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Offline starbug

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Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
Yeah the Time lords drew first blood in Genesis of the Daleks in the Time War, then things really started to get going in when the Daleks invaded Gallifrey in the audio adventure the Apocalypse Element, with the 6 doctor. These are now considered cannon according to Russel T Davis
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Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
If the Master can get new regenerations over the years, I'm certain they'll think up a way for the Doctor to do it too.
The regeneration limit was solely a social limit imposed by the Time Lords; now that the Doctor's the only one left, all the Doctor has to do is... decide not to apply it. Gee, that was hard.

I'm just really pissed off about Moffat.
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<MageKing17> "There's probably a reason the code is the way it is" is a very dangerous line of thought. :P
<MageKing17> Because the "reason" often turns out to be "nobody noticed it was wrong".
(the very next day)
<MageKing17> this ****ing code did it to me again
<MageKing17> "That doesn't really make sense to me, but I'll assume it was being done for a reason."
<MageKing17> **** ME
<MageKing17> THE REASON IS PEOPLE ARE STUPID
<MageKing17> ESPECIALLY ME

<MageKing17> God damn, I do not understand how this is breaking.
<MageKing17> Everything points to "this should work fine", and yet it's clearly not working.
<MjnMixael> 2 hours later... "God damn, how did this ever work at all?!"
(...)
<MageKing17> so
<MageKing17> more than two hours
<MageKing17> but once again we have reached the inevitable conclusion
<MageKing17> How did this code ever work in the first place!?

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Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
Why does everyone dislike moffat? imo his writing has been the lion's share of better episodes

 

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Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
Moffat is great with one-shots and two-parters.

Given the reins for the whole season, he quickly tries to out-clever himself.

  

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Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
Why does everyone dislike moffat? imo his writing has been the lion's share of better episodes
Because words come out of his mouth.
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<MageKing17> "There's probably a reason the code is the way it is" is a very dangerous line of thought. :P
<MageKing17> Because the "reason" often turns out to be "nobody noticed it was wrong".
(the very next day)
<MageKing17> this ****ing code did it to me again
<MageKing17> "That doesn't really make sense to me, but I'll assume it was being done for a reason."
<MageKing17> **** ME
<MageKing17> THE REASON IS PEOPLE ARE STUPID
<MageKing17> ESPECIALLY ME

<MageKing17> God damn, I do not understand how this is breaking.
<MageKing17> Everything points to "this should work fine", and yet it's clearly not working.
<MjnMixael> 2 hours later... "God damn, how did this ever work at all?!"
(...)
<MageKing17> so
<MageKing17> more than two hours
<MageKing17> but once again we have reached the inevitable conclusion
<MageKing17> How did this code ever work in the first place!?

<@The_E> Welcome to OpenGL, where standards compliance is optional, and error reporting inconsistent

<MageKing17> It was all working perfectly until I actually tried it on an actual mission.

<IronWorks> I am useful for FSO stuff again. This is a red-letter day!
* z64555 erases "Thursday" and rewrites it in red ink

<MageKing17> TIL the entire homing code is held up by shoestrings and duct tape, basically.

 

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Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
Cause he made a joke? Or cause he didn't have a female doctor?
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Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
Because his apparent insistence that the Doctor has to be a male is ... baffling, to say the least.

(Of course, I would like to see him leave Who and hand over the reigns to someone else for different reasons as well, his plots are kinda getting stale)
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Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
Because his apparent insistence that the Doctor has to be a male is ... baffling, to say the least.

Sound like people are reading way too much into a joke. Especially since Moffat has said that he's happy to do a female doctor when the time is right.
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Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
still don't get this insistence that keeping the doctor male constitutes bigotry
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Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
It doesn't. A selective reading of certain quotes does help to establish that image though.

For the record: His justification, "That not enough people wanted it", is imho bull****. Following that kind of logic led Gene Roddenberry to scrap the female first officer in the original Star Trek, I am of the opinion that it's better to be bold and just do it instead of waiting for some poll or focus group to tell you that it's the right idea.
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Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
i'm no fan of moffat (or his track record with female characters) but to be fair i'm sure a lot of those comments were made as a result of people pressuring him for a justification for not having a female doctor, when he shouldn't need one at all
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Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
a female doctor would be interesting, especially if she ran into river song again  ;7

now i must wait for rule 35 to run its course.  :nod:
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Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
i'm no fan of moffat (or his track record with female characters) but to be fair i'm sure a lot of those comments were made as a result of people pressuring him for a justification for not having a female doctor, when he shouldn't need one at all

I suspect that's exactly what is going on. It's not like there hasn't been a concious effort to occasionally mention the Doctor isn't heterosexual. It strikes me as very strange that people are so quick to say "Oh, Moffat doesn't want to cast a woman." or "He doesn't want to try something new with the Doctor" when they've already broken a far bigger taboo.

Moffat actually clearly stated that Peter Capaldi came to mind last time round but he thought the time wasn't right for him to be the Doctor, so he cast Matt Smith instead. Is it that hard to believe that he simply cast him now because whatever he felt didn't fit the first time round has now been dealt with?
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Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
No, but honestly? For a series that has a character as mercurial as the Doctor starring in it, it has been pretty stagnant these past few years. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who would have liked a bit of a shake-up here, and while Capaldi may be great in the role, he won't offer the opportunity to show something from the Doctor we have never seen before.

Might be that that's just Moffat fatigue speaking, or the rather big disappointment of that last season.
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Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
I think if Moffat can't do anything interesting with an actor as experienced and flexible as Capaldi, then having a female Doctor would be a fleeting gimmick without any real weight to it.
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Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
Why was I under the impression that Time Lord sex is fixed, while physical species traits are not?  I thought there was canonical justification for no female Doctor (not due to sexuality, but rather physical sex).
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Why would you want a female Doctor anyway? I don't see what merit it would have over a male Doctor, but I do see a big potential backlash. It's not as if Doctor Who is a sausage-fest. You get the Doctor and a female companion, who is just as important and prominent as the Doctor, and it works.

 

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Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
Why was I under the impression that Time Lord sex is fixed, while physical species traits are not?  I thought there was canonical justification for no female Doctor (not due to sexuality, but rather physical sex).

"Three eyes, no eyes, no head..." or something to that effect (I'm pretty sure about the no head thing) during a new Who regen scene. That suggests an awful lot of flexibility.
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Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
Why was I under the impression that Time Lord sex is fixed, while physical species traits are not?  I thought there was canonical justification for no female Doctor (not due to sexuality, but rather physical sex).

The... Corsair? gets mentioned as having a female regeneration in The Doctor's Wife.  Either The Corsair of The Rani, don't remember which.

 
Re: Oh god the 12th doctor hatred has already started!
Why was I under the impression that Time Lord sex is fixed, while physical species traits are not?  I thought there was canonical justification for no female Doctor (not due to sexuality, but rather physical sex).

"Three eyes, no eyes, no head..." or something to that effect (I'm pretty sure about the no head thing) during a new Who regen scene. That suggests an awful lot of flexibility.

And, just like the idea of Time Lords being able to regenerate as a different gender, this has never actually been shown with any appearance of one: all of them have been human, and all the ones we've seen multiple regenerations of have kept their gender. It's Doctor Who for god's sake, your fatal flaw was treating series continuity like it mattered.
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