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Offline karajorma

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http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34118482

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A campaign has been launched calling for a ban on the development of robots that can be used for sex.

Such a use of the technology is unnecessary and undesirable, said campaign leader Dr Kathleen Richardson.

Sex dolls already on the market are becoming more sophisticated and some are now hoping to build artificial intelligence into their products.

Those working in the field say that there is a need for such robots.

Dr Richardson, a robot ethicist at De Montfort University in Leicester, wants to raise awareness of the issue and persuade those developing sex robots to rethink how their technology is used.

"Sex robots seem to be a growing focus in the robotics industry and the models that they draw on - how they will look, what roles they would play - are very disturbing indeed," she told the BBC.

She believes that they reinforce traditional stereotypes of women and the view that a relationship need be nothing more than physical.

"We think that the creation of such robots will contribute to detrimental relationships between men and women, adults and children, men and men and women and women," she said.


I do love the way that the article concentrates on women being devalued given that we know that as soon as they invent a male robot that can trap spiders and open jars it's the guys who will be obsolete. :p
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so what happens when 2 sex bots meet?
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Probably nothing. While some people might be willing to visit the uncanny value for sex, I doubt they'd stay there for the show.
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Dr. Kathleen Richardson: "Stop liking what I dont like!"  :rolleyes:
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A sexbot is probably the only way I'm going to score these days, so I say bring it on.

 

Offline Dragon

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We've made machines to move for us, then machines to think for us, now we're trying to make machines that have sex with us. Nihil novi sub sole. We're automating everything these days, why would sex be any different?

Aside from that, I don't think that we're going to have AI as smart as a real woman anytime soon. That means many men will finally be able to find a woman on the same intellectual level as them. Freeing actual women for us, nerds smart guys. :) Also, since idiots are so numerous and genders have a roughly 50/50 split, it would mean a surplus of women (increasing evolutionary pressure on them) and stop stupid men from procreating, thereby increasing humanity's average intelligence over a few generations. :) I say, go for it.

 

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This is totally expected, and typical of the sex-negative feminist type of reaction. Sex bots are the complete rendering of sexual objectification of women, women as nothing more than objects that a male is an owner of and can control, nothing more than a sexual tool for their pleasures. According to this idea, these kind of sexbots are teaching men how to treat real women, and this is obviously detrimental to women in the sense that we will have trained men into dealing with women as "bots", as "objects".

Now, one can be paranoid and think that what is going on here is the exact opposite, that it is a certain strain of feminists who are fearful of losing a certain kind of monopoly on being objects of desire. I suspect some of that might be going on in the subconscious of these people, but it is an undeterminate hypothesis, so let's leave it aside.

What should (always) be obvious (but never is) is that the above effect mentioned about diminishing the image of women is not the only side effect of this. What also happens (as it happened with porn, perhaps?) is that a lot of people's needs, some of whom otherwise would need to resort to violence or other insane means, will have been satisfied, and that is probably meaning that there will be a downward number of actual sexual violence towards women (as it has been happening for a decade or two now).

There's a certain aspect of the critique that is indeed interesting, namely, that there is a downward spiral towards meaninglessness in regards to sexuality with all these "tools" that we have or will have available. And that meaninglessness can indeed pervert the value we see between each other, increase the ways in which we stop caring or needing to be with each other, and instead resort to "relieve" ourselves with machines, tools, the internet, whatever. This wider effect can, indeed, devalue women themselves in the eyes of the users of these sexbots in this manner.

So there are these bigger points, but I gotta say, the nerve of these women trying to stop men from having a new "toy" for their own private pleasures is astounding. Can anyone imagine the reverse? Someone developing a manbot and a group of men's activists telling the scientists to stop researching that toy for women (and of course gays, but let's put that aside too, since the criticism has been heteronormative from the start) because that would "demean the value and image of men everywhere"? They would be ridiculed from every single roof top.

 

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So let me get this straight. Sex bots will make women devalued. Implying that a woman's only value is sex...
...right...  :wtf:
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So there are these bigger points, but I gotta say, the nerve of these women trying to stop men from having a new "toy" for their own private pleasures is astounding. Can anyone imagine the reverse? Someone developing a manbot and a group of men's activists telling the scientists to stop researching that toy for women (and of course gays, but let's put that aside too, since the criticism has been heteronormative from the start) because that would "demean the value and image of men everywhere"? They would be ridiculed from every single roof top.

Well it's just a spin-off of the whole "Girl with a vibrator - She's just expressing her sexuality, Guy with a fleshlight - He's obviously a pervert who can't get women" thing that is pretty much accepted by society these days.

Funny thing is that I saw a program on Real Dolls a while ago and the guys who bought them were in the middle of a full-fledged relationship with them. I do sometimes wonder if the interest in a sex robot is less to have a sex companion but more to have a companion when you want one. i.e one who you can then forget about when you have other things you want to do.
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Well it's just a spin-off of the whole "Girl with a vibrator - She's just expressing her sexuality, Guy with a fleshlight - He's obviously a pervert who can't get women" thing that is pretty much accepted by society these days.

There's no zilimeter of an argument here, just an appeal to populism: "Ah what are you gonna do, this is how society thinks". Feminism would be dead cold on your hands if you think about it.

It's nonsense. And it's especially nonsense if it comes from a self-identified egalitarian who fights for equality of gender (I mean, the woman in question). Either we are to have sympathy towards men and some of the most ... ahhh... peculiar niche needs that some of them have, or we are not. I say we should be. We should definitely try to understand these men, instead of arguing exactly how much of all these men's activities that in no way intersect with anything any woman is doing is actually hurting the other sex.

But isn't that curious? The question is not "Is there a problem in men? Is this a subset, a product of isolation, of social anxiety, of depression? How can we figure this out, and let's see if there are problems here, let's see how can we help".

No, you see, the problem is how this affects women. Because of course, I mean, everything else pales in comparison to the importance of how this "devalues" the perception of women. This utter lack of comprehension, sympathy is what I take from all this chapter. And it reinforces in my head on how certain "protesters" out there are just outright narcissist douchebags incapable of the slightest of humanity. They have substituted it for their "Cause", and by god they will win it.

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Funny thing is that I saw a program on Real Dolls a while ago and the guys who bought them were in the middle of a full-fledged relationship with them. I do sometimes wonder if the interest in a sex robot is less to have a sex companion but more to have a companion when you want one. i.e one who you can then forget about when you have other things you want to do.

Yeah, I see that and other questions here too. I mean, in a way, I see Dragon's point. Some men are just obsessed with sex, and it's not their fault. It's probably hurting their lives as well. Dolls could serve as a relief system without all the hurdles real women can give. Again, this might be pointing to a future of isolated people. And again, that's the important angle of attack on these news: what is the end result of what happens to these men? Is this pointing to a healthier future, or a crazier, more isolated one? Are these dolls like a good therapy or like a pathological drug? What happens to relationships?

 

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Well it's just a spin-off of the whole "Girl with a vibrator - She's just expressing her sexuality, Guy with a fleshlight - He's obviously a pervert who can't get women" thing that is pretty much accepted by society these days.

There's no zilimeter of an argument here, just an appeal to populism: "Ah what are you gonna do, this is how society thinks". Feminism would be dead cold on your hands if you think about it.

Where did I say that it was a good thing that society seems to accept that idiotic double standard? I think I pretty much implied that it was a bad thing.
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I stand corrected, I read the tone of your comments in a 180 degrees of your intent.

 

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Someone should mail this woman an 11" dildo and ask her why she isn't protesting that.
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It would be funny if the first product was released fitted out with male features
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Oh, great. Who let a social anthropologist into the engineering department again?

It would be funny if the first product was released fitted out with male features
I'm sure it will be, seeing as the kinesiology of a man's contribution is much simpler and doesn't require fancy material engineering.

  

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Well that part's already been done (i.e. fleshlight), so maybe not.
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