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Offline Top Gun

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Politics does affect our lives, what we "learn" at school is determened by politicians, how much tax we pay is determined bt politicians etc etc. Believe me, if the SSSCA/CBDTPA passes (very unlikely) then politics would have affected everyones' daily life here.

 

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Wait a minute, hold on here. You're all being ridiculous. Dictatorial coups? Nuclear attacks? These things would, yes, create a direct and personal involvement in politics. Except for one thing: They don't happen. Never will to ANY of you, in any of your lifetimes. The fact that you have access to and money enough to purchase FreeSpace, a computer, internet access, and generally at least one modeling program says that we're all from fairly wealthy countries, where the government is stable and hard rain will fall immediately after hell freezes over. Be realistic- you're acting like little children on an issue that requires you to think seriously- something that politics doesn't really prepare you for. Stop being silly, or post in the sex thread.


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How do you think our couries became wealthy? because of anarchy? why do you think that TODAY politics don't seem to have much impact on our lives? coz people like you thought it was useless, before?
" venom leaves the room, imagining how all those "wealthy" countries would be if there hadn't been for politics in the past. would have been much like his room, actually "
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I think what Styrke is saying isn't that all politics are useless for all people, but that they do have power for some but end up being meaningless for the masses. The only time people seem to take part in political processess is when the status quo is threatened, or must be changed. Look at your own country, venom - 98% turnout against Le Pen, and then a tiny turnout in the voting of people into the assemblies.

But I may be getting towards the problems of current political systems here.

 

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My country isn't a good exemple. After the le pen case, well, they want to change everything, they're thinking over all the laws ( right now they're talking about legal prostitution, if you want to know how far "everything" means ), toying with multiple taxe changes, thinking over the security systems ( better do, Chirac has been almost shot down sunday ). Believe me, right now, politics do have a lot of impact on everybody's life, every day, here. Anyway, I guess the exemple is not relevant coz the situation is unique, that's why I didn't use it.
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When was the last time you went to a war? Actually personally experienced war?


War? The Gulf War, 1991. Rushing into the sealed rooms in the middle of the night, going to school w/ gas masks and injections of whatever that anti-nerve gas was, etc etc.

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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Wait a minute, hold on here. You're all being ridiculous. Dictatorial coups? Nuclear attacks? These things would, yes, create a direct and personal involvement in politics. Except for one thing: They don't happen. Never will to ANY of you, in any of your lifetimes. The fact that you have access to and money enough to purchase FreeSpace, a computer, internet access, and generally at least one modeling program says that we're all from fairly wealthy countries, where the government is stable and hard rain will fall immediately after hell freezes over. Be realistic- you're acting like little children on an issue that requires you to think seriously- something that politics doesn't really prepare you for. Stop being silly, or post in the sex thread.


*Ahem*

If a full-scale war doesn't break out here within the next 10 years (and I'm being generous with that number), I will be very (pleasantly) surprised.
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*Ahem*

If a full-scale war doesn't break out here within the next 10 years (and I'm being generous with that number), I will be very (pleasantly) surprised.


Here? On the BB? :p

Or do you mean in Israel? Which would make more sense. :blah:

 

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Or do you mean in Israel? Which would make more sense. :blah:


:nod:

EDIT: There should be a non-smiling nod... :doubt:
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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her, never mind
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her, never mind


Yeah, I'm sure than sandwich won't mind when he's called to fight on the frontlines of this war and risk death whilst his country is destroyed. :doubt:

 

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her, never mind


Wait a sec! I wanna find out exactly who this "her" is that I'm supposed to ignore... :wtf:

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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

 

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Charo. :D

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All right, so SOME people have a direct involvement in politics- sandwich would be one. An Iraqui activist, a marijuana user here, a black guy in Prince George's County- sometimes politics is important. But for most of the people on this forum, discussing it is like arguing over flood control methods while living on a mountain. Utterly silly and pointless. If Gore got elected, everyone would NOT be dead, in fact your lives would be indistinguishable from what they are now, except you might be railing against the president more or less, which is a direct result of political involvement. But unless you're directly involved in politics as a politician or an oppressed party, it's just a form of vapid entertainment. CNN is only a few shades better than Entertainment Tonight, really. Any revolt, war, etc. that occurred might necesite involvement (and might not- the Afghan war changed almost nothing here, except that your car would get stoned if you didn't have a flag on it, and revolutions are often far less sweeping than the revolutionaries would like to think), but those aren't happening, and none of the threads here in particular are dealing with revolution. Everyone's argung about pointless, inconsequential things like elections or "Democrat or Republican?", or any number of the little "issues" the armchair intellectual debates furiously while those who have to live with the outcome of the political environment live in misery. They don't have an effect on any of us, most people here (and I include myself in much of this) don't know **** about it, and arguing about it changes nothing in the least at any rate. I'm simply pointing out that it's a form of entertainment, and nothing more, so maybe people shouldn't take it so seriously.

 

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Everyone's argung about pointless, inconsequential things like elections or "Democrat or Republican?"...



I can't describe with words how tempting it is to start a new topic called "Democrats vs. Republicans, a.k.a the 'Annoy Stryke 9 Thread'"... :D
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill

  

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Wouldn't work. All political threads of that nature annoy/attract me equally. It's kinda a mix 'cos they're also ideal flamewar ground...

 

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Besides, Bush is a Republican and he has his party's full support.
But I'll shut up because I hate those threads also. Pointlesstisity.
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But pointlesstisity makes the world go 'round!

 

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i reckon, the thing about politics is, you don't notice it because there's no war around. you think its pointless because there's no war around.
if there wasn't politics, there would be war.
kinda like, politics prevents war as well as comes up with all the petty little things.

... does that make sense?
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...How does our bickering about abortion and voting rights for eggnog prevent war? :wtf:

 

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...How does our bickering about abortion and voting rights for eggnog prevent war? :wtf:
It depresses people to the point where no-one wants to rule over the crappy country and thus doesn't bother trying to invade.
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not intra nation. inter nation. which means that among all the animal rights environment trading rights and all that crap there's diplomacy going on that prevents war.
or tries to.
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