are descendants of Spaniards or other white Europeans.
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It's worth remembering that Trayvon, if he noticed he was being followed and now confronted by some guy who was following him, may have had just as much cause to fear for his life.

Was there enough evidence to charge Zimmerman with murder? No. Was it his actions that caused the incident? Absolutely.
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It's worth remembering that Trayvon, if he noticed he was being followed and now confronted by some guy who was following him, may have had just as much cause to fear for his life.

Was there enough evidence to charge Zimmerman with murder? No. Was it his actions that caused the incident? Absolutely.
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Offline NGTM-1R

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It seems like a lot of us give a ****, including you, who bothered to post in this thread. Did you just latch onto that one sentence and ignore the part of his post that was valid?

There was no part of that post that was valid or anything less than flamemongering in the first degree, I simply chose the best illustration of that fact.

I overheard two of my co-workers talking about it on my lunch break.

Truly, this represents the American people!

It's a manufactroversy and it didn't take for most people. You want to talk about big deals in racially motivated court proceedings, OJ Simpson's trial was a big deal. Elián González was a big deal. Rodney King's beating was a big deal. This is not a big deal.

he told me he believes that Zimmerman racial profiled (black teenager wearing a hoody at night) Martin, either consciously or unconsciously, but that he didn't mean to kill him.

I should note that this is actually a point in Zimmerman's defense when it comes to the matter of whether he acted in self defense, as self defense is about whether the person acting believes they are in danger and this would cause him to believe Martin was a danger.

In all fairness the "self defense" bit is a little weird

There are pictures you can find fairly easily of Zimmerman in the immediate aftermath of the incident while he's sitting on the back end of an ambulance talking to the cops and bleeding from a broken nose. There's physical evidence that Martin did attack him, it's not just his word. (Or you believe Zimmerman somehow broke his own nose to make his story work, which turns the whole thing into a Law & Order episode.)
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Offline Luis Dias

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I overheard two of my co-workers talking about it on my lunch break.

Truly, this represents the American people!


So where is your data coming from? Your own coworkers?

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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So where is your data coming from? Your own coworkers?

Bothering to actually look at the newspapers, the world of the blog, and even news coverage of the matter on the networks. (Which use it as filler because nothing's happening; meanwhile, print media offers minor obligatory coverage because everyone else is but never treated it with much seriousness, and most people who are able to form coherent arguments in the blogosphere offered one-and-done opinions.) And actually remembering what a big thing looks like. (Again, King, OJ, González.)
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it's really a pity battuta's on sabbatical, this sort of situation is pretty much what he researches
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this is why we need to legalize murder.
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Offline Veers

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I'm sitting here in Aus listening to some of this, have not got wind of it much other than a not guilty verdict and some images and video of rioting and cars on fire. And our own anti-gun groups rattling the cage a bit.

I found this video which attempted to explain the case and verdict a little bit, whether it has it's own spin or not is up to you to decide. I'm more or less happy that it appears to focus more on the facts and actions rather than a usual spin of 'Zimmerman is white, racist' or 'Martin is black, obviously a criminal' and the usual media rubbish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gf39_rBRXQA

How bad has these riots and such been anyway?, somewhat serious in areas or is it blown-out of proportion?
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I overheard two of my co-workers talking about it on my lunch break.

Truly, this represents the American people!


So where is your data coming from? Your own coworkers?

lolno. You just wanted to get that out there though, didn't you? Pretty feisty, I see, always looking to start trouble. Are you George Zimmerman?

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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How bad has these riots and such been anyway?

Important enough for CNN to not mention them on the front page of their website. (I've not seen any news outlet here mention actual riots.)
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