[karajorma]

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/17/youtube-indie-labels-music-subscription

Independent artists could disappear from YouTube "in a matter of days" after the Google video service confirmed it was dropping content from independent labels that have not signed up for its upcoming subscription music service.

YouTube is about to begin testing the new service – which will charge people to watch and listen to music without ads, and download songs to their mobile devices – within the next few days, initially within Google.

The company's head of content and business operations, Robert Kyncl, told the Financial Times that the service – previously rumoured to be called YouTube Music Pass – will launch more widely later in the year.

His confirmation that YouTube will block videos from labels that do not sign licensing deals for the new premium tier will be hugely controversial among indie labels, with trade body WIN already filing a complaint to the European Commission about its negotiating strategy.

"While we wish that we had 100% success rate, we understand that is not likely an achievable goal and therefore it is our responsibility to our users and the industry to launch the enhanced music experience," said Kyncl, claiming that YouTube has signed up labels representing 90% of the music industry.

Independent labels are likely to disagree. Their licensing agency Merlin estimates that indies collectively account for a 32.6% market share of the recorded music industry's sales and streams.

Contacted by The Guardian following his comments, WIN's chief executive Alison Wenham was blunt in her response. "They have suffered a simple but catastrophic error of judgement in misreading the market," said Wenham, who had organised a press conference earlier in the month to protest at YouTube's plans.

Wenham said YouTube was "setting itself up for failure" and only a small number of independent labels would agree to its terms.

"We have tried and will continue to try to help YouTube understand just how important independent music is to any streaming service and why it should be valued accordingly. Music fans want a service that offers the complete range of music available. This is something that companies such as Spotify and Deezer do, both of whom have excellent relationships with the independent music sector," she said.

WIN claims that the company has signed lucrative licensing deals with major labels Universal, Warner and Sony, while demanding that independent labels sign up to inferior terms or face having their videos blocked from YouTube's free service.

“Our goal is to continue making YouTube an amazing music experience, both as a global platform for fans and artists to connect, and as a revenue source for the music industry,” a Google spokesman said. He said the subscription-based service would bring new revenue streams “in addition to the hundreds of millions of dollars YouTube already generates for them each year. We are excited that hundreds of major and independent labels are already partnering with us.”

Wenham's criticism echoes a claim made at the event by musician Billy Bragg, who said "I don’t know why they’ve opened this hornet’s nest right now, apart from corporate hubris. I don’t think they realise what a stupid thing they’ve done."

Artists including Adele, Arctic Monkeys and Jack White could see their videos taken down. The site has become a key promotional outlet for independent labels of all sizes in recent years.

YouTube attracts more than 1bn monthly viewers, with music one of its biggest categories. Its upcoming premium music subscription tier will compete with Spotify, Deezer and Napster among other services, including Apple-owned Beats Music and Google's own Google Play Music All Access.

Independent labels have long complained that they deserve more respect from digital music services negotiating licensing deals, and set up Merlin to strike deals on their behalf.

The agency has remained silent throughout the recent arguments about YouTube's planned new service, although its chief executive Charles Caldas criticised the company at an industry conference in late April.

Referring to an earlier quote from Bragg suggesting that musicians unhappy about royalties paid by Spotify should be "marching to YouTube central with flaming pitchforks", Caldas said: "I can’t say Billy’s right, but I can say that he’s not wrong."

The move comes as Amazon too has begun to flex its muscles in ways that limit the content its customers can receive. Amazon is delaying shipments and refused pre-orders for some titles from Hachette, publisher of Harry Potter author JK Rowling, and home to David Baldacci, Stephen Colbert, David Foster Wallace and others.

It has also pulled pre-orders for forthcoming Warner Home Video features, including international blockbuster The Lego Movie, 300: Rise of an Empire, Winter’s Tale and Transcendence.

So either you agree to get ****ed over by Google or you can't put up your music videos on there if you're not one of the big name publishers.


And if they succeed with this, I wonder how long it will be before YouTube Cat Video Pass becomes their next plan.

[FrikgFeek]

I guess big companies are starting to think they can act like TV networks now just because they pull similar viewer numbers. What they're forgetting is most of the content that got them where they are was user-created. Being massive dicks to those same users probably isn't the best of ideas. But there's no way that someone in their management is so stupid, my guess is that someone's management term is about to expire and s/he wants to grab as much profit as fast as possible, long term profits be damned.m

[Luis Dias]

"continues to turn..."


lol

[Dragon]

Wouldn't that be pretty much be the end of YouTube? Just what does it mean "dropping contents from independent labels"? Are they going to go around and delete vids from everyone but paying musicians, or what? And what about videos from indie labels that were there, but not uploaded by their authors? Either way, it's no good for anyone. I hope they either come to senses, or someone else starts a competing service without this stupidity.

[Luis Dias]

What about covers, what about independent musicians, what about all the videos with music in them, what about ahem mashups of game soundtracks, what the foooook.

I did contact Dan Wentz for my mashup he not only approved of it, he complimented me on it. Is it now going to shreds because youtube decides to implode itself into the dark ages of the 20th century music industry?

[Akalabeth Angel]

**** google.

[Grizzly]

Perhaps this move only will ensure that more people go to Bandcamp.com (which is a great site if you are an indie artist/listener)

[Dragon]

Well, I'm gonna check it out. I'm a fan of Arany Zoltan, a folk musician from Hungary. He's on YT, of course, but I'm afraid he soon won't be anymore.
Also, what about the oldies? Clancy Brothers, for example, aren't gonna buy this stupid subscription, what with all of them being dead and all... I listen to a lot of music like that, and CDs of them don't even exist in many cases (and the vinyl records from 60s or so are usually collector stuff, rare and expensive. Not to mention I don't have a player).

[karajorma]

I'm a little confused as to whether this means that they will delete any indie tune on Youtube or just the official accounts and not let anyone monetise the unofficial uploads.

Dick move either way really though.

[Colonol Dekker]

When does somebody become an ARTIST?

Will a childrens birthday party vid be pulled because they sing the birthday song in good key?

What if there's a high school band of good calibre?

They are too loose in their terms.

[Kopachris]

When does somebody become an ARTIST?

Will a childrens birthday party vid be pulled because they sing the birthday song in good key?

What if there's a high school band of good calibre?

They are too loose in their terms.

Actually, the "Happy Birthday to you" song is still under copyright and is subject to DMCA takedown just like any other song (and people/organizations have gotten in trouble for unauthorized public performance of it before).

[Colonol Dekker]

 
I pity society.

[Rodo]

I don't really mind youtube content being strictly labeled, as long as I get access to it for free, with or without adds.
Independent creators that upload every piece of **** they want to youtube can gather their **** and flock to any of the other streaming sites.

If anything, this will only bring about the end of popular content in youtube. (I do believe however this will destroy youtube's goals for global conquest)

[Luis Dias]

Independent creators that upload every piece of **** they want to youtube can gather their **** and flock to any of the other streaming sites.

and people wonder why can't we have nice things... just look at this attitude...

[headdie]

I'm a little confused as to whether this means that they will delete any indie tune on Youtube or just the official accounts and not let anyone monetise the unofficial uploads.

Dick move either way really though.

either way google loses out on the potential advertising revenue

[Colonol Dekker]

I never pay attention to the ads.  Did anyone else?

[headdie]

depends on what it's for

also let the ads run on monetised channels I watch frequently such as cynicalbrit

[Colonol Dekker]

ANy Ads I tend to ignore, sespecially on regular channels i watch such as Cynicalbrit. They repeat so often they have the opposite effect and put m eoff a brand.

[headdie]

ANy Ads I tend to ignore, sespecially on regular channels i watch such as Cynicalbrit. They repeat so often they have the opposite effect and put m eoff a brand.

doesn't mean i pay attention to the ad when i let it run lol, in fact 90% of ads i don't pay attention to.  as i say its the odd one or 2

[Colonol Dekker]

ANy Ads I tend to ignore, sespecially on regular channels i watch such as Cynicalbrit. They repeat so often they have the opposite effect and put m eoff a brand.

doesn't mean i pay attention to the ad when i let it run lol, in fact 90% of ads i don't pay attention to.  as i say its the odd one or 2

That's what I said