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Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
Microsoft stoppoed updating Windows XP. It's been pre-advertised, so everyone knew about it beforehand.

In my case, changing the operating system would mean buying a new computer, and it's outside my financial possibilities.

Am I under threat (and to what extent) if I'm very careful in my Internet browsing and I don't open emails/files coming from unknown sources? I've had Internet for possibly more than a decade, and I've never gotten a virus and I've never been hacked anywhere.
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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
You're probably Ok, for the most part. Your browser and antimalware package should be able to fend off most attacks, the actual danger period for you starts when Browser and antimalware vendors stop supporting XP.
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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
Staying on XP might not be immediately catastrophic but it's going to become more and more untenable as the system becomes ever more abandoned and exploit-ridden. If you really can't upgrade to a newer Windows, consider a lightweight Linux.
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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
You could probably spin up a virtual machine to be your internet facing buffer.  If something happens to the VM you just burn it and restore the last version.
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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
If he can't upgrade on his machine he's not going to be able to run a VM.
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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
I think Virtual Box and VMware Workstation had versions that ran on XP.  Though CPU usually needs to support virtualization and execute disable bit.
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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
Microsoft stoppoed updating Windows XP. It's been pre-advertised, so everyone knew about it beforehand.

In my case, changing the operating system would mean buying a new computer, and it's outside my financial possibilities.

Am I under threat (and to what extent) if I'm very careful in my Internet browsing and I don't open emails/files coming from unknown sources? I've had Internet for possibly more than a decade, and I've never gotten a virus and I've never been hacked anywhere.
That you know of. We're not in the 90's any more, when a virus would usually announce its presence to brag. We're also not in the 2000's, where it'd immediately try to mail itself to everyone in your address book.
Of course, unless you're a nuclear weapons researcher, you're probably not going to be worth a zero-day, even for XP, so anti virus and a firewall will protect you from a large percentage of threats. Do you feel secure yet?

More things to consider:
a) XP was not designed with security in mind. What little security it has is bolted on patchwork. Any new attack technique will go right through.
b) You're probably going to use Java/Flash/a browser/etc. When they stop shipping security patches for the XP version, those programs are wide open
c) You might hope XP stops being a target as its market share drops, but as long as embedded XP is in use everywhere, it will remain a lucrative target.

Really, I wouldn't recommend running XP on anything connected to the network, except as a honeypot.
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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
I would strongly recommend dual-booting Linux and XP if you need to run applications that require Windows, then use XP as little as possible. If you don't have such applications, then why bother staying with XP? Just move entirely to Linux if that's the case.

  

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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
Staying on XP might not be immediately catastrophic but it's going to become more and more untenable as the system becomes ever more abandoned and exploit-ridden. If you really can't upgrade to a newer Windows, consider a lightweight Linux.

reactos seems to be pushing for a stable 0.4 release, at which point it will become usable by the masses, rather than just a few nerds with ancient hardware. since its pretty much going to be an open source windows xp, i think a lot of xp users will be switching to reactos as soon as that goes live. you might get some linux users out of the death of xp, but reactos seem to be poised to grab up xp's old market share.
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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
I don't think many will be switching to Reactos for security reasons. I'm not really familiar with Reactos, but since they try to supply a system compatible with pre-vista windows, I suspect the insecure architectural design is going to be a problem.

 

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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
it will be a case of security through obscurity, at least initially. the os is open source so it will be possible to address security holes as they show themselves, much the way its done in linux. rather than waiting days/weeks/months/years/eternity for a hotfix from ms.

i also have a feeling that the system will be different enough that it would be difficult for exploits designed for xp/vista/7/8 to work on reactos. i have a feeling they will be addressing the flaws in xp in their system design.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2014, 03:55:36 pm by Nuke »
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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
The vast majority of people still using XP are going to be using it for reasons that make it very unlikely they will even begin to know what reactos is.

 

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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
I realize I'm probably under some level of threat, but I've pretty much resigned myself to that, because upgrading isn't an option unless the Windows Fairy drops a spare 7 key in my lap.  I am vaguely interested in ReactOS if they ever get a beyond-alpha release out the door, but after the massive headache that Ubuntu gave me the sole time I attempted it, I'm not going back there (plus I have way too much Windows-only stuff).  Basically I'm going to get everything important backed up to my external, so that if I do get nailed with something nasty, I can just wipe without too much pain.

(Of course external threats may not be my biggest concern: see WHIYL.)

 

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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
Try Linux mint, spin up a VM and try it, you have nothing to lose but some of your time.
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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
Try Linux mint, spin up a VM and try it, you have nothing to lose but several days of your time.

fixed that for you. i cant count the times things which would have been simple tasks on windows have taken me days to get working on linux systems. linux users are all masochists (sometimes you get a wizzard, but i hate to think of what they had to do to get to that point).
« Last Edit: April 09, 2014, 04:52:13 pm by Nuke »
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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
Try Linux mint, spin up a VM and try it, you have nothing to lose but several days of your time.

fixed that for you. i cant count the times things which would have been simple tasks on windows have taken me days to get working on linux systems. linux users are all masochists (sometimes you get a wizzard, but i hate to think of what they had to do to get to that point).

Good luck, have fun!




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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
I think my main problem with Ubuntu was that my box has a Radeon HD4670, which because AMD is dicks is already on the "legacy driver" path.  I had a hell of a time getting the official AMD-provided Linux driver to work right, and for whatever reason I had absolutely no luck with the open-source version.  In the end I'm not even sure if I ever managed to get it acknowledged correctly, because just the basic Unity desktop was running ridiculously slowly when compared to a normal Windows install.  I was just trying it out in an attempt to get a Linux promo item in Team Fortress 2, so after I got the game to load and grabbed the item, I gave up and uninstalled.

 

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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
Try Linux mint, spin up a VM and try it, you have nothing to lose but several days of your time.

fixed that for you. i cant count the times things which would have been simple tasks on windows have taken me days to get working on linux systems. linux users are all masochists (sometimes you get a wizzard, but i hate to think of what they had to do to get to that point).

Good luck, have fun!




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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
Try Linux mint, spin up a VM and try it, you have nothing to lose but several days of your time.

fixed that for you. i cant count the times things which would have been simple tasks on windows have taken me days to get working on linux systems. linux users are all masochists (sometimes you get a wizzard, but i hate to think of what they had to do to get to that point).

Good luck, have fun!




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i think you may be exaggerating about the fun. every linux experience ive had has been horrible, and ive even had a few classes on linux. ive had the desire to learn linux, the need to use linux for a couple of things, but ive never enjoyed one second of it.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2014, 08:35:38 pm by Nuke »
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Re: Are careful Windows XP users actually under threat?
i think you may be exaggerating about the fun. every linux experience ive had has been horrible, and ive even had a few classes on linux. ive had the desire nay even the need to use linux, but ive never enjoyed one second of it.

weird, that's how I feel about windows.