[Sandwich]

In the past few weeks there have been dozens of terror attacks by Palestinian and by Israeli Arabs - as well as a couple retaliatory attacks by Jewish terrorists against Arabs. Most days see at least 3 attacks or so. Most of the attacks have been stabbings with any implement that would cause damage - I just read last night that one of the weapons was a vegetable peeler.

My wife just woke me up a few minutes ago in tears, with the news that in the neighborhood just east of us there was a shooting where 8 people were seriously injured.

There's so much to say about this situation I don't know where to begin, but as usual whenever the Crazyometer around here hits 11, I felt like posting and letting you all know.

Local news sources (in English):
www.ynetnews.com
www.timesofisrael.com
www.jpost.com (warning: ad-heavy site is ad-heavy)

Map of attacks (not just recent ones though):
http://mapme.com/israel-terrorist-attacks

[Grizzly]

Somethings tells me that this will be yet another "Bringing guns to a knifefight" escalation.

[T-Man]

Nothing I can really say that's not a given (stay safe, hope you and family are okay), but thanks for letting us know your OK and keep us posted.

[headdie]

Thats pretty ****ty, hope you and your loved ones continue to stay safe man

[Sandwich]

Somethings tells me that this will be yet another "Bringing guns to a knifefight" escalation.

? The attack in the neighborhood near me was a combo shooting-stabbing, apparently.

[Grizzly]

Somethings tells me that this will be yet another "Bringing guns to a knifefight" escalation.

? The attack in the neighborhood near me was a combo shooting-stabbing, apparently.

I'm more referring to the snowballing effect that these things tend to have, with incidents escalating into all out war, just like they have in the past years.

[Sandwich]

I'm more referring to the snowballing effect that these things tend to have, with incidents escalating into all out war, just like they have in the past years.

Ahh, yes, quite possible. 

Here's a crowdsourced map of the attacks: http://mapme.com/israel-terrorist-attacks

[est1895]

Hi Sandwich.  I did not know you lived in Israel.  Have you seen the new checkpoints being built?

[Veers]

Just do your best to stay safe, I've only been hearing dribs and drabs of reports on the attacks as, I guess what is 'mainstream' media hasn't reported any here (that I am aware of - Australia)

[est1895]

You probably already heard of this one Sandwich.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/terrorist-stabs-woman-70-outside-jerusalem-bus-station/

[Bobboau]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/15/middleeast/israel-palestinian-tensions/

[Sandwich]

Hi Sandwich.  I did not know you lived in Israel.  Have you seen the new checkpoints being built?

Jerusalem, Israel, yup. I haven't seen the new checkpoints, no, but I rarely travel outside the city (no driver's license).

You probably already heard of this one Sandwich.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/terrorist-stabs-woman-70-outside-jerusalem-bus-station/

Yes, of course. Hate to say it but that was just one of dozens. The latest is that the child terrorist that Mahmoud Abbas has been claiming Israel "executed" is alive and recovering in an Israeli hospital. Don't believe the lies, people.

[Sandwich]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/15/middleeast/israel-palestinian-tensions/

Something  that's probably not common knowledge WRT the last picture of that article's slideshow:


Caption: "Israeli soldiers aim their weapons toward Palestinian protesters during clashes in Bethlehem on October 12."

See those long, silencer-like extensions to the M16 rifles? Those are attachments for firing non-lethal (except at point-blank-ish range) rubber bullets. The rubber bullets come in a "tampon" (yes, that's what they're called) pack of 4 rubber cylinders wrapped in a thin plastic packaging. They're inserted into those extensions, and a special bullet without a projectile, similar to a blank, is used to fire them off. Propelling the 4 cylindrical rubber bullets with a single cartridge of gunpowder is what reduces the velocity of the projectiles and - along with the thick rubberized coating and non-aerodynamic shape - results in a non-lethal weapon.

[Grizzly]

nonless-lethal weapon.

Guns should never be considered "non lethal", not even when filled with beanbags or blanks.

[Dragon]

It's the friggin' grenade launcher I'd be more worried about (though admittedly, it's probably loaded with tear gas). It doesn't change the fact that the soldiers aren't exactly gentle with the protesters. They aren't shooting into the crowd with live rounds like Polish Milicja Obywatelska used to do 24 years ago (unless, that is, the Israeli "less than lethal" definition still includes the .22 round), but stuff that's happening is still far from what I'd call "civilized". Not that the Arabs are any better.

BTW, on that map, I noticed that there was an attack on a gay pride parade in Jerusalem (by an "ultra-orthodox" man, so probably Jewish, but it isn't stated), on July 30th. Freedom of sexuality is nice and all, but I think it's a bad time to paint a great big target on yourself for both fanatic groups...

[Bobboau]

nonless-lethal weapon.

Was going to make that correction myself. Not that it makes much difference, Israel would be getting treated the same if they were using full metal jacketed depleted uranium ammo.

[Turambar]

EDIT: Wups wrong thread.

If Israelis didnt want to deal with this stuff they should have decided to live elsewhere!

*drives off*

[Grizzly]

nonless-lethal weapon.

Was going to make that correction myself. Not that it makes much difference, Israel would be getting treated the same if they were using full metal jacketed depleted uranium ammo.

What if they were using full uranium jackated depleted uranium ammo?

[Dragon]

Was going to make that correction myself. Not that it makes much difference, Israel would be getting treated the same if they were using full metal jacketed depleted uranium ammo.

Well, at least the police themselves are not killing protesters. The Israeli citizens, however, are a different story. And the government isn't exactly telling them to stand down and stop the bloodshed.

Also, I wonder who had the bright idea to demolish houses of the attackers? If there's one way to make Palestinians feel unwelcome, it's that. It's bad enough that Israel essentially flips them off with their "Jewish State" ideology. Now they're literally destroying their homes. I wonder how long will it be until someone proposes sending them to "work camps". To think that Jews were the oppressed ones so recently...

What I find really disgusting is that Israel is behaving like this land was theirs by some divine right and other people who were there before them were pest (from what I've heard from people that actually went there, many actually believe this "Holy Land" BS). They act like barbarians from Biblical times, but try (rather poorly) to disguise themselves as a 1st world country. Israel is no "ancestral homeland" of theirs, they're all immigrants who essentially got sent there by the British. Until that attitude  changes, there will be no peace, only more atrocities.

[Bobboau]

well, at this point there really are not that many people on the planet who were anywhere before the state of Israel existed.