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Offline Luis Dias

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meh idk. I just have this biased distaste for seeing humans going all-out morally outraged at what superior species are doing.

This is why for all these beings, I dislike Q the least. Think about it for a second. What kind of a civilized human, if not under some contrivance or with some contingent problem, is going to be eaten by a (say) Lion? No way. We know what to do with Lions. We encage them or nurture them and decide exactly where and how they might live. There's no further reason to engage with them, taunt them, etc. How will this civilized human being ever be in contact with this creature? Only if he is a jackass and decides to play with it, taunt it, engage in some barbaric hunting just for the fun of it (and subsequent family photo), etc.

This is how Q appears to the federation. You never know how much he is playing or being serious, and when he's serious he's deadly. However, you never get the notion that he's not doing it for fun. The major mistake the writers did was to mistake this behavior with humans (which was absolutely proper) with his general characterization, and then make a caricature of him. Voyager was just gross in this.

  

Offline Goober5000

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I just don't think it was particularly deep to be honest though. B5 was deep. Everything you thought the war was about was completely turned on its head in season 4 when you realise you're not watching the simple good vs evil story you'd be led to believe all along.
Fine, you like B5 better than DS9; we've established that already. :p

DS9 has twists like that though.  The "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" two-parter is one of them.  "In the Pale Moonlight" is another.

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Sisko's confrontation with the wormhole aliens is to be honest rather predictable, the comment about him being part prophet actually makes that less interesting than if he was just a man doing it. I was left wondering why he hadn't simply asked them months or years ago.
Well, first, because the Dominion War hadn't started by that point, obviously.  Second, because the relationship hadn't progressed to that level yet.

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And unlike Sisko he walks in willing to die for his cause if that's what will tip the balance (and damn near does).
Wrong again.  Sisko makes it very clear during the confrontation that he's willing to die to protect the Alpha Quadrant, regardless of whether the wormhole aliens do or don't do.

 

Offline Ulala

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The ending to DS9 wasn't great, but I didn't think it was **** either. Plus, the journey getting there was very enjoyable.
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Offline AdmiralRalwood

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DS9 has twists like that though.  The "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" two-parter is one of them.  "In the Pale Moonlight" is another.
"In the Pale Moonlight" is the greatest Star Trek episode of all time. Of all time.
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(the very next day)
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<MageKing17> "That doesn't really make sense to me, but I'll assume it was being done for a reason."
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<MageKing17> THE REASON IS PEOPLE ARE STUPID
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(...)
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<MageKing17> but once again we have reached the inevitable conclusion
<MageKing17> How did this code ever work in the first place!?

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Offline cahdoge

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I have a little problem:



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