[AtomicClucker]

Edit: Putting foot in my mouth.

[Lorric]

I'm not talking about your report, I'm talking about your reply trying to smooth things over and make what I've clearly described as unacceptable into something acceptable because "other people like it too".  That one is pretty clear cut.

So trying to smooth things over is wrong now?

I was not challenging you. But mods are not above reproach. Are you that insecure that you'll jump on anything that is in the slightest way in contravention of what you say? That you can't just in a reasonable manner explain and prove why you are right?

[Grizzly]

I just see satire on feminists blowing things out of proportion. I didn't think of rape at all.

I d say that if you read the rape is not a good topic thread and then came back and read this thing, you would see what I mean. The storys protagonist is exerting total dominance over a woman whilst sexually aroused. Thats not a joke (well except to a rapist).

[Scotty]

I'm quite frankly shocked that you're utterly incapable of seeing both how you're doing exactly what I've already told you to stop (twice), and how in doing so you're trying to bait me into getting into the line by line back and forth bickering.  I am not above reproach, this is true.  You are not the person, given your history on this forum, to be participating in that discussion.

Luis did the correct thing, and moved to PMs, where we're handling the disagreement.  You are not the moderator or arbitrator of this forum.  Stop trying to be.

If it seems like I say this a lot, it's because you do it a ****ing lot.

[Lorric]

@ Scotty - stop twisting! I'm not trying to bait you into anything. And if the joke had nothing to do with moderation, why is there a problem with me challenging you when you weren't even moderating the joke?

I just see satire on feminists blowing things out of proportion. I didn't think of rape at all.

I d say that if you read the rape is not a good topic thread and then came back and read this thing, you would see what I mean. The storys protagonist is exerting total dominance over a woman whilst sexually aroused. Thats not a joke (well except to a rapist).

You're reading it too literally. At least that's what I see. The joke is this overexaggerated vision of this wild aroused animal, and the males around also becoming aroused, and the poor helpless female, when in reality it's a nothing incident that some people blow up into something more.

[Grizzly]

You're reading it too literally. At least that's what I see.

I ll just leave this here.

[Lorric]

You're reading it too literally. At least that's what I see.

I ll just leave this here.

I've read that thread.

I don't think this is about rape though. I think it's a joke men and women can laugh at. Men at the idea of this over exaggerated vision of men in a situation they'd think nothing of and women at the idea of being such helpless things to be emotionally crushed by that same situation that they'd also be thinking nothing of.

EDIT: Actually, here's a question for you. If the stuff about sexual arousal was removed, would the joke be okay with you?

[Scotty]

It's about rape, dude.  The entire point of the joke is that it's sexual gratification at the idea of rendering a victim utterly helpless and totally insecure.

a.k.a. rape.

[Lorric]

It's about rape, dude.  The entire point of the joke is that it's sexual gratification at the idea of rendering a victim utterly helpless and totally insecure.

a.k.a. rape.

Well I don't think so. Might as well leave it at that.

[Flipside]

It's a kind of humour that may not travel too well though, you sort of need to understand the satire involved to realise it's a joke in the first place, because there are places in the world where the concept of women being brainless technophobes who need men to do anything more complex than fix their nails is actually firmly entrenched in the male psyche.

I suppose it's kind of like the Pepsi advert that almost justifies rape by deception :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiaNFcMSbmA

It's intended to be funny, but it comes across as far darker...

[Grizzly]

If the stuff about sexual arousal was removed, would the joke be okay with you?

The entire point of the joke is that it's sexual gratification at the idea of rendering a victim utterly helpless and totally insecure.

Nope. That doesnt improve it a whole lot actually.

[Lorric]

I suppose it's kind of like the Pepsi advert that almost justifies rape by deception :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiaNFcMSbmA

It's intended to be funny, but it comes across as far darker...

Oh no, no, no. That's not the point of that at all. It's obvious she already had feelings for him the way she threw herself at him with such passion. All they did was help her to express them. It's sweet. It's the old story of the two people who the whole World can see love each other but they can't see it themselves or express it. Note the words about reaching out and showing someone you love them.

[Lorric]

If the stuff about sexual arousal was removed, would the joke be okay with you?

The entire point of the joke is that it's sexual gratification at the idea of rendering a victim utterly helpless and totally insecure.

Nope. That doesnt improve it a whole lot actually.

You're just... not seeing it the way I am. I don't know how to explain it better.

Look men and women can laugh at this. Men at this absurd vision of themselves as wild out of control animals and women at the idea of being these incredibly fragile things getting emotionally crushed over an incident that to both the male and the female in question would almost certainly be a nothing incident.

[Scotty]

I wouldn't call it laughing, Lorric.  I'm certainly not.  It's really ****ing easy to interpret that 'joke' exactly as Joshua and I are saying.  It's actually harder to justify the line you're spinning.  You don't think that says a whole lot about the joke itself?

Also that commercial features a guy coercing consent out of a woman on false pretenses.  Also not cool.

[Flipside]

I think that, no matter how socially awkward either of a couple is, if you have to resort to telling them the world is ending to get them to sleep with you, and then celebrate the conquest by high-fiveing your mates as though you'd scored a touchdown, then the relationship is on the road to nowhere, except possibly the criminal courts.

Edit : And to clarify, I think what the producer was aiming for was a sort of 'romantic' angle that you are seeing, but complete lack of context is what damages that concept. Like I said, some comedy doesn't travel well.

[Lorric]

@ Scotty

Ehhhh... different people, different senses of humour I guess.

What I'm saying is I didn't see your line at all. It's harder to justify to you because that's how you saw it. I saw it different, so it's harder to justify that to me. Your brain and my brain spun completely different lines.

@ Flipside

I just don't see it that way.

Remember, it's a joke. In real life, it just wouldn't go down that way.

EDIT: *sees your edit*

I don't know why there is a lack of context. I saw it clearly. I imagine many people did. It certainly has plenty of thumbs up. Not everyone is going to see what you want them to see. It's pointless trying to please or anticipate everyone.

[Grizzly]

You really think that a guy staring at you, standing very close to you, deliberately trying to make you uncomfortable whilst being sexually aroused is a joke?

That **** actually happened to me. I did not find it funny at all. And I daresay that's not because of my sense of humour.

Likewise I don't find the idea of a woman being scared the hell out of any better...

But mabye I just am too much of a social justice retard to laugh at the pain and suffering of others.

Remember, it's a joke. In real life, it just wouldn't go down that way.

I can make many jokes involving jews and gas. It wouldn't go down that way in real life either. That does not make it in any way funny.

[Luis Dias]

I disagree too ahahah. OMG. I just hope we get along while disagreeing, is that impossible? Come on I think we can do this.

Now, regarding the pepsi one. The interpretation that this is "coercive" is bull****. Let's be real, she decides to fly INTO him. There's no coercion like "IF YOU DONT DO THIS...". The thinking over it is a lot more like "Well, if you would die in the next few minutes, would you kiss the guy or not?", and the ad just answers this question with a ****ing air jump. Come on. Was it sleazy on his part? Of course. But that's not RAPE, come ooooooooon.

Regarding the laptop joke, I admit that it is a rape joke. But it's not the typical rape joke at all. Typical rape jokes actually include the actual event (I am not going to give examples). This is not it. It is a distinction between a paranoia dark inner mind world where all the feminist nightmares are indeed happening and the actual real world where the only thing that is happening is a man helping a woman fix her laptop out of his gratuitous goodwill. The joke is at extreme Feminism's expense, or any other paranoia that posits that really DARK and EVIL realities are happening RIGHT BEFORE OUR VERY EYES when it's actually just a common vulgar irrelevant event. The last line is incredible, because it's so coherent with both worlds.

Now I think people were offended by the rapey tone of it all, and I understand. I apologize for introducing it, though I still find it funny and it saddens me that some people just don't see it.

[Boomer20]

Remember, it's a joke. In real life, it just wouldn't go down that way.

Thats a dangerous line of thinking to assume that. The are people who would get this 'bright idea' from such ads and then get themselves into a big mess ultimately leading to them probably suing the company who made said ad.

The common recent examples of this are games, you would assume that people would think, its a game, that wont happen in real life, yet you get people who shoot up others in the pretense that they were inspired by video game X.

See the dangerous thinking?

[Grizzly]

Regarding the laptop joke, I admit that it is a rape joke. But it's not the typical rape joke at all.

#notallrape

t is a distinction between a paranoia dark inner mind world where all the feminist nightmares are indeed happening

It's instead a rape joke designed to insult feminists. Right.