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Offline Dragon

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If the NSA was out to make an AI they wouldn't be posting openly-available work orders about it. I'll quote the Stratfor Glossary's entry on the NSA:
Probably so, but that doesn't mean they couldn't use something like this. Note, Secret Service officially commissioned the system, but that doesn't mean other agencies won't get it. I imagine that NSA (if they know what's good for them) would be very interested in this given recent developments, but I can see uses for CIA and even FBI as well. TSA, on the other hand, has little reason for something like this - their job is, apparently, wealth redistribution (they redistribute valuable items from wealthy passengers to poor TSA agents) and emission control (they reduce number of polluting aircraft by reducing demand for air travel). :) And given intelligence they've shown, somehow I doubt in their ability to even use internet (though the smartest ones might account for some of the 4chan trolls). 

 
Re: US Secret Service commissions strong AI, Skynet imminent
i don't even know why the TSA is relevant beyond your desire to shoehorn in as many attempted jokes about them as possible
The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell.

 

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This quote:
, they want to lock up anybody who makes the TSA look bad (and similar).
And I like making fun of them. :)
Still, the main point still stands. Secret Service is not an intelligence agency, IIRC, their main duty is to bodyguard the President. I don't think they run their own data-mining operation just to detect potential plots against the President. It's highly likely that even if they do end up using this system for something, an organization like the NSA or the CIA would have much bigger need for an AI like this.

 
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But if they wanted such an AI, and it was possible to make one, they'd have one. And we wouldn't know a thing about it. So much like the TSA I don't understand why you keep bringing this up.
The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell.

 

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But if they wanted such an AI, and it was possible to make one, they'd have one.
Yes. But it, currently, is not possible to make one. Indeed, this effort, if undertaken seriously, will involve some of the greatest minds on this planet and some of the most amazing developments in the field of AI. I just don't see this being anything but a money sink otherwise. Mind you, they're looking to making something which is better than humans in recognizing emotions and context behind an internet text. The last time you could conceal such an effort from public eyes was the Cold War. Therefore, it makes sense for a relatively inconspicuous (and a fairly well-regarded one) government agency to commission such a project, and have others (that actually need it) get it later, in a discreet manner.

  

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Idk, maybe we are overestimating the technical difficulty of this. How often, when you see something you think is serious (but it turns out was sarcasm) do you actually go to the trouble of looking up that person's posting history?

 

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You don't need to "look up" anything if you're a forum member for long enough to recognize sarcasm. And if you're new, you either wait for the others to reply, or act like a noob and reply having no idea if the post is sarcasm or not, and then are promptly corrected, maybe with an image of Picard facepalming. :) Needless to say, not a viable option for a filtering program. Also, this assumes the person in question is any good at internet sarcasm. If they're not, and the claim isn't too extreme, you need to start assuming. My approach to extreme, but ambiguous claims, stupidity and so on, is to always laugh them off, on a basis that if it's a joke, we're meant to laugh, and if it's not, then laughing at the claim is one of the better insults you can use. Especially that doing it the other way (taking everything seriously), the covering behind the flimsy "Poe's law" if you're off mark results in coming off as dour and probably insulting intelligent, but more humorous people as a side effect. Unfortunately, the government will be looking precisely for such extreme claims, so "laugh it off" default behavior isn't a good idea, either.

Now, here comes the hard part: you can tell if someone is sarcastic/joking or not by checking how other people reply. Easy for a human, mind(CPU?)-boggingly difficult for a computer of any kind. You need to catch context of the discussion, the person's feeling on the subject, essentially comprehend the entire conversation. Needless to say, if a computer does that, it'll have the right (and probably capability) to call itself an AI.