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Re: Time to get gay married
And it's about time too.
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I was expecting it to be another 3-5 years myself.
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About time. Another success for separation of church and state, and for equality.

 

Offline FlamingCobra

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This is not a success for separation of church and state. It is the opposite.

Marriage is a religious institution, and by ruling on it the Supreme Court has ****ed the first amendment. What they should have done was said that priests and pastors are free to refuse to marry same-sex couples, but same-sex couples have a right to a civil union with all the benefits of a marriage.
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What they should have done was said that priests and pastors are free to refuse to marry same-sex couples, but same-sex couples have a right to a civil union with all the benefits of a marriage.
Except that is exactly what they did. As far as I figured out, religions are still fully entitled to refuse same-sex marriage. Civil union is often called marriage ("civil marriage" in Poland, as opposed to "church marriage"), which is what I guess they've been referring to. It's just a matter of terminology. You still can't force a church to carry out a marriage it disagrees with.

 

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Also, the twitter feeds about people wanting to move to Canada because of it...
Man, the stupidity of some people. Wait, sorry, ignorance. Naw, stupidity.
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That article was very confusing. Language is everything.

 

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I will agree that I would have preferred that we ended up with no legal thing called marriage, but because that was a thing and it had been separated from religion this was the right call. no one is going to force maraiges that go against a given church to be performed by that church.

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^ Well...that escalated quickly.

*looks outside*  Huh...no fire and brimstone raining from the heavens, no earthquakes or tidal waves or Godzilla invasions.  Who knew?

 

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Typical americans, always getting the cool toys last... :D

 

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Marriage is a religious institution, and by ruling on it the Supreme Court has ****ed the first amendment. What they should have done was said that priests and pastors are free to refuse to marry same-sex couples, but same-sex couples have a right to a civil union with all the benefits of a marriage.

Bull****.  Marriage ceased to be a religious institution the moment two non-religious people could get married, or someone could legally marry by getting a mail-in certificate or fifteen minutes on the internet.  I have seen exactly zero metaphorical torches and pitchforks condemning the union of two athiests.

And FYI, priests and pastros are free to refuse to marry whoever the **** they don't want to.  The problem here is that it was not possible to obtain marriage licenses for same-sex couples from the government offices.

tl;dr **** right the hell off religion had nothing to do with this decision.

 

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^ Well...that escalated quickly.

*looks outside*  Huh...no fire and brimstone raining from the heavens, no earthquakes or tidal waves or Godzilla invasions.  Who knew?

Remark reminds me of the Onion
http://www.theonion.com/articleslideshow/gay-marriage-in-america-the-march-to-destroy-tradi-37126

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Thing is, even the idea that marriage is a 'religious' act is fraught with confusion in the first place. It is, for the main part, a social act, it roughly translates to 'this man/woman belong me!', and has grown outward into a ceremony from there, like so many other rites that probably date back as far as civilization.

Yes, religion is almost inevitably involved, but more as a vessel to come up with a show, whether it is the blessings of Hapi as you sail down a Golden Barge in the Nile, waiting to become the partner of an Egyptian Pharaoh (and because all etchings depicted all Pharaohs as male, there's very little guide about the marriage principles of ancient Egypt) or a Mayan farmworker at the local shrine being cut in sensitive places by a lower priest as a symbol of wedlock to the woodcutters' daughter, religion just does the pomp and circumstance (or -cize in the case of the Mayans).

To say that marriage is the property of a specific set of religious values suggests there is only one kind of 'real' marriage, which is, oddly enough, also a violation of Freedom of Speech.

In this case, the Goverment takes the place of a religion in 'sanctifying' the wedding with it's own holy sacrament... paperwork. All the law really does is instate that in law so that the institution of 'being married' has to be respected, just as if it were performed in a Church, a Mosque or a Gurdwara.
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Being a Californian I can't even make new jokes about this. They've been done before. Do you know how many times I've watched a friend's brain hard-reboot when they made a "we should get married!"/"why don't you marry them!" joke since 2013 and pointing out that's actually possible?
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You still can't force a church to carry out a marriage it disagrees with.
no one is going to force maraiges that go against a given church to be performed by that church.
And FYI, priests and pastros are free to refuse to marry whoever the **** they don't want to.

Who wants to bet this will no longer be the case in five years?


*looks outside*  Huh...no fire and brimstone raining from the heavens, no earthquakes or tidal waves or Godzilla invasions.  Who knew?

Ah, you're too impatient.  Wait one generation and look outside again.


Marriage ceased to be a religious institution the moment two non-religious people could get married, or someone could legally marry by getting a mail-in certificate or fifteen minutes on the internet.  I have seen exactly zero metaphorical torches and pitchforks condemning the union of two athiests. [...] The problem here is that it was not possible to obtain marriage licenses for same-sex couples from the government offices.

In this case, the Goverment takes the place of a religion in 'sanctifying' the wedding with it's own holy sacrament... paperwork. All the law really does is instate that in law so that the institution of 'being married' has to be respected, just as if it were performed in a Church, a Mosque or a Gurdwara.

Quoting both of these for truth.  This is correct and needs to be more widely understood.  Marriage licenses are a fairly recent development, civilizationally speaking.

 

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You still can't force a church to carry out a marriage it disagrees with.
no one is going to force maraiges that go against a given church to be performed by that church.
And FYI, priests and pastros are free to refuse to marry whoever the **** they don't want to.

Who wants to bet this will no longer be the case in five years?


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Is there any jurisdiction in the world where Priests are legally required to marry anyone?

You cannot refuse services based on gender or race, even if it is a private business. So something like that is not unthinkable. There is a big slippery slope. I am all for gay marriage, but I think Id rather have it by honest voting and not this judicial activism. Anyway, what about affirmative action, so the government cannot discriminate when it comes to marriage but it can discriminate when it comes to employment or schools? The hypocrisy is still palpable.
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Is there any jurisdiction in the world where Priests are legally required to marry anyone?

You cannot refuse services based on gender or race, even if it is a private business. So something like that is not unthinkable. There is a big slippery slope. I am all for gay marriage, but I think Id rather have it by honest voting and not this judicial activism. Anyway, what about affirmative action, so the government cannot discriminate when it comes to marriage but it can discriminate when it comes to employment or schools? The hypocrisy is still palpable.

Name A SINGLE JURISDICTION ON THIS PLANET where, after gay marriage was introduced, a law forcing priests to marry everyone regardless of the requirements of their religion was later introduced.

A. SINGLE. ****ING. ONE.

This slippery slope argument is bull****.
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There are, in fairness, some wrinkles that need ironing out, I've heard people talking about the 'Gay Cake' issue (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32913283), which is a bit of a two-edged sword in my eyes, I would not, for example, go into a Muslim cake-shop and ask for Baklavas with little icing suicide bombers on them, but then, I wonder how 'often' the store defines its Christianity, if it had been called something like 'Gods Christian Cakeshop', would the customers have looked elsewhere for service? Sometimes keeping your religion under the counter like a shotgun can lead to confusion if you are going to use it as a part of the terms and conditions of service.

That said, Churches and Priests are different, they are the very epitome of those religious beliefs and you wouldn't be able to force them to conduct gay marriage, it would be illogical to the point where it's like saying a jobless, penniless person could sue a bank manager for refusing to give them a loan because it's 'discrimination' against the poor...