[est1895]

So here is more information:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_fvotWIF8s

And after hearing this message, I remember this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs5ZdmGNeR8

[Sandwich]

Interesting how most incidents seems to congregate around the warmer months, as well as on the weekends.

[Ghostavo]

It's when people have more free time and the weather is nicer. You wouldn't want to go on a shooting spree while it's raining now, wouldn't you?

[NGTM-1R]

I mean does that sound like somthing you think happened?

Could it have happened? Yeah, sure. I mean, it used to be downright commonplace. The local Klan guys perceive some darkies getting uppity and go get their buddies and wreck ****.

You've got some kind of mental block about spontaneous group violence, but it's not only entirely possible, it's actually pretty likely. You just miss the history of peaceful protest going violent, or the fact a lot of US history has occasional instances of people getting liquored up and shooting up their neighbor's houses for no good reason?

Ain't like groups add restraint when it comes to getting outraged. Usually the opposite.

Interesting how most incidents seems to congregate around the warmer months, as well as on the weekends.

You honestly seem surprised that criminals are like the rest of us when it comes to when they want to stay indoors. They're not aliens, man. Superbowl Sunday is literally the quietest day of the year in terms of crime, too. (Valentine's Day is the worst, in terms of SWAT callouts.)

[Bobboau]

So... are you saying that this guy was in the Islamic equivalent to the klan? If he was planning to attack somewhere, got pissed and decided "**** THE PLAN! IT ENDS TONIGHT!" I could see that. but at that point I think we are splitting hairs in what we are disagreeing about, and I think saying that was an impulsive act at that point is a bit inaccurate.

BTW, http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-main-20151203-story.html
lotsa pipe bombs'n stuff.

maybe I called it early, before I had enough evidence to justify it, but at this point I think it's starting to become undeniable that this was an Islamic terrorist attack, or close enough that any difference would be pedantic.

[jr2]

They had GoPros, over 5,000 rounds of ammo, pipe bombs, and something was said about their house being set up as an ID facility?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/03/2-suspects-killed-shootout-san-bernardino-massacre-14-killed/

(yes I know it's a Fox News link, you can search for the same  info elsewhere)

[Bobboau]

I had heard the rumor about the rc car bombs and gopros,

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

[SpardaSon21]

As a person living in Southern California, guns didn't cause this shooting.  Radical Islam did, and I want President Obama to shut the **** up about gun laws and call a spade a spade.

[Bobboau]

call a spade a spade.

...wouldn't have used that particular euphemism myself.

[SpardaSon21]

You are that guy, and you can shut the hell up too.  I doubt you're a target of all these executive actions on guns Obama takes due to being a firearms enthusiast and proficient shooter, on top of being a diagnosed high-functioning autistic.  I'm ****ing tired of feeling like a goddamn scapegoat.

[Bobboau]

yeah, I am being that guy, I'm usually not. just seemed like a poor choice of phrasing that's going to distract from the point you were trying to make, which is has. willing to just leave it at that and let you steer the conversation back to what you were saying because I agree with what you said.

[SpardaSon21]

I don't need to say anymore, just to cap off that as a responsible firearms owner and user I'm tired of getting treated as part of the problem, especially when California already has some of the strictest firearms laws in the country such as bans on magazines above ten rounds, various assault weapon bans, as well as all buyers and sellers need to perform background checks, but if those didn't stop this shooting, what the hell will?

EDIT: I forgot to mention the mandatory 10-day waiting period, too.

[Bobboau]

just found out friend of mine had a friend of a friend who died in this.

[jr2]

To add to my previous post about bump fire / semi-auto / etc, if you wanted to see full-auto, see here.

just found out friend of mine had a friend of a friend who died in this.

:/  Small world.  That sucks.

[SpardaSon21]

I'm very sorry to hear that, Bobboau.


Also, this from CBS news:
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/authorities-search-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/

A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.

Bet he wishes he did do some racial profiling at this point.

[Scotty]

I'm very sorry to hear that, Bobboau.


Also, this from CBS news:
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/authorities-search-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/

A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.

Bet he wishes he did do some racial profiling at this point.

What the **** does "A half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area" have anything to do with this?  The perpetrator was a US citizen, born and raised in the US.  He was not on the FBI watch list, and had exactly zero red flags for potential terrorist activity.  Are you seriously suggesting that we should automatically assume an entire broad group of people that are similar based on appearance and appearance alone are potential violent criminals and terrorists because of this?

**** off.

[jr2]

Well, he'd been to the Middle East recently IIRC, but I think it was Saudi Arabia.. which technically are allies but there's a lot of radicalism there that perhaps was influential.

[Bobboau]

@scotty, apparently he had been in contact with some people on FBI watch-lists, that's sorta red-flaggy.

[Scotty]

Well, he'd been to the Middle East recently IIRC, but I think it was Saudi Arabia.. which technically are allies but there's a lot of radicalism there that perhaps was influential.

It's also the one place on Earth that literally every single devout Muslim, violent or otherwise, must travel if they are physically and financially capable of doing so. So again: **** off.

@scotty, apparently he had been in contact with some people on FBI watch-lists, that's sorta red-flaggy.

Hadn't heard this yet.  Source?

[SpardaSon21]

I'm very sorry to hear that, Bobboau.


Also, this from CBS news:
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/authorities-search-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/

A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people.

Bet he wishes he did do some racial profiling at this point.

What the **** does "A half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area" have anything to do with this?  The perpetrator was a US citizen, born and raised in the US.  He was not on the FBI watch list, and had exactly zero red flags for potential terrorist activity.  Are you seriously suggesting that we should automatically assume an entire broad group of people that are similar based on appearance and appearance alone are potential violent criminals and terrorists because of this?

**** off.

If you'd bothered to read the article, you'd see the part immediately afterwards where he and his co-workers all thought the group of unknown men doing unknowing things was a suspicious activity, therefore this man chose not to report the suspicious activity based on their appearance and appearance alone.

Also, as a global moderator, you should under no circumstances be using that language in a civilized debate simply because you disagree with my statement.

Also, source for Bobboau: http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html