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Offline karajorma

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Why Android isn't really Open Source
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/googles-iron-grip-on-android-controlling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/

I thought this was a very interesting article. And a great example of how we're all setting ourselves up for another Microsoft.
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Re: Why Android isn't really Open Source
I've been saying this for years only to have fandroids "school" me otherwise. Sigh.

 

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Re: Why Android isn't really Open Source
Of course the irony is that Samsung, et al are busy making their own programs rather than simply clubbing together and making something that frees them from Google.
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The only "real" hope is cyanogen, however I have little.

And don't get me wrong, I ain't no "iFan". My phone is a samsung.

 

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Re: Why Android isn't really Open Source
The only "real" hope is cyanogen, however I have little.
Not the only one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla

 

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Re: Why Android isn't really Open Source
I assume he means real hope for Android. There are plenty of other phone companies out there who don't want to use Android.
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Re: Why Android isn't really Open Source
Good read.

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Re: Why Android isn't really Open Source
The only "real" hope is cyanogen, however I have little.
Not the only one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla

You should have said "No, there is another".

 
Re: Why Android isn't really Open Source
Still can't be worse than anything CrApple ever does...
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Re: Why Android isn't really Open Source
I keep getting the impression that Google is shaping up to become Apple rev. 2.0

 

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Re: Why Android isn't really Open Source
ive decided long ago to only use linux on arm devices. why phones arent shipping with debian is beyond me. as much as i hate it, id rather use linux than any of these tap screen oses.
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Re: Why Android isn't really Open Source
so, the OS is open source, but the apps are not, therefore it's basically apple?

no.

no, you still have quite a bit of freedom on android, you can install apps you want irregardless of what anyone else says, you can (gasp) write your own apps, you can load and unload media, it's almost as if the phone was not treating you like some sort of criminal. now Google has fallen quite a way from where it was under Eric Schmidt in the 'not evil' department, and I honestly AM disappointed in them over the very subject being discussed hert, but saying Google's bad while Apple is still around and swimming Scrooge McDuck style in oceans of money is like talking smack about Indonesia for not being a bastion of human rights when a chasm has oped up releasing the hoards of Mordor upon the lands of man. all this says to me is more effort should be made to make a truly open source android distribution, but I think things are not in too bad a shape on the software front, the biggest problem I have is in the hardware front, getting custom software onto a device is far far too difficult and intentionally encumbered. This is not Google's fault, unless you want to say they have not been draconian enough in there licensing to require open hardware..
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Re: Why Android isn't really Open Source
Maybe you missed the bit about how if a phone company decides to make a phone that doesn't use Google's version of the OS they're kicked out forever. So yeah, you can do all that stuff without Google's permission but that's just because Google think it will make them more money to have you do that.

I think the problem is that while Apple are far worse now, Google are positioning themselves for even worse abuses of power later. When Apple are stupidly draconian, you have a choice, don't buy an Apple. There's very little on iOS which you can't find for another platform. But if Google start being draconian then we have a much bigger problem because they have a big enough market share to do what Microsoft did and say "We'll support Apple (Cause they're too big to ignore), **** everyone else."

And once they do that, owning a smartphone is going to be a lot less fun for all of us, even those of us using Android.


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I did that on purpose BTW ;)
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That's even worse!  :ick:

 

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What I like about Apple and dislike about Google is real simple. The first never lied. They always said they liked it as a closed system, vertical integration all the way, profits to the max, etc. Google is the ****ty here because after promising the land of freedom, of not being "ev1l", embracing the open sourceness of awesome, etc., they actually behave like the ****ty corporation they actually are and adopt practices to ensure everyone in the hardware market is subdued to Google's way OR ELSE. They want to have the cake and eat it too. They want to be reckoned as the lovers of freedom and open source while behaving in the exact opposite direction.

And there are a lot of people who are willing to eat this pile of **** as "true". At least iFans aren't this deluded: they know what Apple is. They just happen to like the way they do things.

 

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Re: Why Android isn't really Open Source
Basically what Luis Dias said.

The main issue (at least to me) here isn't that they are starting to close source a bunch of stuff or that they are forcing manufacturers to not produce devices that use an android fork. It's the fact that they do so while maintaining their smug, holier-than-thou attitude, putting down other companies while proclaiming "lol, we love open source and an open internet!", essentially doing the opposite of what they claim.
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ubuntu != debian
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