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Re: 2015 UK elections thread?
either Nationalist or Socialist, as SNP stands for Scottish National Party and their primary objective is an independent Scotland then I would call them Nationalists.  They just have Socialist leanings.
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Re: 2015 UK elections thread?
so you are saying that the SNP are a bunch of national socialists
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Re: 2015 UK elections thread?
either Nationalist or Socialist

LOL.

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Re: 2015 UK elections thread?
Almost all political positions are Nationalist at heart, it's kind of the point really, it's just that the UK Government defines the 'Nation' somewhat differently to Holyrood, and this is totally to be expected considering Holyrood is designed to represent just Scotland and therefore considers National issues as those involving Scotland, whereas Westminster consider National issues to be those involving the the Union.

The situation is a bit of a mess really, I remember the Poll Tax being issued in Scotland a year before anyone else got it, as an 'experiment', that sort of thing sticks in the public psyche and gives a very definite impression of your position in the pecking order from the perspective of Westminster.

Is the SNP 'Nationalist' in the way it is meant here, that's a difficult to answer, they are Separatist for Nationalistic reasons, certainly, but it's a chicken and egg question, is thinking Scotland would be better off without the rest of the UK 'Nationalist' or does it depend on whether that is true or not?

That said, the Scottish people have spoken twice, they've voted in the SNP as the power-incumbent for Scotland and they've voted to remain a part of the Union, which is a defiance of the core tenet of the very party they later voted in. There's a feeling of remoteness from Southern England, both physically and politically in Scotland that Westminster simply fails to connect with, the SNP provides that 'homegrown' feeling but I don't think Scotland want independence, they just want to feel someone 200 miles away gives a ****.

 

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Re: 2015 UK elections thread?
Everyone forgets that the SNP won the election because the people who want to remain part of the union split their vote amongst the other parties far more than the people who wanted independence. It's not really cause they had a change of heart so quickly.

That said, I agree that Westminster needs to start giving a **** about Scotland. More importantly perhaps, it needs to start giving a **** about the north of England.
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Re: 2015 UK elections thread?
Oh, I don't doubt that was the case, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a fair number of people who voted No to Independence also voted SNP in the election, especially with the Referendum behind them and extremely unlikely to rear its head again for around a decade, at some point I'll have to compare total votes in the two and see if I can get some kind of idea whether that is the case.

 

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Oh I'm sure they did. Many of the people who voted no wanted more devolution, just not an end to the union.
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