[Luis Dias]

Yes, they were disagreeing with each other. That's what happens when you are trying to coordinate stuff. It doesn't even mean that everyone is on board, etc., just that they are at least aware of what others are about to do and so on. I take that your silence about the perfect synchronization on that gamers are dead articles means you agree with me?

I don't deny that people posted articles in a short timeframe. I do deny that it actually means anything or that it chimes in to your statement that "this agenda is the only agenda". Rock Paper Shotgun, for example, did not post such articles, and I am sure there are plenty of other sites that did not do that either. Gamesutra itself posted an article that disagreed with Leigh Alexander's article hours later, too.

They were either ten or fourteen. I can't remember which number was the correct one. Yes, RPS failed to be in that group. So what.

[Grizzly]

I take that your silence about the perfect synchronization on that gamers are dead articles means you agree with me?

No I don't! As it happens it only takes a short time to actually write an article, there is simply no compelling evidence that these articles weren't simply posted in response to eachother. Again: Occam's razor.

Yes, RPS failed to be in that group. So what.

Again, you did make an earlier statement that "This is the only agenda in the media". Lots of outlets don't follow that only agenda. Some outlets posted articles that openly disagreed. Some of these outlets actually posted disagreeing articles whilst they themselves hosted agreeing articles.

That's what happens when you are trying to coordinate stuff.

I would note that you haven't actually posted any evidence of them actually coordinating. Or the actual journos being involved in the group.

[Grizzly]

Please note that I have a tendency to post too early and over-edit. I apologize for the inconvenience.

[Luis Dias]

I am not counting the negation of an ideological agenda as an ideological agenda by itself.

Moreover, the articles I've seen countering that idea were mostly by outside news sites to gaming, like Forbes or Slate. What gamasutra article were you referring to? The only thing I encounter is a blog post from a member of the community, it's not the same thing, but I might have missed it.

Please note that I have a tendency to post too early and over-edit. I apologize for the inconvenience.

Don't worry, I feel your pain all too well!

Look, I have no further evidence. I think the sync counts by itself, the existence of the group adds to it. I am not bothered if you prefer to say it's not sufficient evidence. I think it's a good inference but it's not probably going to stand in a courtroom.


e: also, that Slate piece is still oh so relevant now: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/09/gamergate_explodes_gaming_journalists_declare_the_gamers_are_over_but_they.html

I guess it takes one site to be somewhat far off to see the forest and not be confused by the leaves pattern.

[Grizzly]

I am not counting the negation of an ideological agenda as an ideological agenda by itself.

I am, especially if you talk about a total dominance on the gaming media.

The only thing I encounter is a blog post from a member of the community, it's not the same thing, but I might have missed it.

Is a blog post all that different from an opinion piece? Regardless, RPS (which is the only website I usually read unless they link to other sites) did state they didn't agree with it in their article on the whole debalce.

Look, I have no further evidence. I think the sync counts by itself, the existence of the group adds to it. I am not bothered if you prefer to say it's not sufficient evidence. I think it's a good inference but it's not probably going to stand in a courtroom.

And I think that assuming that there's even a sync is wholly stupid and speaks against Gamergate. I think it's terrible inference, and it is definitely not going to stand in a courtroom. Or in a respected newspaper.

[666maslo666]

https://i.imgur.com/6ssdX8x.jpg

The kind of people that oppose GamerGate.


well not all of them of course, but this along with inflammatory idiotic "gamers are over" articles is indicative of a problem in gaming journalism community, which IMHO is just as valid as mysoginy issues are. Maybe even more, because I am going to judge gaming journalists a lot more harshly than I judge some anonymous trolls from 4chan.

[Luis Dias]

"Not all of them", come on that's idiotic. That is one man that is a moron. If anything, it proves what we already know: many people on the internet are ****ing assholes. I still think the Slate guy is spot on. When someone buys twitch.tv for one billion dollars, we know that proclaiming gamers to be "dead" is asinine, silly to the extreme. These journos ragequit, pure and simple. And what we have now is the ensuing mud.

[Mr. Vega]

"Not all of them", come on that's idiotic. That is one man that is a moron. If anything, it proves what we already know: many people on the internet are ****ing assholes. I still think the Slate guy is spot on. When someone buys twitch.tv for one billion dollars, we know that proclaiming gamers to be "dead" is asinine, silly to the extreme. These journos ragequit, pure and simple. And what we have now is the ensuing mud.

Alexander made it very clear what she meant by 'gamers', no matter how many times you insist otherwise. I'm still waiting for evidence she's tied to a feminist academic agenda that clandestinely spread the idea of the dead 'gamer', rather than it being an idea that arose and spread spontaneously, because it was true.

Also, you like a lot of Gamergaters think that death threats are just trolling and shouldn't be taken very seriously, but y'all fly in to a rage at the possibility that you might have been insulted. Might wanna look in the mirror before accusing others of 'ragequitting'.

Also, Gamasutra and Kotaku traffic hasn't dropped off since this started. Kotaku has blown up in particular, and Gamasutra is pulling in the usual numbers for this time if the year. Gamasutra is primarily a dev site anyway, that's what made the Intel lobbying so ridiculous. So there's another false proclamation.

which IMHO is just as valid as mysoginy issues are.

I'd like a list of gamers who've been driven out of their homes by death threats sent by the media. When you give me that, then you can claim it's as big a problem.

[Mr. Vega]

We're also just going to pretend that gamergate isn't scaring female developers away from the field, which it is.

[Mr. Vega]

Someone this despicable is despicable enough to make it all up.

[Luis Dias]

Alexander made it very clear what she meant by 'gamers', no matter how many times you insist otherwise. I'm still waiting for evidence she's tied to a feminist academic agenda that clandestinely spread the idea of the dead 'gamer', rather than it being an idea that arose and spread spontaneously, because it was true.

I can only lead you to the water man.

Also, you like a lot of Gamergaters think that death threats are just trolling and shouldn't be taken very seriously, but y'all fly in to a rage at the possibility that you might have been insulted. Might wanna look in the mirror before accusing others of 'ragequitting'.

False equivalency.

Also, Gamasutra and Kotaku traffic hasn't dropped off since this started. Kotaku has blown up in particular, and Gamasutra is pulling in the usual numbers for this time if the year. Gamasutra is primarily a dev site anyway, that's what made the Intel lobbying so ridiculous. So there's another false proclamation.

Yes, indeed you are right. The collapse in their views matches gamergate, but that is probably linked to the summer vacations.

Someone this despicable is despicable enough to make it all up.

The words you are trying desperately to look for are "frustrated and torn apart like ****ing hell, venting mode ON", but keep trying you'll get there. Or perhaps you'll never will until you get cheated by someone you love.

[An4ximandros]

Devs will keep making what they want. The consumers will apply selective pressure to ensure nurture of what is desired.
No one must be permitted to metastasize their views into cancers that withhold works of animae because they loathe their hypostasis.

[Mr. Vega]

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/kotaku.com

Perhaps you misunderstood what I meant when I said "blown up".

The words you are trying desperately to look for are "frustrated and torn apart like ****ing hell, venting mode ON", but keep trying you'll get there. Or perhaps you'll never will until you get cheated by someone you love.

"Men, women, and trans"

I'm sorry you were hurt so badly by a woman that you'd empathize with such a despicable monstrous person as that man, but that doesn't mean Zoe deserves the kind of 'justice' you seem to think she does. I hope you'll be happily married like I am one day and be able to let go of the anger that lets you see things in that way.

But nothing, NOTHING, justifies his actions, and how someone writes about our ****ing entertainment does not justify the hatred, threats, and harassment that have flooded gaming since Gamergate started.

[Mr. Vega]

https://twitter.com/eron_gj/status/522251455148093440

It's been months.

[Luis Dias]

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/kotaku.com

Perhaps you misunderstood what I meant when I said "blown up".

No.

"Men, women, and trans"

Sex positivity isn't an insult. It was also a direct answer to a direct question. Try again.

I'm sorry you were hurt so badly by a woman that you'd empathize with such a despicable monstrous person as that man, but that doesn't mean Zoe deserves the kind of 'justice' you seem to think she does. I hope you'll be happily married like I am one day and be able to let go of the anger that lets you see things in that way.

I was never hurt so badly. I am married and have three kids. I do know people who got hurt in this way, and it's not a pretty sight. People vent badly. It's always a ghastly scene to watch friends finally catching up to a notion wherein they have been cheated and manipulated. They feel like ****, like zeros. They will vent. Badly.

But nothing, NOTHING, justifies his actions, and how someone writes about our ****ing entertainment does not justify the hatred, threats, and harassment that have flooded gaming since Gamergate started.

He posted his misadventures with a person that cheated him. I have seen screenshots of his alledged "nefarious behavior" that were as nefarious as the ones you posted here, that is, not at all. Perhaps he has done other things in 4chan, 8chan or whatever that might be nefarious, I am still waiting for an argument from that angle. Perhaps he's a terrible person. I mean, at the very least we can confirm he has a terrible taste regarding women.

[Mr. Vega]

I mean, at the very least we can confirm he has a terrible taste regarding women.

Why don't you go inform Zoe of that. I'm sure she hasn't had enough people say that to her lately.

If you haven't been hurt personally then I think I would have preferred that be the case, because I have trouble accepting the words you're using for her otherwise.

[Luis Dias]

I never said that to her personally, why would I? And thanks for wishing me ill because I have a negative opinion about a third party that I never interacted with. Makes me think very highly of you.

[Mr. Vega]

I never said that to her personally, why would I? And thanks for wishing me ill because I have a negative opinion about a third party that I never interacted with. Makes me think very highly of you.

I would rather this hatred be coming from pain. I can accept that. I'm having trouble accepting the alternative.

[Luis Dias]

You see hatred where none exists. I'm kinda baffled by your inability to read intentions or emotions from written speech. You've made several mistakes like these already in this page alone. Perhaps before reading emotions where they don't exist, ask if they are there first or if they are some kind of mental delusions on your part.

[Mr. Vega]

I'm sure all the brilliant women in gaming coding and crafting and managing complex code, art and innovations must be thrilled that this psychopath is their front figure now.

I don't get where these feelings are coming from.