@ Phantom:- I'm sure Sturgeon won't put anyone into death camps as it is not really a possible thing to do these days and no it wouldn't happen. But I do find it a dangerous prospect of Labour and SNP forming a coalition as it is my belief that the damage to the country could not be reversed.
@ The E:- I think we will have to agree to disagree with regards to what the definition is. I am reasonably well read on the build up to the Nazis, to the point where I know why Hitler was so anti-semetic. In 1933 people thought that they were voting for a centre-left party, because of the state that Germany had been left in as a result of WW1 and the sanctions imposed on them by the Treaty of Versailles. Obviously, they weren't "centre left"! I honestly don't like talking politics in such as one dimensional state of being either left wing or right wing, as I believe that politics just isn't that one dimensional. Ok, I have used terms like left-wing liberals etc... but I don't like to do it, but the media depicts politics as such and it is too difficult to escape it as a result. The point I was making (although bad communication from part got in the way... too much whisky haha) is that it is what people thought they were voting for. Obviously, they were a party with pre-determined prejudices, but in all honesty I see Plaid Cymru and the SNP has already having pre-determined prejudices towards the English. In the SNP case, their support for the Barnett Formula supports this statement. In the case of Plaid... well I made that case in my first post in this thread (true story as well... though it would be denied).
@ headdie:- Leaving the EU does not mean "stop trading with the EU". I want to leave the EU, but I am happy to continue trading with them. This is the original reason why the EU was EEC was built on the premise of trade, not political union. I don't think it is right to pump all the money into the EU who have not had their so called "auditted accounts" actually signed off since... well I don't know... and the reason being is because of the financial black hole in this accounts.
There are stronger economies outside of the EU that we could trade with and I believe that the UK should be in a position where it can open the doors easier to trade with those countries without EU sanctions blowing the whole deal, which we cannot do at the moment because we have to trade as an EU member. Around 60% of UK exports go the EU and I am happy for the actual amount in "x millions of product" to continue going there, but I would also like to see us open up more trade routes with Commonwealth states such as Australia, New Zealand and Canada, then expand on trade with the Commonwealth states that we already trade with such as India. There is no reason why we should trade predominantly exclusively with the EU states as the world wide market is a much bigger market than the EU.
Setting up trade agreements with those countries could eliminate the negative factors that you talk about. Any exit from the EU after a referendum would not happen instantly at the drop of the result, but would happen over a period of time and it is that time between the result and leaving the EU and the result that those agreements could be made.
The other problem with the EU for me, is that they are in a position which could hold Britain to ransom. That is a position that makes me extremely uncomfortable. Britain is a massive contributor to the EU coffers and if Britain was to exit than I believe the EU would collapse. So, the EU commision do not want this as they are quite happy to sit in unelected seats of power pulling the strings and making our lives difficult and take home massive salaries for it. Another worry is that with Britain withdrawing from the EU, the commission might put additional sanctions on British produce in that final period of time, but this should not be a problem as we can impose our own sanctions on EU goods, such as BMW, Mercedes, Citroen and Peugeot, just to use cars as an example, then encourage our own internal market to grow and open up those alternative avenues of trade.
So whereas I understand peoples' worrys about the trade situation, I believe it to be an unjustified worry.
There are other reasons which I could go into, but the treading on toes might become a bit more of a stamp.
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Anyway I think we should put this one to rest, as I did ask what people's actual real world concerns were at the moment and how you would want to see them dealt with, whether it be immigration, economy, social welfare, NHS etc...
