[quadinhonic_II]

Back when I was on the VBB I started a thread called "Crew sizes" In it was the crew sizes of GTVA cap ships. I did have a copy long before the VBB closed but I can't find it anywhere.

Does anyone have a copy?

I need this info for my campagin.

[Redfang]

Official [V] info, they weren't.
 
That doesn't mean they're wrong information... but actually it's not been told anywhere so I don't think even knows...
 
Copy I haven't got, sadly.

[Skippy]

Neither me

[TheCelestialOne]

They should've made a Homeworld like book with FS...

[quadinhonic_II]

Originally posted by TheCelestialOne
They should've made a Homeworld like book with FS...

I think the reason why Fs2 doesnt have a book like HW is because FS has the Tech Database. If you recall HW does not have any tech database thing at all, thats why they have a book with the ship data in it.

[Kazashi]

I don't have a copy here, but there are a couple of people who say they have archived the VBB - it might come up in a search since it was mentioned in here. I wasn't able to find anything at archive.org either, their saved records only go up to mid-2001. But you could look there if you could think of ways to refine the search.

I can vaguely remember some non-canon values, such as 125 in Charybdis and 250 in Fenris (don't take my word for it) and a few are mentioned in the games themselves e.g 10,000 in Hecates and 8,000-10,000 in Orions. In the event you can't find a copy of that thread, there's nothing to stop a new discussion about crew sizes, unless fanwanking is forbidden on HLP.

[CP5670]

I remember that thread; it had some very useful information, but if necessary, I think we can build up the list again here. I need to go now but I will post the information I have collected in a little bit (the original post I made on that other thread) and we can then start editing that.

[quadinhonic_II]

Originally posted by Kazashi
I don't have a copy here, but there are a couple of people who say they have archived the VBB - it might come up in a search since it was mentioned in here. I wasn't able to find anything at archive.org either, their saved records only go up to mid-2001. But you could look there if you could think of ways to refine the search.

I can vaguely remember some non-canon values, such as 125 in Charybdis and 250 in Fenris (don't take my word for it) and a few are mentioned in the games themselves e.g 10,000 in Hecates and 8,000-10,000 in Orions. In the event you can't find a copy of that thread, there's nothing to stop a new discussion about crew sizes, unless fanwanking is forbidden on HLP.

I went to that archive.org

I found thishttp://web.archive.org/web/20011006033522/vbb.volition-inc.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=FreeSpace+2+(and+Freespace)&number=1&DaysPrune=10&LastLogin=

Your right only to the early months of 2001.

Never thought I see the old BB again. Not like I miss it or anything, well I miss the Fred forum.

I guess we can rebuild the list. This time we have some different people that can contribute.

I'll start with this, (opens Fred)

Fenris: 250
Leviathon: 250
Orion: 8,000
Arcadia:?
Eylsium:?
Argo:?
Colossus: 30,000 *not sure on this one. Haven't played the main campagin in ages*
Hecate: 10,000
Diemos: 800
Aeolus:?
Triton:?
Charybdis:?
Hippocrates:?
Zephyrus:?
Posiden:?
Ganymede:?
Aten:?
Mentu:?
Typhon:?
Hatshepsut: 8,000
Setekh:?
Isis:?
Anuket:?
Satis:?
*forgot the rest of the Vasudan freighters. I think theres 2-3 more*

Those are the ones I sorta remember. If anyone see's something they dont feel is right, tell us.

I want to have it go the same way as it did on the VBB (for those who remember)

[aldo_14]

Orion  = 10,000 (SM1-10 - "Don't be absurd Koth! You are sacrificing 10 thousand lives for nothing")



IIRc, the Colossus holds 30,000..... I can't remeber where it's mentioned (if so), though.

[karajorma]

When they all die. Petrach says that 30,000 died on the colossus. I think it's mentioned in other places too.

[Shiva Archon]

In the debriefing for the 4th mission in the main campaign, it says 6000 were killed aboard the GVCv Dahshor if it is destroyed.  I'd assume there'd be a similar crew compliment on the Deimos-class.

[Redfang]

I don't anyone has archived the whole VBB, so I guess list must be rebuilt...
 

Originally posted by karajorma
When they all die. Petrach says that 30,000 died on the colossus. I think it's mentioned in other places too.

 
In the Colossus cutscene, I think, and could be in tech room too, though I don't think so.

[Kazashi]

The Colossus had a crew complement of 30,000 as mentioned by the Admiral, and in a couple of other places. So you can consider that figure canonical.

In the case of the Orion complement, the Repulse is mentioned as having a crew of 10,000. However I seem to remember somewhere else a figure of 8,000 being mentioned - whether it was in FS1 or FS2 and exactly where, I have no idea as yet. But I'll keep my eyes open. But even in this case, I don't see anything stopping an Orion from carrying 2,000 extra people, especially if it were a flagship, and especially it were carrying rescued crews from previously destroyed NTF ships. Just a thought or two to throw around

[CP5670]

Some estimates: (updated list)

GTT Elysium: 60
GVT Isis: 30
GTT Argo: 550
GTFr Poseidon: 20
GTFr Triton: 40
GVFr Ma'at: 40
GVFr Bes: 30
GVFr Satis: 80
GTG Zephyrus: 60
GVG Anuket: 60
GTM Hippocrates: 1500
GTA Charybdis: 120
GVA Setekh: 120
GTC Fenris: 250
GTC Leviathan: 250
GTC Aeolus: 200
GVC Aten: 200
GVC Mentu: 300
GTCv Deimos: 2000
GVCv Sobek: 2000
GTD Orion: 10000
GTD Hecate: 10000
GVD Typhon: 10000
GVD Hatshepsut: 10000
GTI Arcadia: 30000
GTI Ganymede: 5000
GTVA Colossus: 30000

[Blue Lion]

Personally I think some of those are very high....50 for a Posiedon? Outside maybe two pilots, a gunner, and maybe an engineering crew.....you wouldnt need that many crew members.

The capital ships I can see having thousands, but things like freighters and transports wouldn't need that many crew members.  Those men could be much better used as pilots and such. My opinion anyways

[karajorma]

In sci-fi frieghters are generally run with small crews (I can`t think of many with a crew of more than 20). In the case of the elysium and the argo the figures are even more silly. Those crew members could be replaced with marines making it even easier to take over enemy ships so why have so many people on board?

[Hippo]

in loop1-2, if the Sumpters pilot is "one of us", and there is more than 2 gunners and 3-4 crew, is there any chance that the gunners and crew couldn't re-take-command of the argo? the gunners could simply shoot the sumpter... so thre has to be a small amount...

[CP5670]

I'm just estimating the maximum possible capacity (not standard capacity) based on the proportional volume to the destroyers. (which is known)

[quadinhonic_II]

For the transports, be sure to include passenger space as well as crew space. In the list I think we should have something like this:

ex.

Argo: C20 P85  

C=Crew total
P=Maxium passenger capascity.

On some of those other warships (Diemos, Sobek Levi, Hecate ,Typhon) you have to take in account the

equipment

compter\AI systems

living quarters

power systems

cargo\supplies

hallways

fighterbay

All these things take up of space on a warship.

[Black Wolf]

You know what else'd take up a hell of a lot of space? Water. Even with purifying systems, they'd need at least supplies for a day or two while the rest of the water was being purified. Now how much does a human need to drink per day? Plus washing, cooking, bathing - times 10 000 on a destoryer? That's a lot of water.