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Lorric · **Reply #40 on:** December 30, 2014, 04:50:34 pm

No -Joshua-, I do not think these things are funny or acceptable.

I also do not laugh at the pain and suffering of others.

The joke is not endorsing these things.

EDIT: Well, maybe Luis can help you where I can't.

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Quote from: Lorric on December 30, 2014, 04:37:41 pm
Remember, it's a joke. In real life, it just wouldn't go down that way.

Thats a dangerous line of thinking to assume that. The are people who would get this 'bright idea' from such ads and then get themselves into a big mess ultimately leading to them probably suing the company who made said ad.

The common recent examples of this are games, you would assume that people would think, its a game, that wont happen in real life, yet you get people who shoot up others in the pretense that they were inspired by video game X.

See the dangerous thinking?

On this, the minority is too tiny (and unpredictable) I think to worry about. If someone really intends to go on a shooting spree, they'll find inspiration somewhere. No way does a game make someone otherwise benign decide to go on a shooting spree.

Flipside · **Reply #41 on:** December 30, 2014, 04:50:42 pm

Well, part of the reason that I chose that particular clip is because a UK satire show picked up on it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCTrDN9Lsfo

I think it does a good job of pointing and laughing without being too judgmental, though the language may be NSFW for some.

Lorric · **Reply #42 on:** December 30, 2014, 04:52:28 pm

Quote from: -Joshua- on December 30, 2014, 04:49:26 pm

It's instead a rape joke designed to insult feminists. Right.

Too many people posting to keep up.

Radical "feminists". But also hopefully to open up some eyes.

Grizzly · **Reply #43 on:** December 30, 2014, 04:57:30 pm

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Radical "feminists". But also hopefully to open up some eyes.

Considering that I have never seen a feminist say something even remotely like the seriously awfull stuff you just posted, I think you just scored a few points for feminism.

Luis Dias · **Reply #44 on:** December 30, 2014, 04:58:16 pm

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Regarding the laptop joke, I admit that it is a rape joke. But it's not the typical rape joke at all.
#notallrape

Rape jokes are fine. If you want to go to the nitty gritty, it's even common practice for *some* people who have actually suffered heavy traumas to make jokes about their traumas, it's one of the most therapeutic things one can ever do to surpass the traumas. I know it helped me in my own misfortunes quite a lot. All of the most dark jokes are about us being in that situation, not about "people who have been Xd".

I will not share any rape jokes here if you don't want me to! The purpose was to get a laugh, not weird you out, so don't be mad at me.

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It's instead a rape joke designed to insult feminists. Right.

It's called satire. A common method of ridiculing ideologies, of any stripes. If you see "insults" in it it's your problem. No insults exist in there, just satire on an exaggerated form of an ideology. There are many many jokes about fascism, about communism, about capitalism, etc., etc. Jokes about ourselves are the best kinds of jokes, even. A person who is unable to laugh about him/herself is lacking something deep, IMO.

AtomicClucker · **Reply #45 on:** December 30, 2014, 05:00:33 pm

I'll just state that I find rape jokes distasteful.

Grizzly · **Reply #46 on:** December 30, 2014, 05:03:01 pm

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All of the most dark jokes are about us being in that situation, not about "people who have been Xd".

And this joke really wasn't: It was about putting someone else in that situation, yet you keep defending it. I simply can not fathom why someone would do that, but I geuss I am just a social justice retard or something.

X3N0-Life-Form · **Reply #47 on:** December 30, 2014, 05:05:22 pm

OK, could the drama be split out of the WHIYL thread at some point?

Scotty · **Reply #48 on:** December 30, 2014, 05:06:53 pm

Even despite the subject of discussion, I'm really struggling to understand why it's so damn hard to avoid making things personal. Joshua, I got onto AtomicClucker for that phrase (ironically for the exact opposite reason), and you're not immune to that. Especially since it's pretty clear you're using it to disparage their entire line of thinking.

I'm splitting this out of WHIYL, but I won't be locking it because even if it's a bit heated there's some kernel of potentially constructive discussion to be found here. Taking things personally and reacting in kind is not it.

Grizzly · **Reply #49 on:** December 30, 2014, 05:08:20 pm

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Joshua, I got onto AtomicClucker for that phrase (ironically for the exact opposite reason), and you're not immune to that. Especially since it's pretty clear you're using it to disparage their entire line of thinking.

Yeah that was outta line. Sorry.

Luis Dias · **Reply #50 on:** December 30, 2014, 05:18:04 pm

Quote from: -Joshua- on December 30, 2014, 05:03:01 pm

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All of the most dark jokes are about us being in that situation, not about "people who have been Xd".

And this joke really wasn't: It was about putting someone else in that situation, yet you keep defending it. I simply can not fathom why someone would do that, but I geuss I am just a social justice retard or something.

The joke also toys with your own lack of comfort with what you are reading until you slowly realise it's not real. I understand, it went through a line in your head and you just don't like it. I'm probably a lot more used to nasty jokes, having listened to every single Louis CK, Bill Burr and Jim Jefferies stand up specials. They are incredible, for they actually change your brain. If you think I'm nasty, boy, you sure can do worse than getting your brain muscles worked out with their acts.

Flipside · **Reply #51 on:** December 30, 2014, 05:22:07 pm

Laughing at the humiliation and dehumanization of another is human nature, in a way it's a survival trait to make sure you are not next on the list. But that has always made it a symbol of oppression for that exact reason.

To be honest, I'm no more comfortable around rape jokes than I am around jokes about 9/11 or jokes about Gabriel Giffords shooting. For some it is a 'coping mechanism' to laugh at something horrific, I understand that, but that humour needs to be aimed at the perpetrator, not the victim, and it is there that I find attitudes, particularly on the Internet, can get somewhat confused.

Luis Dias · **Reply #52 on:** December 30, 2014, 05:26:10 pm

Right, but the joke is not about laughing at the humiliation and dehumanization of another human being. That's not the funny part. That's the eschatological, nasty part of the joke that makes you uncomfortable. It does extend too long for some people, I get it.

I also don't agree with the "the joke has to be at the expense of the perpetrator" thing at all.

Flipside · **Reply #53 on:** December 30, 2014, 05:34:38 pm

Because being actually raped isn't funny and nor should it ever be made out to be so, it's not remotely funny.

If you are going to laugh at the act of rape then laugh at the perpetrator for being so sexually inept that he/she has to force themselves onto someone in order to get laid, by all means imply their sexual equipment is not up to the job without the threat of violence, but I'll be honest, anyone who thinks it is ok to laugh at the victim of a rape seriously needs to get themselves down to some protected shelters and safe houses to explain to some of the women living there just how hilarious it is.

Scotty · **Reply #54 on:** December 30, 2014, 05:35:16 pm

I think that particular point depends heavily on the subject matter. For example, I wouldn't feel nearly as negatively or as strongly toward a joke aimed at the victim of, say, highway robbery for the arbitrary example. It's not something that's a huge issue in our society, and it's not an event that leaves the sort of crippling mental wounds that last for decades. Something like rape? I will never, ever, ever find a joke funny that has a rape victim as the subject. Ever.

Flipside · **Reply #55 on:** December 30, 2014, 05:42:36 pm

Thing is, it's about blame, I can watch a video on youTube of someone who is a victim of their own actions, skateboard tricks gone horribly wrong etc, and that's because the person chose to do it, if you film yourself doing flips and end up with a mouth full of tarmac, well, no-one forced you to do it, you can effectively say 'Well, it's your own fault'.

Rape is kind of the opposite of that, laughing at them is, to my mind, expecting them to take a degree of responsibility for what happened when they were forced to do it.

Luis Dias · **Reply #56 on:** December 30, 2014, 05:44:05 pm

Quote from: Flipside on December 30, 2014, 05:34:38 pm

Because being actually raped isn't funny and nor should it ever be made out to be so, it's not remotely funny.

I hope you do realise the joke doesn't contain any rape whatsoever.

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If you are going to laugh at the act of rape then laugh at the perpetrator for being so sexually inept that he/she has to force themselves onto someone in order to get laid, by all means imply their sexual equipment is not up to the job without the threat of violence, but I'll be honest, anyone who thinks it is ok to laugh at the victim of a rape seriously needs to get themselves down to some protected shelters and safe houses to explain to some of the women living there just how hilarious it is.

Two things. First, I'm pretty sure a talented comedian could create a joke outside your rules in a heartbeat. I'm not one though. Second, the joke I had didn't "laugh at the victim of a rape". There wasn't even a rape. It plays with the "rape joke" trope, but it never actually goes there. I'm beggining to think you didn't even read it properly.

Grizzly · **Reply #57 on:** December 30, 2014, 05:45:19 pm

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That's the eschatological, nasty part of the joke that makes you uncomfortable

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If you think I'm nasty, boy, you sure can do worse than getting your brain muscles worked out with their acts.

Yeah **** that. I am out.

Luis Dias · **Reply #58 on:** December 30, 2014, 05:48:22 pm

I'll post jokes about triangles and circles next time, I swear.

Flipside · **Reply #59 on:** December 30, 2014, 05:49:30 pm

At the moment, I'm not dealing directly with your joke, as I've already said, I think the satire traveled badly in that specific case rather than the joke being 'pro-rape'. I replied to that specific case in my first post, so let's go a little easy on the accusations of 'not reading' things

As for your first point, I think most talented comedians wouldn't bother trying, because they are talented comedians.

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