Poll

What do you think of the Depth-Of-Field effect in the Galatea Mainhall?

Love it. Absolutely necessary for any remake.
It's cool, but I can understand your reasons for removing it.
Snuffulupagus. Whatever you want man.
It's out of place. Keep it if you want, though.
Hate it. Doesn't look right and should be removed.

Author Topic: Galatea Mainhall DOF  (Read 3893 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline mjn.mixael

  • Cutscene Master
  • Moderator
  • 212
  • Anims: 420, Cutscenes: 10, Mainhalls: 7, Logos: 52
    • Steam
    • Twitter
    • Mix-Hai Productions
Galatea Mainhall DOF
Now that we have HD mainhall support, I'm re-rendering my mainhalls in higher resolution. This gives me a chance to fix up things that I didn't want to re-render before.

Now. The retail Galatea mainhall included a slight Depth-Of-Field effect on the barrels near the camera. I'm curious how many of you think it's iconic to the look of that particular mainhall.

I ask because I would like to just not include it anymore. First of all, it's weird. The DoF was difficult to recreate because it needed to blur the foreground but do nothing to anything else. That's a really unusual thing and I'm not sure it could be pulled off with a real camera in the size of space of the Galatea Mainhall. Secondly, when I go widescreen with Galatea, that DoF is going to have to cover everything across the entire bottom of the screen that is as close to those barrels. that means it's going to be much more pronounced. Given that I already think it's an impossible effect outside of a computer, I think it will look even more odd when expanded.
Spoiler:
Lastly, no one even noticed that I didn't blur the handrail in Bastion.. so maybe I shouldn't have even made this poll, leave out the DoF, and move on with my life?
« Last Edit: July 01, 2014, 12:55:56 am by mjn.mixael »
Cutscene Upgrade Project - Mainhall Remakes - MixaelANITools - Between the Ashes - MjnMixael's Render Boutique - Mix-Hai Productions
Youtube Channel - P3D Model Box - Photobucket Albums - Model Releases - Downloads
Between the Ashes is looking for committed testers, PM me for details.
Report MediaVP issues, now on the MediaVP Mantis! Read all about it Here!

 

Offline Mongoose

  • Rikki-Tikki-Tavi
  • Global Moderator
  • 212
  • This brain for rent.
    • Minecraft
    • Steam
    • Something
Re: Galatea Mainhall DOF
I honestly cannot say I ever noticed the effect in the retail image, so I'm completely indifferent if it's removed.

 

Offline Bobboau

  • Just a MODern kinda guy
    Just MODerately cool
    And MODest too
  • 213
Re: Galatea Mainhall DOF
I never noticed it, but I think it sounds like a good idea, but if you don't think it looks good, don't do it.

tl;dr do what you think is best
Bobboau, bringing you products that work... in theory
learn to use PCS
creator of the ProXimus Procedural Texture and Effect Generator
My latest build of PCS2, get it while it's hot!
PCS 2.0.3


DEUTERONOMY 22:11
Thou shalt not wear a garment of diverse sorts, [as] of woollen and linen together

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

  • HLP is my mistress
  • 213
  • Aken Tigh Dekker
    • My old squad sub-domain
Re: Galatea Mainhall DOF
I honestly cannot say I ever noticed the effect in the retail image, so I'm completely indifferent if it's removed.


This.


I can't think of a Lens that would accomodate just the barrels. Maybe a 10mm F1.2 but that would as you say blur the whole thing/plane of view. Maybe a tilt-shift lens?

Anyway, the quoteth stands true. :yes:
« Last Edit: July 01, 2014, 03:30:21 am by Dekker »
Your friendly Orestes tactical controller
GO GO DEKKER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
President of the Scooby Doo Model Appreciation Society
The only good Zod is a dead Zod
NEWGROUNDS COMEDY GOLD, UPDATED DAILY
http://badges.steamprofile.com/profile/default/steam/76561198011784807.png

 

Offline cahdoge

  • 26
  • Is a lubricated bug a butterfly?
Re: Galatea Mainhall DOF
If you leave the effect the look of the mainhll is closer to the one of the original.

There you also have the slight DoF but it isn't that obvious because the resolution of the picture is lower.

And you could add the misty air in corridor to the left.
Understanding do you me?

 

Offline Rodo

  • Custom tittle
  • 212
  • stargazer
    • Minecraft
    • Steam
Re: Galatea Mainhall DOF
I never noticed it myself as well, you may do with it whatever your artist sense tells you :yes:
el hombre vicio...

 

Offline AdmiralRalwood

  • 211
  • The Cthulhu programmer himself!
    • Skype
    • Steam
    • Twitter
Re: Galatea Mainhall DOF
Hah; right now, the poll is a perfect bell curve (1-3-4-3-1).

But yeah, what Mongoose said:
I honestly cannot say I ever noticed the effect in the retail image, so I'm completely indifferent if it's removed.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Codethulhu GitHub wgah'nagl fhtagn.

schrödinbug (noun) - a bug that manifests itself in running software after a programmer notices that the code should never have worked in the first place.

When you gaze long into BMPMAN, BMPMAN also gazes into you.

"I am one of the best FREDders on Earth" -General Battuta

<Aesaar> literary criticism is vladimir putin

<MageKing17> "There's probably a reason the code is the way it is" is a very dangerous line of thought. :P
<MageKing17> Because the "reason" often turns out to be "nobody noticed it was wrong".
(the very next day)
<MageKing17> this ****ing code did it to me again
<MageKing17> "That doesn't really make sense to me, but I'll assume it was being done for a reason."
<MageKing17> **** ME
<MageKing17> THE REASON IS PEOPLE ARE STUPID
<MageKing17> ESPECIALLY ME

<MageKing17> God damn, I do not understand how this is breaking.
<MageKing17> Everything points to "this should work fine", and yet it's clearly not working.
<MjnMixael> 2 hours later... "God damn, how did this ever work at all?!"
(...)
<MageKing17> so
<MageKing17> more than two hours
<MageKing17> but once again we have reached the inevitable conclusion
<MageKing17> How did this code ever work in the first place!?

<@The_E> Welcome to OpenGL, where standards compliance is optional, and error reporting inconsistent

<MageKing17> It was all working perfectly until I actually tried it on an actual mission.

<IronWorks> I am useful for FSO stuff again. This is a red-letter day!
* z64555 erases "Thursday" and rewrites it in red ink

<MageKing17> TIL the entire homing code is held up by shoestrings and duct tape, basically.

 

Offline Kolgena

  • 211
Re: Galatea Mainhall DOF
Mathematically plausible DOF over the entire scene (I dunno where you'd put the focus though) or bust. Probably remove the hacked dof because it'll just look like arbitrary/stupid blurring once the rest of the scene is razor sharp.

 

Offline headdie

  • i don't use punctuation lol
  • 212
  • Lawful Neutral with a Chaotic outook
    • Minecraft
    • Skype
    • Twitter
    • Headdie on Deviant Art
Re: Galatea Mainhall DOF
Rolling with the crowd here cause i never noticed it.

Seriously if it looks right and it looks good then I'm ok with it, if someone does notice then give them a patch with the old mainhall and they can put up with it
Minister of Interstellar Affairs Sol Union - Retired
quote General Battuta - "FRED is canon!"
Contact me at [email protected]
My Release Thread, Old Release Thread, Celestial Objects Thread, My rubbish attempts at art

 

Offline Aardwolf

  • 211
  • Posts: 16,384
    • Minecraft
Re: Galatea Mainhall DOF
So like,

It occurs to me that the reason the DOF doesn't seem to match is because those barrels were added in after the fact. FS1 Alpha had some alpha-specific text written on the floor there that needed to be covered over.

But why did they include the DOF on the barrels? Maybe they had forgotten what render settings they used on the rest of the scene, and needed to fudge it? Idunno.



On topic: yes I had noticed it. Meh.

 

Offline CommanderDJ

  • Software engineer
  • 210
    • Minecraft
Re: Galatea Mainhall DOF
I admit it did look a bit weird when I first saw it, but it didn't bother me overly. I trust your artistic judgment!
[16:57] <CommanderDJ> What prompted the decision to split WiH into acts?
[16:58] <battuta> it was long, we wanted to release something
[16:58] <battuta> it felt good to have a target to hit
[17:00] <RangerKarl> not sure if talking about strike mission, or jerking off
[17:00] <CommanderDJ> WUT
[17:00] <CommanderDJ> hahahahaha
[17:00] <battuta> hahahaha
[17:00] <RangerKarl> same thing really, if you think about it

 

Offline Luis Dias

  • 211
Re: Galatea Mainhall DOF
Yes, you should have skipped the poll and do what you wanted... now you have to take into account other people's opinions!! :D

Honestly, I couldn't agree with you more, that DoF is absolutely abhorrent, only a deep ingrained sense of nostalgia would make anyone vote to keep it, or, alternatively, a ghastly taste. Given how people with such deep sense of nostalgia would always be better served with the original anyway, and how people with a ghastly sense of taste should always be ignored, I'd think the answer is obvious.

 

Offline cahdoge

  • 26
  • Is a lubricated bug a butterfly?
Re: Galatea Mainhall DOF
Good taste makes you lorn.
Understanding do you me?