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Offline FlamingCobra

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Schools now monitoring what students say and do on social networks
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130902/13154624384/ca-school-district-announces-its-doing-round-the-clock-monitoring-its-13000-students-social-media-activities.shtml
So apparently what kids say and do outside of school is no longer their "private life".

I guess the one good thing about this is that kids growing up under this system will be fully prepared for their adult life where everything they say and do is monitored by the NSA!

 

Offline Lorric

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Re: Schools now monitoring what students say and do on social networks
Unless they can see PMs, I see no problem with this. That information has been made public to the whole World. They can look at it if they want.

And there it is:

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If you would like to ensure content that you post through a social media platform or profile is not monitored by Geo Listening, you should ensure that your social media posts are non-public. Geo Listening only collects publicly available information. Therefore, if a social media platform includes settings that allow you to designate your posts as private, doing so will ensure your posts will not be collected.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2013, 12:59:45 pm by Lorric »

 

Offline An4ximandros

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Re: Schools now monitoring what students say and do on social networks
In today's world, nothing is private unless you become a netless hermit. All of your thoughts are out in the open for people to find and (mis)interpret, (mis)judge and exploit. Welcome to the future. Welcome to Hell.

 

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Re: Schools now monitoring what students say and do on social networks
So schools don't teach anymore, they spy? Where are you headed, world?
Whether these information are public or not, why is school gathering them? This is the case. Its not what its for.
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Offline Dragon

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Re: Schools now monitoring what students say and do on social networks
The information is already public. I don't think this system will really help anything, though. Maybe it's different in US, but around here, the majority of conversations on Facebook are done through PMs. It probably would catch some minor stuff, but I'd say it's somewhat of a waste of money.

 
Re: Schools now monitoring what students say and do on social networks
wait, this is news? this has been going on for years
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Re: Schools now monitoring what students say and do on social networks
wait, this is news? this has been going on for years

indeed
schools, employers, the government, (even the department for work and pensions in the uk) all monitor social networking and have done for years with public knowledge.  no new news here
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Re: Schools now monitoring what students say and do on social networks
I can see this going really badly for the school somehow. Not sure how, but I have a pretty good feeling it will.

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Offline Mort

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Re: Schools now monitoring what students say and do on social networks
So just make everything private. A good way to weed out idiots

 

Offline MP-Ryan

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Re: Schools now monitoring what students say and do on social networks
Kids need to learn that:
1. Anything put publicly on the Internet is for all intents and purposes permanent, and
2.  Anything not explicitly made secure and private online is the equivalent of going to the busiest corner on the busiest street of the largest city in your country and shouting it repeatedly to everyone that goes by for an infinite period of time.

I for one think it's great that schools are teaching those lessons to their students, even if it isn't intentional.  The number of kids who treat their facebook accounts as a private space is insane.
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The number of kids who treat their facebook accounts as a private space is insane.

Which is exactly why you've gotta keep your murdering thoughts to forums under an alias that you totally don't use anywhere but the forums!

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Offline Flak

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Re: Schools now monitoring what students say and do on social networks
I am glad I am don't live in the US. That makes me even more paranoid.

 

Offline BloodEagle

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Re: Schools now monitoring what students say and do on social networks
I would be incredibly surprised if this wasn't a worldwide practice.

 

Offline docfu

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I'm waiting to find out the NSA has a worldwide collection of fingerprints from people using the new iphone...

 

Offline Dragon

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Re: Schools now monitoring what students say and do on social networks
Really, I don't see what the people are getting worked up about. It's basically "schools will now officially pay somebody to surf Facebook". There's no spying going on there, just reading the site. That info could be checked by anyone with internet access, be it an American government employee, a bored teenager in Greece or a random office drone in Poland (considering everything, those people probably spend most of their time on FB anyway). In short, anyone who uses Facebook and can speak English. I don't think most kids will invite their school employee to friends, either, so the data gathered will probably be only what the rest of the world can see. So I don't see a problem here. It's like publishing a newspaper article for physicists, then complaining non-physicists are also reading it.

 

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Re: Schools now monitoring what students say and do on social networks
Except that's not exactly what is happening.

While I do absolutely agree that schools need to teach the topic of privacy and how to keep it, I am pretty sure that things that students do after hours are none of the schools' business.
See, the thing is, this kind of monitoring will inevitably lead to some kid somewhere suffering consequences for his or her words online far in excess of what is warranted.

From the article, it says their remit is to "provide Glendale school officials with a daily report that categorizes posts by their frequency and how they relate to cyber-bullying, harm, hate, despair, substance abuse, vandalism and truancy. "
How long do you guess does it take for someone to use this monitoring system to subvert it so that some innocent third party is harassed by these watchdogs (and school officials!)?

I can see the intent behind these efforts, but remember what they say about the path to hell. A system like this is far too easy to subvert and to circumvent, and thus far too prone for false results to be any good at what it does. We've already had instances where schools that issued Laptops to their students installed spyware from hell on the machines (including keyloggers and the ability to remote-control cameras); while the system under discussion here may seem more benign, it does represent an inacceptible assumption of responsibility on the part of the school. There needs to be a sharp boundary between areas where the school has responsibility, and where the parents do.
If the school wishes to monitor how its on-site equipment is used, and prohibit certain usages, that's their right. But as soon as it intrudes into areas where students should have a reasonable expectation of privacy, it's time to back the **** off.
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Re: Schools now monitoring what students say and do on social networks
Since when is school/employer/whatever supposed to track you on the internet? Yes, they will find only the things you let them, but how does this change how ****ed up this scheme is? When you go shopping it's also public isn't it? School is for teaching, not gathering "intelligence".

Also, pretty much what The_E said.
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The thing is, this isn't new.  This kind of stuff has been happening since well before cell phones were invented.

It will simply be more efficient and impersonal, now.  Oh, and managed by ex-cons.  :D

  

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Re: Schools now monitoring what students say and do on social networks
I am pretty sure that things that students do after hours are none of the schools' business.

You're - unfortunately - pretty wrong.

There is more and more policy and legal recognition now that bullying extends well beyond school as well, and schools are increasingly under a microscope for how they respond to behaviours outside of school that may continue at school.  A number of high-profile suicides in the US and Canada in particular are perpetuating this.

Society - and parents who don't adequately supervise and/or discipline their children - have made student behaviour outside of school the schools' business.
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Re: Schools now monitoring what students say and do on social networks
That effectively completely takes away several constitutional rights of minors, does it not?