Either engage with them and accept the inevitable consequences
They're not inevitable. These people can and should be changed because discussion with with them inevitably becomes disruptive, and that is a problem with
them, not with the people who discuss with them, not with the discussion. (I can't believe I'm explaining this again, after having to do so about Trashman.) You have the power to do something, to make GenDisc less of a mess. You have been strongly urged to do something. The last thread was all about a consensus to do something.
We've done all we can by reporting and trying to educate the people in question. There is more to be done, but
you have to do it. If you don't want to do something about it, just say so. (You will lose your right to complain, of course, when threads go off-course because other people do something when you do not wish to.)
And don't complain we're trying to do what we are able to do by talking to these people and trying to convince them why they're causing trouble, which is a cycle we've gone through with Lorric
three times at minimum. Okay, maybe you don't want to do anything, it'd be nice if you'd say that already, but don't ***** at us for trying all the methods of recourse we have from explanation to the offender to reporting the posts when it seems like nobody on the moderation side gives a damn and takes no public action while the problem just goes on and on. Nobody is
acting to fix it that MP-Ryan or redsniper or Starslayer can tell (to take the latest Nakura thread as an example), so you expect the average user, with years invested here and quite liking the place, not to take some action on their own to try and explain what's going on and why it's bad when they see something bad happen and nobody does something about it.
If you want threads to stop derailing, stop leaving them to derail. If you want users to stop taking action themselves because the moderation doesn't seem to be doing so, take action and do so visibly. We are here because the moderation is not taking action or not doing so in a way the average user can detect. This is a problem of your making.
Don't talk to me about hypocrisy.