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Offline an0n

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OT-What kind of moron is this?
Doesn't matter though. He would have eventually figured it out and started nuking people.

Yeah, their rockest kicked ass. Germany had extremely advanced fighting thingies but they lacked the capability to produce them fast enough. Their tanks 0wned. Even right until the end of the war the Germans were taking out 4 allied tanks for every one that they lost. But in the end they just couldn't produce new tanks quick enough.
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I dunno. After a few weeks of decimation on both sides I think no-one would be in any shape to attempt non-nuclear counter-strikes nor would they want to start nuking again.



You're assuming Britain could even mount an attack. Nukes would be a ways off and I doubt England could withstand the attacks alone that long, and THEN have the resources to mount a counterattack with them.

 

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Doesn't matter though. He would have eventually figured it out and started nuking people.


true, but the US might have had them first.

then that brings up this problem:

the US hasn't got the capacity to drop nukes on Germany without a great risk of being intercepted. (if we assume Britain is out of the picture)

Germany has got the capacity (von Braun's two stage intercontinental ballistic missile) to hit the eastern coast of the US.


Rockets may not be as powrfull as a nuke, but they are cheap, and can be made fast. And they are effective since you can't intercept them (ICBM type), can't see them, can't hear them (until it's too late)

the Nukes on the other hand are:
-deadly to the extreme, but difficult to make, expensive and hard to bring to the Theatre of War (considering the US would go for an Enola Gay deployment of the nukes: by plane) since they could be destroyed at some point before dropping the bomb
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You're assuming Britain could even mount an attack. Nukes would be a ways off and I doubt England could withstand the attacks alone that long, and THEN have the resources to mount a counterattack with them.

That's the thing with nukes, you don't need to mount a counter-strike. Britain coulda just smuggled the parts into Berlin and built the nuke, then blew the **** outta the city. It's not as if the guards and truck searchers would know what nuke-parts looked like.
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f00kit - we all won - who cares?
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f00kit - we all won - who cares?
The guy in the top quote apparently.
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Offline Crazy_Ivan80

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The guy in the top quote apparently.


shouldn't that guy in the top quote be at the sun by now? :D
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That's the thing with nukes, you don't need to mount a counter-strike. Britain coulda just smuggled the parts into Berlin and built the nuke, then blew the **** outta the city. It's not as if the guards and truck searchers would know what nuke-parts looked like.



A: you'd need the parts, enough of them

B: you'd need to be sure they could get into the country, fairly hard to do.

C: even if they pulled it off, you don't know if Hitler would bow to their demands, or turn up the heat, he was a nutcase after all

 

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Most of Hitler generals didn't want war with the world. They just wanted to make sure Germany was strong and safe. If you nuke Berlin and kill Hitler, his generals would most likely sign an armistice for fear of more attacks and lack of commitment. Without Hitler and Himmler the whole Reich would have simply stopped and went back into a major recession.
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Assuming you could get the nuke into Berlin, they had problems sneaking conventional bombs in, and a nuke was farking huge at the time

 

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Yeah but all you've got to do is sneak in a small amount of Uranium. The rest can be done with household chemicals.
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We know that now, did they? Sorry I'm not up on nuclear weapons of that age.

All I'm saying is England left on its own would not have lasted long enough to get nuclear weapons. (In my opinion)

 

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Meh, I don't think they'd have been conquered but they'd've been screwed beyond belief.

Anyway, back to the main argument: America might have made it possible to win the war but it was not like they singlehandedly defeated the Nazi's, they just gave the extra umph needed to win. If they'd have stayed out of it then once Britain was ****ed, America would have been incinerated from all sides.

Also: ICQ¬!¬!¬!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anyway, back to the main argument: America might have made it possible to win the war but it was not like they singlehandedly defeated the Nazi's, they just gave the extra umph needed to win. If they'd have stayed out of it then once Britain was ****ed, America would have been incinerated from all sides.


Who knows? Germany and the USSR could have gotten locked in a looooong war and basically destroyed each other. Assuming Britain was taken out quickly.


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Also: ICQ¬!¬!¬!!!!!!!!!!!


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Check yer 101120232020121112011013 account thingy.
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Left on it's own britain would probably have fell unless it could have drawn the battle out into a prolong war of decades.  And of that I am doubtful.

America did not win the war, it was the help they provided to the british and later the other allied nations that helped to win the war.

America did not develop the nuke on its own.  It was a combination of british and american teams working together with the aid of stolen plans for a possible nuclear device (plans stolen by british intel).

Unlike the film U-571, it was not americans who stole the sub but a team of british intelligence officers several of which where killed in the attempt.

Had WW2 been prolonged and without america's aid britain would have probably eventually lost.  And despite C-Hills speech Britain would have eventually had to surrender given Nazi tactics at the time.  Development of the V2 would have been a major factor if it had been given time to be used.  Add to that the various chemical weapons germany was developing for the V2 and you understand why despite our 'stiff upper lip' we would have had to surrender.

But fortunately, things turned out the way they did and we're all oe big happy family.... most of the time.  :)
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ah, let this be a lesson to everyone to listen for ICQ alert sounds

 

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1) Britain only took so long to declare war because our prime minister at the time felt guilty about the Versailles treaty (though it's interesting to note that Winston Churchill was saying in the House of Commons that Hitler was bad news since 1935 odd). Also, no government wants to declare a war, and as someone said before, the horrors of WW1 were still in peoples minds.
 Intriguingly, the politicians of the time considered Russia to be a bigger threat...
2) It goes like this:
a) Britains position without American involvment at all: Starved to submission
b) Britains position with American logistical support: Stalemate, small chance of victory by cooperating with the Russians.
c) All three- victory.

What people seem to be overlooking is that it wasn't just American scientists working on the Manhattan Project, directly or indirectly, it would have been impossible without the British imput (look at Rutherfords alpha particle scattering experiment for example- without that we'd still think atoms looked like a deformed plum-pudding!). Also the Russians had a large amount of spies in the Manhattan project, which is why they developed their own nukes so quickly.
 The Battle of Britain and 90% of the African campaign was British success only, though to me it seems that the war in the Pacific vs Japan would have been lost without American intervention, though I confess I know much less about that than the European and Pacific theatre.
 As for American involvment without Britain, I would point several things out to you:
 At the start of WW2, the American Army consisted of a small amount of men and something like 15 WW1 tanks (A British invention of course ;)).
 When the U-Boats attacked the Eastern Seabord, the devastation was massive. In the convoys across the Atlantic, the British, American and Canadian, yes CANADIAN (I feel no one quite appreciates how much of a role THEY played in WW2, a suprisingly significant one) escorts were not only preventing sinkings in the convoys but sinking U-Boats at a relativly high rate.
 However, the arrogant US Navy wouldn't even consider forming coastal convoys, and innocent people payed the massive price.
 In operation Drumbeat, a massive amount of American shipping was destroyed for the cost of NO U-Boats sunk, one dissapeared. Everytime the Germans sank a ship, the American news would say they sank it when in fact they didn't sink one in the original Drumbeat operation.
Don't get me started on this- it's one of my hobbies and I could talk about it for hours.
 Finally though, it is true that the Germans had the best overall tanks, the Allies only had weight of numbers and mobility on their side. However th British Army did have a tank that not only had front armour that could turn a Tiger 88mm shell but could actually penetrate the frontal armour of a Tiger- the Churchill VIII. It's front armour was actually thicker than that of a Tiger tanks. Unfortunatly, the Standard Allied tank was the Sherman M4... with paper thin armour and a crap 75mm gun, it did eventually evolve into a better tank, but it cost many lives before it got there.

 One last note on the subject of Tanks... the Abrams isn't the best tank in the World, the British challenger 2 is. And as for the Abrams being "All American", I have only 2 words for you:
 Chobham Armour. Spelt with a U.
 And it's Al-U-Minium, not Alooooominum. Get it right :P

Edit: U-571 was a travesty of history.
 As a note: Us brits had cracked every single German code except for the naval one until a British Destroyer (I think it was the Bulldog- no time to look at the mo) blew a German U-Boat to the surface, sent a boarding party and actually took not only the enigma machine but all the the codes as well. We kept breaking the codes on a daily basis until doenitz introduced the 4 rotor version- he was the only person who thought the transmissions might be cracked, even Rommel didn't suspect it and tore his staff apart looking for traitors.
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Sorry to break it to you, but the Abrams uses depleated uranium as it's chief defense.  Also, the British inventing the tank isnt a good thing, it was just another way to kill more people on both sides faster.

 

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Silly British, had to go and making killing easier