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Offline 666maslo666

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What some court says has little influence on my personal opinion of what the law *should* be. As others said, you are arguing from legalism and that is a really weak argument.

Roe vs. Wade has drawn the line on viability. It is not a bad decision for now, however Id prefer some kind of brain development threshold instead. Also, as medical science advances, foetuses will become viable earlier and earlier. Sooner or later abortion will once again be open for bans at any stage of pregnancy in the US. Dont expect Roe vs. Wade to be the end of this debate.
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Re: Planned Parenthood sells aborted baby body parts (Warning: NSF Younglings)
"a compromise was created 3 decades ago, thus it must never again be challenged or discussed"
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Offline Luis Dias

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I was going to ignore all of this as I had said, but now deathfun surprised me and gave me a repeat of his legalistic argument, but now in a font size 36 paragraph and now I am totally devastated. I mean, how on earth could I disagree with a 36 pt font sized argument.

 
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i found a compelling video that has made me rethink my pro-abortion stance

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Offline deathfun

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Dont expect Roe vs. Wade to be the end of this debate.

Given it wasn't the end forty years ago, I don't expect there ever to be an end

Primarily because it's easier to disagree than it is to accept a compromise and *accept someone else's views* while not *having to change your own*

I think I already said that actually. But one thing is for certain, everyone here disagrees with me and my saying "You know, the law created is actually pretty logical. It creates a guideline, accepts both sides, and upholds people's right to privacy. But gosh darn it, that just isn't good enough for either side", so that's something you can all agree on. Why view a court case which discussed this debate and made laws which essentially created guidelines to follow. Na, may as well just keep sticking our pro-life noses in people's private lives. Who cares if that infringes on someone's right to privacy.

So a few questions then:
Is abortion wrong?
If no, your side already had its day in court, it prevailed, no need to delve further. It has since been a legal precedent for many years following that. Engaging in debate further simply creates a pointless ****storm
If yes - What do you want changed? Do you want outright abolition of abortion? If yes, then you're encroaching on other people's established rights and that typically doesn't end well (not to mention it's essentially going backwards in time).
If no, then what is it that you want? More definitive guidelines? How do you intend to make those? How do we intend to investigate that? How do you intend to actually put forth that change?

Putting up signs and standing outside abortion clinics does nothing to change anything, just pisses everyone off, makes the discussion more polarized, and nothing gets accomplished

You're all welcome to your opinions and disagreeing with the precedent that has been set, but also remember that the law isn't going to change simply because you take issue with it. I view that ruling as a nice logical compromise

But then again, emotions are irrational and logic gets thrown out the window. Forgot about that.

And yes the large font was overkill.


In conclusion, the position was a compromise. The world would benefit entirely if people actually *listened* to compromises considering *that's the entire point of making them*. To make both sides equally unhappy because they actually have to *work together* to benefit *everyone as a whole* as opposed to *just themselves* and their own self righteous thoughts of how things should actually be, because **** those who lose out on their inherent rights
"No"

 

Offline Luis Dias

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"Encroaching on other people's established rights" is what changing laws implies, half of the time. This is not extraordinary, it's the opposite of it.
"going backwards in time" - the hell does that even mean. It's not even wrong of a sentence. It implies something to go "forward", which also already assumes the direction that is considered "forward" or "backward", but the problem here is precisely that two groups fundamentally disagree on this very direction.
"Putting up signs (...) just pisses everyone off" - well, tell that to every social movement in History.
"the law isn't going to change simply because you take issue with it" - and me thinking the laws were made by people for the people. Silly me, I guess they are rather granted by the Heavens!
"I view that ruling as a nice logical compromise" - Well congratulations, that's a remarkable feat that your brain did. Other brains disagree. Tough luck.


I don't really regard Roe vs Wade as a "compromise", but as a complete victory by one side. I'm not bothered, but to dismiss people who disagree because the law is the law is the law, and a "compromise" was "reached" is just ridiculous beyond belief. People will have their own beliefs and political views. It's our duty to respect this brute fact of life. Deal with it.

 

Offline deathfun

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Re: Planned Parenthood sells aborted baby body parts (Warning: NSF Younglings)
The reasoning behind the law was just, and that is why I'm using the law as an argument

Luis, what do you figure is a compromise then? If Roe vs Wade wasn't one, then what *is*
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"No"

 

Offline Luis Dias

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So argue the reasoning, not the fact that there is a law. Sigh.

It is indeed a compromise, it's just not one that some people accept. Just because there's a word "compromise" in there, it does not follow that everyone on either side goes on board with it.

 

Offline deathfun

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I don't really regard Roe vs Wade as a "compromise",
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It is indeed a compromise, it's just not one that some people accept

So you're indeed saying it's a compromise, just one that some people don't like
Which is what almost all compromises have as a result. It pleases the majority, while the minority can go ahead and disagree


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So argue the reasoning, not the fact that there is a law. Sigh.

I did, in more words than required which muddled the discussion as pointed out here, "The Court decision is a compromise between the two sides of the argument."

Some folks interpreted it differently, etc, now we're here, cleared that up
"No"

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Yes, I recanted that opinion regarding compromise. I was wrong in my assessment. My problem with your take is not whether if it's true that some people looked at both sides of the issue and considered a compromise. This is not an argument, it's not a discussion, it's just a brute historical fact. That this legal compromise was reached, everyone knows it. Also, everyone knows it too that we are not bound to think the same manner as they did. That it is in fact useful or interesting to ponder these issues by ourselves. And by "issues", it's not that there was a ruling or a compromise, but the issues inherent in that discussion.

Do you understand the difference? Banging on on how this particular decision by a particular court by a particular country happened is *not* a valid argument in any discussion that we were having whatsoever. It's merely, again, a *fact*.

I say this and for good this time, I promise: I won't repeat myself. I won't touch this legalistic viewpoint again.

 

Offline deathfun

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Also, everyone knows it too that we are not bound to think the same manner as they did.

Which raises the question
Just what is everyone trying to accomplish with this discussion
"No"

 

Offline Luis Dias

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What kind of question is that? What is any GenDisc thread "trying to accomplish"?

 

Offline deathfun

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Usually discussions are trying to convince someone of something else

Otherwise, what's the point in having the discussion

Which is what I initially said three pages ago. What's the point in having this discussion
"No"

 

Offline zookeeper

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I try to convince people to use arguments which aren't inherently incapable of convincing whom they're intended for, so that there'd be more of rational discussion and less pointless bickering.

 

Offline Luis Dias

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http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/29/why-planned-parenthood-cant-donate-tissue-from-harvested-babies/

This is getting into gruesome levels. And before anyone squirms at the right wing source of this, I ask you, why on earth isn't the liberal media reporting on it as it should be? They are leaving us out in the cold here.

 

Offline 666maslo666

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Again, does anyone know what is the time frame here? Because if we are talking about first trimester fetuses, then I do not believe they even have any capacity to suffer and therefore it does not matter how they are aborted. But if we are talking about third trimester fetuses, then those are really like little babies and dismembering them while alive would be outrageous. Second trimester is a grey area. I just cant get properly outraged without that piece of information..
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Re: Planned Parenthood sells aborted baby body parts (Warning: NSF Younglings)
http://www.babycentre.co.uk/pregnancy-week-by-week

Although we don't know what stage PP was talking, you have to assume it was a bit later if the organs being discussed were to have much practical use, correct?

 

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Offline Luis Dias

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It is a very relevant question indeed. Unfortunately, I don't believe PP will come with any answers here, and the liberal media seems utterly uninterested in pressing for any of it.

 
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I wish there were nonpartisan media outlets. As it is, I content myself with reading forums, especially ones not directly related to politics. <steps down from soapbox>