[an0n]

In short. Britain kicks ass at everything but lacks the sheer ability to mass produce things, which America excels at.

[Blue Lion]

No....we kill things very well.....very well

[The Claw]

Originally posted by Blue Lion
No....we kill things very well.....very well

 Yeah... but we're better.
Put whatever US special forces you like verses the SAS, and they will get their rear ends torn off and posted back home every single time.
 While you go for numbers, we go for superior training. Take the operation in Sri Lanka I think it was a coupla years back- something like 41 guerrilla fighters (all veterans AFAIK) taken out by a small British strike team which suffered 1 casualty.
 And if I am wrong about the Abrams, I apologise, but I could have sworn it used Chobham Armour. Doesn't matter much anyways since nowadays it's more about who gets in the first shot than who has the thicker armour.

[an0n]

*wonders if he truly has killed the WW2 discussion*
*looks around*
W00t.

Okay:

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[Blue Lion]

Originally posted by The Claw

 Yeah... but we're better.
 

I'll refute that remark, Americans probably kill more people than any other nation's population

[elorran]

Lion has a point, britain kills things well.

You can beat a biritish gunner for skill.

The challenger is one of the best in the world, though I'd place it on par with the Abrams since the Abrams has the better onboard targeting tech.   Though the chellenger 2 has total chobham armour coverage and a 360 degree turret with no rotation limits.

Only select models of the Abrams use DP armour and DP is now being pulled from active service in light of possible radiation effects to infantry and person.  There was a big thing in Britain about is the other year which got the Royal Navy to start phasing it's DU shells out.  Several other services and nations quickly followed suit including many american forces.  DU armour is actually unsafe if it's pieced because the particles from the armour break up and float in the air... poisonous and difficult to breathe.  And it can be pieced more easilly than people say.

Dense matterials aren't always the best materials to use for armour.  DU is one such case.

The Abrams used 66% chobham armour on it's forward plating and something like 45-50% on the rest of the armour.

[CP5670]

Actually, the funny thing is that, more than people of any other single nationality, it was actually the Germans (who had fled Germany) that were working on it.

Also, today's military machine essentially operates on long range cruise missiles, so it makes almost no difference who has better trained soldiers, stronger tanks, or whatever; only whoever has the best technology for their warheads.

And it's Al-U-Minium, not Alooooominum. Get it right

webster.com says otherwise.

[The Claw]

webster.com says otherwise.

Our language, play it by our rules As for every other Americanised spelling, I refer to the Oxford English Dictionary.

I'll refute that remark, Americans probably kill more people than any other nation's population

 Ummm... no. Though I have to admit your country does kill a hell of a lot of people. It's just the people you kill are mostly Americans as well. From the country where the largest killer of young people, excepting cars, is guns.

[Blue Lion]

Well then tell me who kills more? Directly or indirectly, americans are responsible for the deaths of lots of people.

[CP5670]

nah, we like to make our own rules. Actually, what would really be a step forward is if English was replaced by math as the standard language around here.

[Blue Lion]

But math sucks

[The Claw]

Blue Lion, I'm not disputing the fact that directly or indirectly America kills more than most other countries. What I am saying though is that most of the victims are American. And it's no title worth fighting for.

Originally posted by CP5670
nah, we like to make our own rules. Actually, what would really be a step forward is if English was replaced by math as the standard language around here.

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[Blue Lion]

Originally posted by The Claw
Blue Lion, I'm not disputing the fact that directly or indirectly America kills more than most other countries. What I am saying though is that most of the victims are American. And it's no title worth fighting for.

And I never argued either point

[CP5670]

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[The Claw]

Wasn't there an article on the net a little while back along the lines of "Hackers often use numbers to replace letters, thus making a language that takes government officials time to crack, giving the hacker time to cover his tracks"- horse crap!
 I even heard there were plans for banning the substitution of letters with numbers- making it illegal. Only the EU. The same people that said our bananas have to have a certain angle of bend and that we can no longer plant English Oak Trees... they have to be German... I mean WTF?!?!

[Blue Lion]

See? It's not just America

[CODEDOG ND]

2) America didn't even join the war until they were directly attacked. They didn't care that millions of Jews were being slaughtered
 

First, America didn't join the war because in the American Eyes WW1 was a waste of American lives for a forgien war.  America at the time did not want to go to war with the Axis Powers unless being directly attacked, note the heavy peace talks with Japan before Pearl Harbor.   Europe may have been a great victory to France, Britian, and some of the other countries, but America's view was that is was a waste, and that is why America was hesistating to go fight another European War.  I'm sorry, but you can't predict the future.  Nobody knew this was going to happen.

Second, the Western World did not know about the camps.  Yea rumors are a dime a dozen, but there was no hard evidence until the Allies liberated the camps.  Once again, how are you supposed to know the future, or what Hitler was exactly doing.

[ShadowWolf_IH]

The irony of this being that Hitler was trying to find a well known scientist at the time, one who could actually build a nuke.That's no so ironic, the ironic part is that the scientist was jewish.  his name?  Oh you may have heard of him, Albert Einstein.

And for what's worth about America not wanting to get involved in WW2:  The fleet always met in San Francisco, that year they moved the fleet to Pearl, not because it was a more defensible position, because it isn't, but to entice the Japanese to attack it.  Not in the harbor itself, but on the high seas while enroute.  Imagine how threatening it must have been for them to know our fleet was heading for a perfect staging area?  Don't you think our government thought of this along time ago?  We baited them.  We didn't expect an attack on Pearl, and when it came it was more devastating than we could have imagined.  1500 lives lost.  2400 american lives in d day.  Now i'm not going to whine about it, but before 9-11, those were the two most horrific death tolls due to any battle America has fought in, with the exception of the Battle of Gettysburg.  How many people died in 9-11?  more than both those battles combined.  The facts are simple, if we had stopped Hitler in Poland in 1939, there wouldn't have been a WW2, and if we had stopped osama in the 80's 9-11 wouldn't have happened.  We sit here and console ourselves into thinking that we are the greatest nation on earth, meanwhile, we allow innocents to die while we wait for someone to come into our backyard.  Part of what i always thought we stood for was high ground.  Not literal high ground, but moral high ground.  My daughter says that people in the armed forces are knights because protect innocent people, she's 4 by the way.  A four year old understands innocense.  I won't be reading this post anymore.  This damned thing hurts.  

Somewhere in here we lost sight.  The wanton waste of human life is a tragedy.  Israel and Palestine are at war, but that war is far from conventional.  Remember that the holy lands are holy to two religeons.  That's what the war is all about.  It's a holy war,  And in the name of their god, men will perform greater atrocities than they will in the name of their mother.  

And that's all i have for you.

[CP5670]

2) America didn't even join the war until they were directly attacked. They didn't care that millions of Jews were being slaughtered

That makes perfect sense; see the following quote:

COUNTRIES & THIER GOVERNMENTS EXIST TO PROTECT THIER POPULATION.

the irony of this being that Hitler was trying to find a well known scientist at the time, one who could actually build a nuke.That's no so ironic, the ironic part is that the scientist was jewish.  his name?  Oh you may have heard of him, Albert Einstein.

Yeah, that was one of the stupid things Hitler did; many of the Jews would have otherwise fought for Germany and he might have benefited from them.

[Grey Wolf]

The reason he kicked the Jews out of Germany was because he was using that as a point to unite the country. He used the deap-seated Anti-semitism that remained from the Middle Ages to his advantage. I don't agree with that at all, but it was an effective tactic.