[Luis Dias]

You do not seem to understand the difference between having a detailed opinion on a particular subject or person and having an emotional episode. I will not belabor this anymore, if you want to drag that irrelevant angle further on, do it on PMs.

[Mr. Vega]

On the subject of 8chan and what is allowed on it:

[AdmiralRalwood]

You do not seem to understand the difference between having a detailed opinion on a particular subject or person and having an emotional episode.

Emotions are, in fact, possible to have outside of "emotional episodes".

[Luis Dias]

Really.

[Scotty]

You do not seem to understand the difference between having a detailed opinion on a particular subject or person and having an emotional episode.

Emotions are, in fact, possible to have outside of "emotional episodes".

I do believe this was his point.

And I also believe that this post is pretty indicative of a huge problem with the thread in general: People chiming in without taking the time to fully read and comprehend what's being said.  I tried to count the number of times in the last four pages (also known as the posts since this time yesterday) where this has happened and lost count after about twenty.

So, that said, everybody in this thread needs to take a step back, evaluate what's going on, and then see what the disagreement is to discuss.

(If you argue that you don't need to step back you've totally missed the point)

[Grizzly]

I never said that to her personally, why would I? And thanks for wishing me ill because I have a negative opinion about a third party that I never interacted with. Makes me think very highly of you.

Well, yeah, I do kinda feel bad about you having a negative opinion about a third party, considering that you constructed this opinion entirely thanks to an ex-boyfriend's revenge campaign. You've been calling miss Quinn a terrible woman and a psychopath and all that ****, and I abhorrently disagree. If it wasn't for Depression Quest I'd probably be with slit wrists in a ditch somewhere, so if you are just going around and keep claiming that she is this horrible person, better back that **** up. To me, it seems you are doing the classic victim blaming and finding excuses for someones malicious behaviour here.

[Mr. Vega]

I never said that to her personally, why would I? And thanks for wishing me ill because I have a negative opinion about a third party that I never interacted with. Makes me think very highly of you.

Well, yeah, I do kinda feel bad about you having a negative opinion about a third party, considering that you constructed this opinion entirely thanks to an ex-boyfriend's revenge campaign. You've been calling miss Quinn a terrible woman and a psychopath and all that ****, and I abhorrently disagree. If it wasn't for Depression Quest I'd probably be with slit wrists in a ditch somewhere, so if you are just going around and keep claiming that she is this horrible person, better back that **** up. To me, it seems you are doing the classic victim blaming and finding excuses for someones malicious behaviour here.

Heh. It was hard for me to play Depression Quest because all of the defense mechanisms for dealing with depression I'd burned into myself during my teenage years came back as I was playing the game. Whenever the guy would start to dwell on how he was depressed I had to fight off an almost compelling voice in my head yelling "GET UP AND LEAVE THE APARTMENT AND DON'T THINK ABOUT HOW YOU'RE FEELING FOR A FEW HOURS!"

[The E]

[666maslo666]

which IMHO is just as valid as mysoginy issues are.

I'd like a list of gamers who've been driven out of their homes by death threats sent by the media. When you give me that, then you can claim it's as big a problem.

Indeed, I dont really take internet death threats seriously. You should realize that due to the nature of the net most controversial internet figures recieve threats in a regular manner, and controversial figures complaining of recieving threats = automatic escalation of threatenning, up to death threats. Streissand effect, nothing more. So this is not indicative of any problem in gaming community, it is idicative of a problem in online trolling / 4chan community, which is really nothing out of the ordinary, lol. The fact that media and anti-GG people ramble on about "OMG she is getting death threats!!" points either to their ignorance of darker parts of internet culture or simply trying to paint gaming community as worse than it really is.

So yeah, as I said I have much higher standards for gaming journalists than anonymous trolls.

[Grizzly]

this is hilarious

[Bobboau]

On the subject of 8chan and what is allowed on it:

can you link to that post?
I mean it wasn't just some random who got banned five minutes later right?
and it it wasn't on some completely unrelated board that has nothing to do with GG right?
you are not trying to misrepresent facts or the pro-GG people, right?
hmmm... I wonder who those "anti-dox faggots" could have been?

[Grizzly]

can you link to that post?

8chan has hidden boards. You can go there if you know the url. This particular board is dedicated to the doxxing of people.

I am very very reluctant to post any links as I am quite sure that would be illegal.

[Luis Dias]

Joshua, it's perfectly fine for me to have an opinion that you disagree with. If you had a fortunate experience with something she wrote then I'm glad that such a thing happened. What's the issue here? I really don't get it. Every time I see that person "doing" something lately, it's not something not something that resonates with me. When the Escapist debacle went on, a huge storify went up on twitter documenting on how all the interviewees were "despicable people". I'm sure they all are despicable mysoginist monsters, harrassers, rape apologists and so on. Wait. What? Rape apologists? Who said this? Well, none other than ms Quinn. How did she reach the conclusion that the particular person is a rape apologist? Because he dared write a blog post with the despicable title In defense of rape. What kind of monster would write such an article? Let's read a bit of it shall we?

Before engaging in pompous outrage and trolling, first ask yourself if you are genuinely saying that rape can never, ever, ever be a useful, good or well treated story element. Because that is really all this article says. That it should not be removed from the writer’s toolbox.

Whether something is ‘well done’ or not is a subjective argument that can never be settled because tastes and sensitivities vary, but do you really mean that there should never, ever, ever be a story that includes rape, ever again? Can you honestly not tell the difference between fiction and reality? The difference between the advocacy of freedom of expression and advocacy of assault?

(...)

If you agree that rape (and murder, and drugs, and torture and indeed anything else) can be used in stories, games and other materials successfully and should be judged on its merit, rather than its content, then you agree with me. The trick is to read further than the title.

Nah, won't do. The guy's clearly a rape apologist. I mean, a guy wrote an article about how rape is something you can use in fiction, it's absolutely just to hate this dude and defame him for all to see how a scumbad he is. But don't worry if you think that her defamation of this guy seems as bit as unfair as my own take on Quinn. After all, the guy has defended the worst crime imaginable in the history of mankind: writing about rape. Compared with actual feats of manipulation, lying, cheating, sabotage, and now defamation, I mean, can we even compare? Let that guy rot in hell for all I care.

/S

[Bobboau]

can you link to that post?

8chan has hidden boards. You can go there if you know the url. This particular board is dedicated to the doxxing of people.

I am very very reluctant to post any links as I am quite sure that would be illegal.

that is very convenient. there is evidence but I cannot show it to you.
furthermore, ah, so it is on an unrelated board started by some random and not part of /gg/

[The E]

Hey Bobboau:

[karajorma]

So, that said, everybody in this thread needs to take a step back, evaluate what's going on, and then see what the disagreement is to discuss.

I'm going to back that up and point out that if people can't have a civilised discussion on the subject without ignoring or misrepresenting each other's arguments, I'll just close the thread and be done with it.

[Bobboau]

ok, so if some unrelated group of people started firebombing police departments in st.louis then that would invalidate the people protesting there?
that seems like a very easy way to just shut down a group. if someone started sending out emails threatening to kill all men would that discredit all feminists?
literally what can /gg/ possibly do about this? is it even actually happening? a URL would answer the question. hell just the name of the board would answer the question.

[666maslo666]

"I am very very reluctant to post any links as I am quite sure that would be illegal."

No it would not be, post away.

[Grizzly]

as you wish.
Geuss who's doxx is posted there *sigh*.

[The E]

And, of course, in the thread with Zoe Quinn's personal info: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6le26eqhbgc8n92/ogodwhy.png?dl=0