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2015 UK elections thread?
IDK, I guess we should have one. It's proving more interesting than any we've had for a while.
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I enjoy watching any democratic election, this is no exception. And there's certainly some interesting players in the field this time around. I will be watching, and I don't even live in the UK.
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I'm kind of amazed at how well the SNP have managed to keep up the momentum after losing the referendum. Especially Sturgeon's performance; Salmond was such a central figure in the party that it seemed like she'd always be working in his shadow, but she's managed to propel herself to the national stage in no time at all.
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SNP are one of those parties which are good for national pride.... you just dont want them in power types as their focus is very narrow and ultimately short term as should independence be achieved to my knowledge they havent been very big on the details beyond that
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I've been watching the debate tonight and I do not hide the fact that I am a UKIP voter, as to me they speak the most sense although I do sometimes have concerns about some of the members. But anyway, here is my take on the rest of the parties and I will leave a conclusion to highlight my political stance. So in no particular order:-

Lib Dem

I cannot take these people seriously as they are proven liars and have policies which, in my opinion, will end up bankrupting the country. The only thing I will grant Nick Clegg is that he was humble enough to say "sorry" and admit to the mistakes.

Labour

Bloody hell... where do I begin with these! They have done so much damage to the UK and everytime they have been in power, they have left the country in debt. I live in Swansea in Wales which is, unfortunately, a traditional Labour stronghold. This is something that I cannot get my head around as a lot of the Welsh peoples will vote Labour because there Dad voted Labour, and their Dad voted Labour because Maggie Thatcher closed all those mines. But hang on a minute... Tony Benn who was the Labour energy minister before Thatcher came to power closed more mines then she ever did! In my eyes, they are the reason why we have so much debt and why so my lives were lost in Gulf War II of which a "sexed up dossier" was used to take us in. I could go on... and on... and on... and on... but I won't!

Conservatives

Apart from UKIP, these would be the only viable option for me as they would give us a referendum on EU membership. Whereas I do agree with a lot of the values they hold, I do no agree with the way that they go about doing things.

The Greens

Absolute waste of time, led by someone who is essentially a traitor to her home country. I cannot take the Greens seriously. The only two things that interest me about the Greens are the policies of giving people a referendum on EU membership and changing the law relating to cannabis. Otherwise they are a party that would end up introducing more tax, more borrowing and more spending. That's more "no thanks" from me. As for climate change... well I personally don't believe in man-made climate change and doing more in the UK would not have a significant impact on the problem, if it was a man-made problem. IF man-made climate change is actually true (left open to debate), then the US, China and India are the countries that need to be tackled as they are the biggest contributors to so called "Green house" gases.

Plaid Cymru

Just no! Plaid Cymru are a National Socialist party. Do I need to echo Germany of 1933? As it goes, Plaid were originally the Welsh National Party and this party had so much spite for England that they did a deal with Hitler which said, "If you invade the UK, we will not stand in your way." I don't care how many years later we are now, but that stance is totally undefendable. Also, at the last Welsh Assembly Government, they jumped into bed with Labour to form a coalition. That on its own would be enough to put me against the party, as if the opening fact about Plaid wasn't true.

SNP

Not a party I can vote for anyway, but not one that I would if I could. Again, this party is a National Socialist party. But this party is also led by one of the biggest hypocrites I have seen in politics. Nicola Sturgeon's parents originally bought their house via the "right to buy" scheme which was a scheme introduced by Thatcher's government. When Sturgeon came to power in Scotland, one of the first things she did was to scrap it! I seriously believe that Nicola Sturgeon would not have been standing on that stage this evening if it wasn't for right-to-buy. Also, she wants to get in to bed with Miliband faster than he can pull his kegs round his ankles, which again, is another reason why I want nothing to do with that party.

Conclusion

Obviously, this post will probably tread on a few toes here on HLP and for that I apologise. However, this is my view. Yes, I vote UKIP and the reason being is because they have the most common sense policies and they appear to be listening too and saying what a large proportion of the UK public are thinking. I won't say a majority, because I am not a pollster and I do not have access to the figures. But in my line of work, I meet people from all walks of life and I listen to their concerns which do tend to be echoed by UKIP whether people like it or not.

I am by no means racist or bigoted as the UK left-wing political establishment would lead you to believe. I have met a lot of foreign people in the UK and I do not have a problem with them or the reasons why they chose to come the UK, as they are fuelled by basic human nature. Now, in a lot of countries in the EU, typically the former Eastern Bloc, those nations do not have much in the way of wealth or welfare. The same can be said of countries outside of the EU, so I do not blame these people coming to the UK for a better way of life... in fact if I was in their shoes, I would probably do the same. The UK has a small land mass and high population density which is not good for us. There is only so much that the tax payer can support which is why the UK faces a £90 billion deficit and a stupid amount of debt... something like £1.5 trillion.

I am not particularly charitable, but for ethical reasons. I also do not appreciate that the government decides to send my tax to foreign countries and governments who in some cases do not need it. For example, David Cameron sent money to India who did not need nor want the money. Also, it is documented that the UK government has been funding Chinese and Russian governments... why? As for foreign aid, whereas in principle, I agree with helping those who need it, what I do not agree with is the amount of money which is sent, of which I have no choice over, especially when the money is bottle-necked at the top by dictators and warlords who are paid massive bribes, just so mere pennies reach the people who need the money.

My final stance is to do with weapons and military. Even though the Trident nuclear deterrent is expensive, it is necessary. Britain is a target of terrorists thanks to the actions of Mr Blair, the so called middle-east peace ambassador. The film "Lord of War" has two of the most hard hitting facts when it comes to violence and firearms. The first one quoted by Ethan Hawke's character is, "The AK47 is the real weapon of mass destruction. Those nuclear missiles just sit in the silos whereas small arms kill tens of thousands of people every year." That statement could not ring more true, especially considering foreign aid money is ending up in warlords' pockets. The second quote is the fact that the five permanent members of the UN Security council are the biggest traders in firearms. This is the same UN that demands that 0.7% of GDP be sent to foreign aid... go figure!

In conclusion, this should highlight why I vote UKIP. I could go on further about the our NHS, housing stock and other public services. But I think I have said enough and probably upset a few people by now. If you have made it this far down this post then well done to you!

I would like to finish off that if you views differ from mine, I will not hold it against you and I would ask that you do not hold it against me. At the end of the day, we all want what we believe is best but we will not always agree... that is politics!

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When politics will stop being about winning a communication contest, maybe I shall put some interest into.

Here in France the only guys that have implementable ideas (things that go a little further and are smarter than "increase taxes" or "decrease taxes") don't get past the first turn, mostly because they do not have the required communication.

And I have the feeling that we vote someone not because he has good ideas, but because he has a good voice, he seems convincing when he speaks.. Or he spams demagogical ideas (decrease taxes, decrease unemployment, raise aids.. These are results, not how to achieve that. Of course we all want that, but what I want to hear out of these politicians is how we will achieve this.)

Oh, and political debates in France are funny. President candidate #1 sends a spike to president candidate #2, and then instead of answering the spike, he replies with another spike, which results in a completely disconnected speech from beginning to end. How can they call that a political debate ? That's not even a debate !

Anyway, that was mostly about France. Maybe it's different in the States.

 
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Again, this party is a National Socialist party.

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For the first time in a long time, I'm not sure I'll know who I will vote for until I'm actually standing in the cublicle. Right now it feels like choosing the best of several evils, but then, that's applicable to most elections.

I won't be voting UKIP, whatever Farage wants for the party, you can be certain that the number of people below him with even more extreme views will end up tearing that party apart once the elections are over, the unity is only because an election is coming up, and I won't be voting Tory because any group that promises to save 14bn on the Benefit/Allowance system, but states that they'll only tell us how after they get voted in quite obviously has something to hide.

The problem is, every other party has provided a piss-poor showing so far as well.

 

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UKIP: is a no go for me, the UK just does not have the economy to go it alone, we have a rough time as it is and without the trade advantages of the EU.  Yes the EU really needs rebuilding from the ground up but it does at least provide us with a trading region with reduced impediment.

Labour: 1997 and through the first term did so well UK growth was pretty damn good but then got so high on their own success that they just just didnt see or react to global changes that were important.  Also being so far up Bus's ass didnt help either

Conservatives: just dont get the idea of the welfare state or the idea that money needs to move for an economy to work.

Lib Dem: ahhh I just want to love you guys but the current coalition indicates how spineless you might be in power and I dont want to take that risk.

Green: useful for awareness but defo would not trust them in power
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I'd never vote UKIP on the grounds that any party which can be successfully infiltrated by the BNP and fail to notice is obviously rotten to the core.

I would vote Lib Dem if it weren't for exactly the reason headdie mentioned. They whored themselves out for a vote on PR and then lost it anyway. I can't trust them any more.
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I'd never vote UKIP on the grounds that any party which can be successfully infiltrated by the BNP and fail to notice is obviously rotten to the core.


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I'd never vote UKIP on the grounds that any party which can be successfully infiltrated by the BNP and fail to notice is obviously rotten to the core.


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I honestly have given this not enough thought but am registered and good to go.

For some reason I had the impression that UKIP and BNP were the same, and were your version of our disgusting Republicans.
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BNP were crazy racists trying to become mainstream by reframing themselves as anti-immigration, UKIP are opportunistic scumbags who have beaten them to it by starting from scratch with a clean image.
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I'd never vote UKIP on the grounds that any party which can be successfully infiltrated by the BNP and fail to notice is obviously rotten to the core.


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I honestly have given this not enough thought but am registered and good to go.

For some reason I had the impression that UKIP and BNP were the same, and were your version of our disgusting Republicans.

 - UKIP grew out of our participation in Europe as a voice against membership which has degraded into a collection of extreme and in several important cases immoral views on several topics.
 - BNP are a bunch of White Supremacy leaning thugs trying to turn their often illegal views into a legitimate political position but are often caught out by the press and occasionally the law in morally/legally questionable activities relating to their views.

There are differences between the two though both contain some pretty disgusting characters.
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- UKIP grew out of our participation in Europe as a voice against membership which has degraded into a collection of extreme and in several important cases immoral views on several topics.

Such as?
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In the last few posts I have seen evidence of the clear problem of the current political state. Mud-slinging and name calling.

The problem with ALL political parties are that there are characters in them that are questionable. Yesterday, we have heard of a Labour MP who cannot be convicted on paedophilia because he now has dementia. Do I even dare mention Cyril Smith? Lets not forget the massive expenses scandal which blighted British politics. The problem is that the electorate seems to have a very short term memory. Then there is Rotherham sex trafficing which is another disgusting story. Although, one of the most disgusting stories was children who were removed from foster care, just because the foster carers voted UKIP... so much for freedom of political free speech eh?!

Fine to laugh at me saying that the SNP are a Nationalist socialist party... but it is he plain truth! They are the Scottish NATIONALIST Party. The SNP are also socialist. By definition, they are a Nationalist Socialist party. In 1933 the German citizens voted for a centre left party an look what happened!

As I said in my post, I do have some reservations about UKIP. But in recent weeks we have seen them consistently weed out and eject people from the party who have brought them in to disrepute. Can that honestly be said about any other party?

My opinion is that ConLibLab are an absolute no go as voting for them means more of the same. Green just grate against me and the other two are just dangerous and hell bent upon breaking up the UK which leaves me with only one option.

As for the EU... this is the most undemocratic constitution in existence. To say that leaving the EU would hurt Britain's trade is just simply not true. The EU prevents the UK from making its own decisions at the trading table. The UKs biggest trading partners are not a select group of 30 odd states if which most have crumbing economies. I shouldn't even need to refer to the example of the Euro! I'm all for free trade with the EU, which is the original premise on which it was formed, but as for political union... that is just a big no no! You can't have political union with 30 countries who have 30 different cultures and way of thinking.

Now lets look at Greece in the EU. This is a country I really feel sorry for as the have essentially been denied their sovereignty by the EU. Greece were having a bit of a political revolt and contemplating leaving the EU. The top powers at the EU then removed Greece's Prime Minister and instated their own political puppet. I think it was Angela Merkel who said, "Under no circumstances will Greece be allowed to leave the EU!" This is fundamentally wrong and politicians are elected to work for the people, not to enforce corrupt and undemocratic practices on people.

If I recall correctly, France's economy isn't currently that great. Also, Spain and Italy's economies are not fantastic and I believe the Germany's is also questionable. Those are the major players of the EU and I personally believe that it is not sensible to try and trade exclusively with economies that are either in tatters or weakening. Bolshevist states have next to no welfare system (correct me if I am wrong) and then you have the situation which is Ukraine, exacerbated by the EU trying to recruit them.

Whereas the GE is the most exciting it has been for decades, this is not a result of dynamic selection of policies. You vote Plaid Cymru, SNP, or Green... you end up with a dangerous coalition of Labour. For me, UKIP are not proven to be a bunch of liars or thieves which is refreshing in politics. Yes, there are some questionable characters, but they exist all over the political spectrum. I'm willing to give them a try based on that and give them the benefit of the doubt to get some proper change in the country. I'm by no means fan of David Cameron, but I would rather him than the bigoted left wing who scream "racist" every time a politically inconvenient truth is raised. Although overall, I'd rather have Farage for Prime Minister because he will not avoid the key political issues and smoke screen them with irrelevant policies which mean nothing to the well being of the general populus.

I will pose a challenge to those who disagree with this post. The challenge is to show me the hard, cold and raw facts without any political spin or manipulated statistics without having to resort to name calling, political slur, mud-slinging and only dealing in reality. Although, I suppose a better question would be... tell me what your concerns are, what is important to you and how you would address the issues!
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Re: 2015 UK elections thread?
Fine to laugh at me saying that the SNP are a Nationalist socialist party... but it is he plain truth! They are the Scottish NATIONALIST Party. The SNP are also socialist. By definition, they are a Nationalist Socialist party. In 1933 the German citizens voted for a centre left party an look what happened!

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Personally, I don't find it funny. I find it quite worrying. If you disagree with the statement, please debunk it!
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so who's nicki going to be rounding up into the death camps then
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Fine to laugh at me saying that the SNP are a Nationalist socialist party... but it is he plain truth! They are the Scottish NATIONALIST Party. The SNP are also socialist. By definition, they are a Nationalist Socialist party. In 1933 the German citizens voted for a centre left party an look what happened!

Being nationalist and being socialist is not the same as being national socialist. If you honestly believe that the NSDAP was center left, you have some reading to do. The NSDAP grew out of already existing nationalist, racist and populist groups (The so-called Freikorps); they labelled themselves "socialist worker's party" in order to muddy the waters with regards to the actual socialist and communist partys that were operating in Weimar Germany.
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