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Offline InsaneBaron

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Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
Hello Inferno!

I'm hoping to play the much-anticipated Inferno Nostos. The release date, as given in the winter announcement, was Summer 2013. What I'm wondering: Is Nostos still planned for release this summer? Discussion on it seems to have faded out in May, roughly.

I very much want to try Inferno's massive style, but if Nostos is coming I'm more likely to wait for it than play INFR1.
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Offline Woomeister

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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
Still going to try for a summer release but can't 100% guarantee it at this point.
We suffered a few major delays and problems that are still ongoing.

The Diablos complete with its new turret setup so the mid point of the campaign can be finalised now. The Sol Gate is being worked on now as this one is causing major delays to finishing off the gate mission arc, then it's the Bastion and our mystery EA model for the finale.

The errors to the other ships needed for this released are more or less fixed now, including a full returret of the GTVA and EA entire fleets to fix turret UV corruption.

There's a few other models that require new HTL versions but we'll launch without those and use the current variants as it's minor assets but ones that will take a long time to produce (Arcas and extensions)

 

Offline NeonShivan

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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
So you're saying that the Ishtar (Sol Gate) has you caught up?
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Offline Woomeister

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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
No, it's one of a few factors. I'm just bringing that one up as it has quite a few design differences which have to be incorporated into the actual sol gate capture mission. We also had a mission event that wasn't working right in the sol gate capture mission that could cause the mission to break if certain events happened which we have to fix before launch.

In case people are wondering the original planned date was July 16th, the same day that R1 was released on 10 years ago, but we knew in advance that we wouldn't be able to keep that date.

We're still trying for a summer release but I don't want to rush it out without proper testing and quality control, so if it takes a bit longer then it will.

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
:yes: good luck chaps!

 

Offline InsaneBaron

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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
Ok, I see. Thanks!
If it gets completed it time, I can promise you an enjoyable review of it, at least. Good luck!
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Offline NeonShivan

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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
I wish you luck in your bug fixing.
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Offline CT27

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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
Thanks for the update, I'm really looking forward to this. :)

 

Offline Woomeister

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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
The original R1 Sol gate capture mission had 43 events. The current wip one has 77, so the missions are much more complex than the originals.

 

Offline Jellyfish

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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
Is it because of some SCP then vs. SCP now thing, or the mission is really longer?
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Offline Woomeister

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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
The missions are more complex and some are a lot longer than R1s variants.

 

Offline Arpit

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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
May the force be with you.  :)

 

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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
Is it because of some SCP then vs. SCP now thing, or the mission is really longer?
Wasn't the original Inferno for retail?
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Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
Nope, retail didn't have enough available ship slots. Hence, Inferno builds.
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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
Nope, retail didn't have enough available ship slots. Hence, Inferno builds.
Oh, duh. Now I just feel like an idiot.
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<MageKing17> "There's probably a reason the code is the way it is" is a very dangerous line of thought. :P
<MageKing17> Because the "reason" often turns out to be "nobody noticed it was wrong".
(the very next day)
<MageKing17> this ****ing code did it to me again
<MageKing17> "That doesn't really make sense to me, but I'll assume it was being done for a reason."
<MageKing17> **** ME
<MageKing17> THE REASON IS PEOPLE ARE STUPID
<MageKing17> ESPECIALLY ME

<MageKing17> God damn, I do not understand how this is breaking.
<MageKing17> Everything points to "this should work fine", and yet it's clearly not working.
<MjnMixael> 2 hours later... "God damn, how did this ever work at all?!"
(...)
<MageKing17> so
<MageKing17> more than two hours
<MageKing17> but once again we have reached the inevitable conclusion
<MageKing17> How did this code ever work in the first place!?

<@The_E> Welcome to OpenGL, where standards compliance is optional, and error reporting inconsistent

<MageKing17> It was all working perfectly until I actually tried it on an actual mission.

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<MageKing17> TIL the entire homing code is held up by shoestrings and duct tape, basically.

 

Offline Trivial Psychic

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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
Actually, I'm pretty sure the original Inferno release was retail-compatible, as there was an FSO upgrade package with glowmaps.  IIRC, the Inferno-builds of FSO were required if you wanted to add in extra ships such as the Ancients and were probably there to leave extra headroom for the Nightmares (or whatever the super-secret race was that was intended for later introduction).  There was later an FSO countability patch to bring Inferno up to the newest FSO standards and include a few ship upgrades and supplements, but that was years ago.
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Offline Arpit

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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
Actually, I'm pretty sure the original Inferno release was retail-compatible, as there was an FSO upgrade package with glowmaps.  IIRC, the Inferno-builds of FSO were required if you wanted to add in extra ships such as the Ancients and were probably there to leave extra headroom for the Nightmares (or whatever the super-secret race was that was intended for later introduction).  There was later an FSO countability patch to bring Inferno up to the newest FSO standards and include a few ship upgrades and supplements, but that was years ago.

Inferno was retail compatible. I am pretty sure about that. Also the Ancient ships were present, just their species was defined as Vasudan and Terran, Vasudan and EA ships were defined by Terran. Also the number of ship classes in Inferno did not break the max limit of the retail engine.

 

Offline Woomeister

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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
Inferno builds were to be required from R2 onwards as we added more ships and broke the FS2 retail ship limit, which R1 is under.
Species support allowed us to make the Ancients and EA their own factions and Ancient support is included by default now even with no Ancients ships being released.

The SCP patch was needed to allow R1 to actually work due to it triggering 80+ debug warnings from slightly off table errors which retail would ignore but the more strict debugger of FSO wouldn't. Basic glowmaps were added (no normals as the patch pre dates that feature) and a few test ideas for R2 (partially baked tiled ships, a couple of new classes)

 

Offline NeonShivan

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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
Question, will the SF Danta and SF Naga be in the second release? If not, what happened to them?
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Re: Inferno Nostos: Still coming?
Actually, I'm pretty sure the original Inferno release was retail-compatible, as there was an FSO upgrade package with glowmaps.  IIRC, the Inferno-builds of FSO were required if you wanted to add in extra ships such as the Ancients and were probably there to leave extra headroom for the Nightmares (or whatever the super-secret race was that was intended for later introduction).  There was later an FSO countability patch to bring Inferno up to the newest FSO standards and include a few ship upgrades and supplements, but that was years ago.

Inferno was retail compatible. I am pretty sure about that. Also the Ancient ships were present, just their species was defined as Vasudan and Terran, Vasudan and EA ships were defined by Terran. Also the number of ship classes in Inferno did not break the max limit of the retail engine.

It have to be, because Inferno was released in 2001... years before the SCP existed. I think it was the only Total Conversion right next to The Babylon Project 1.0 and 2.0 that was created on retail.


As i remember correct, Inferno R1 had a hell lot of deactivated (and sometimes incomplete) objects in the mod files, that were only avaiable after ShadowGorraths unofficial Inferno R1 patch, that was released in 2005, as far as i remember, you needed an Inferno build to play it with this patch... but i am not sure it was because of the numerous reactivated ships and installations or because of some SCP features which were included.
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