[GhylTarvoke]

BULL****, I was raised catholic too you know, in Italy is kinda difficult not to be and I actually followed the lessons instead of making paper planes.

Then explain to me why the Vatican endorses evolution, rather than adhering to YEC.

You can say it's different only if you attribute the literal interpretation of the Quran to all muslims instead of certain sects of the religion

That's exactly what I'm saying. (And what Oxford is saying.)

I'm dying to see how GhylTarvoke is going to claim that Catholics believe everything Jesus said wasn't the literal word of God.

Again with the strawmen and ignoring my posts? You're better than this.

First, you're referring to a specific part of the Bible. Second, Catholics obviously believe that Jesus spoke the literal word of God.

[Grizzly]

Two words:

SAINTS ROW

The so-called "censors" generally love that series, and last I checked it involved beating people to death with a purple dildo at some point.

Yeah, remember those critics just loving the Saints Row series?

You can tell the excitement from their words.

Since when is Anita Sarkeesian the entirety of games journalism? Volition took it with a lot of class.

[NGTM-1R]

Then explain to me why the Vatican endorses evolution, rather than adhering to YEC.

Christianity is not Catholicism. Roman Catholicism is not even a majority.

You are aware of this, yes?

Even if you are not, you should probably be aware that though the Vatican officially doesn't endorse Young Earth Creationism, there are any number of individual Catholics who will engage in endorsing YEC, King James-Only, Biblical Inerrancy, and all kinds of other stuff the Church itself would frown on. Start with the Society of Pius X for suspects. Last time I saw this polled about 20% of Catholics were on-board with the Bible as the literal word of God.

Once again you fail to grasp that religions are large tents.

[Ghostavo]

I placed the link because, for one she's currently the most visible game critic, and second, it's (almost) impossible for her not to find a game that has any form of nudity as "sexist" or "problematic" so I knew she would not find Saints Row "ok".

Thirdly, how about reading what I was responding to instead of going on a tangent. Regardless of either the game devs agreed with or not with the critic, Det. Bullock claimed that Saints Row was generally loved by "censors" and I responded with the most visible of those censors' opinion.

[Phantom Hoover]

Then explain to me why the Vatican endorses evolution, rather than adhering to YEC.

Christianity is not Catholicism. Roman Catholicism is not even a majority.

You are aware of this, yes?

Even if you are not, you should probably be aware that though the Vatican officially doesn't endorse Young Earth Creationism, there are any number of individual Catholics who will engage in endorsing YEC, King James-Only, Biblical Inerrancy, and all kinds of other stuff the Church itself would frown on. Start with the Society of Pius X for suspects. Last time I saw this polled about 20% of Catholics were on-board with the Bible as the literal word of God.

Once again you fail to grasp that religions are large tents.

What are the relative proportions of Christians and Muslims who believe their holy texts to be literally true?

[Luis Dias]

There's that too, you haven't really played it, did you? 

Because that's totally relevant

Since when is Anita Sarkeesian the entirety of games journalism? Volition took it with a lot of class.

Who has ever said Anita was "the entirety of games journalism", mr king of strawmans?

And that "amount of class" you refer to is the exact kind of "influence" we are talking about. It shouldn't exist. This girl is the "world's utmost expert in sexism in videogames", despite the fact she's probably the most ignorant piece of work regarding games themselves. She's an expert in being a troll and being taken seriously despite it. Devs are forced to play nice to this buffoon who got millions of dollars out of this guilt tripping industry without almost anything to show for it. And I do hope that the extent of her influence goes to just PR marketing words from dev teams "yeah yeah totes right she is, now if you don't mind we'll be over here making more *sexist* games", but I'm more inclined than not to doubt that.

Her influence on trashing one of the most harmless groups of people (gamers) as if they were the most heinous, sexist violent people in existence has been a terrible horrible endeavour, and for that I will never forgive either her or her cronies.

Thirdly, how about reading what I was responding to instead of going on a tangent.

Good luck with that request.

[Mongoose]

BULL****, I was raised catholic too you know, in Italy is kinda difficult not to be and I actually followed the lessons instead of making paper planes.

Then explain to me why the Vatican endorses evolution, rather than adhering to YEC.

There's a fundamental difference between believing that the Bible is the divinely-inspired word of God, and believing that every single word of it was meant literally and should be treated as such.  I suggest you look into it.

[AdmiralRalwood]

I placed the link because, for one she's currently the most visible game critic, and second, it's (almost) impossible for her not to find a game that has any form of nudity as "sexist" or "problematic" so I knew she would not find Saints Row "ok".

Thirdly, how about reading what I was responding to instead of going on a tangent. Regardless of either the game devs agreed with or not with the critic, Det. Bullock claimed that Saints Row was generally loved by "censors" and I responded with the most visible of those censors' opinion.

Since nobody involved is actually calling for censorship, you'll need to provide a criterion for what kind of person is actually being talked about for anyone to provide examples of that kind of person actually liking Saints Row.

There's that too, you haven't really played it, did you? 

Because that's totally relevant

Hmm, it's not relevant that you can beat women to death with a giant dildo bat when you just said this?

Beating men to death is no biggie. Thousands of those, Social Justice morons will love it (with the occasional self-flaggelating nonsense about how violence in games is normalizing our perceptions, etc. Beating women to death, however, is a scandal.

Why, it's almost as if...

You do not know what you are speaking of.

[NGTM-1R]

What are the relative proportions of Christians and Muslims who believe their holy texts to be literally true?

Offhand, I don't know. I'm not sure anyone has done the study to try and establish a blanket number for Christians.

I'd also point out that's probably not necessarily a measure of how many will apply the words in a truly literal fashion, given that predispensationalists will insist theirs is a literalist reading while they skip back and forth between books to achieve it, and Sharia Law has made interpretive rulings on subjects like biological and chemical warfare that are not in any sense addressed directly in the texts cited.

[Ghostavo]

I placed the link because, for one she's currently the most visible game critic, and second, it's (almost) impossible for her not to find a game that has any form of nudity as "sexist" or "problematic" so I knew she would not find Saints Row "ok".

Thirdly, how about reading what I was responding to instead of going on a tangent. Regardless of either the game devs agreed with or not with the critic, Det. Bullock claimed that Saints Row was generally loved by "censors" and I responded with the most visible of those censors' opinion.

Since nobody involved is actually calling for censorship, you'll need to provide a criterion for what kind of person is actually being talked about for anyone to provide examples of that kind of person actually liking Saints Row.

It's like nobody is reading what I am responding to!

The so-called ---> "censors" <--- generally love that series, and last I checked it involved beating people to death with a purple dildo at some point.

Take it up with Det. Bullock and Luis Dias and the previous replies.

[AdmiralRalwood]

The so-called ---> "censors" <--- generally love that series, and last I checked it involved beating people to death with a purple dildo at some point.

Take it up with Det. Bullock and Luis Dias and the previous replies.

You're the one who picked Anita Sarkeesian as being "one of them", so it's your criteria that are relevant here.

[Luis Dias]

(words)

I was making a general point, not a specific point. Again, it flew past above your cranium. As always. As usual. As typical.

[karajorma]

I'd advise you to stop that sort of comment right now.

In fact everyone better calm down.

[Ghostavo]

The so-called ---> "censors" <--- generally love that series, and last I checked it involved beating people to death with a purple dildo at some point.

Take it up with Det. Bullock and Luis Dias and the previous replies.

You're the one who picked Anita Sarkeesian as being "one of them", so it's your criteria that are relevant here.

If you are not going to bother to read the rest of the thread.

Perhaps you aren't paying attention, but several countries are indeed considering banning or censoring games and other media that may fall into these nagging silly characterizations of "sexism", as labeled by the most paranoic autistic minds I've ever encountered in the nets. Do you think those things are just "opinions"? You're being naive.

Which critic is always throwing accusations of sexism in video games again? Det. Bullock picked censor from that and I merely used it not to interrupt the flow of the conversation.

How about you actually read the replies?

[Grizzly]

There's that too, you haven't really played it, did you? 

Because that's totally relevant

Since when is Anita Sarkeesian the entirety of games journalism? Volition took it with a lot of class.

Who has ever said Anita was "the entirety of games journalism", mr king of strawmans?

And that "amount of class" you refer to is the exact kind of "influence" we are talking about. It shouldn't exist. This girl is the "world's utmost expert in sexism in videogames", despite the fact she's probably the most ignorant piece of work regarding games themselves. She's an expert in being a troll and being taken seriously despite it. Devs are forced to play nice to this buffoon who got millions of dollars out of this guilt tripping industry without almost anything to show for it. And I do hope that the extent of her influence goes to just PR marketing words from dev teams "yeah yeah totes right she is, now if you don't mind we'll be over here making more *sexist* games", but I'm more inclined than not to doubt that.

Thing is, it has gone far beyond simply PR marketing words - consider the evolution of the Saint's Row series itself (honestly, play the series! You're on a board dedicated to Volition, you have no excuse ) on that front, and quite frankly, if that is the influence that is truly so bad, then you're missing out on a whole load of good stuff.

I think you're assigning a lot more power to Sarkeesian then she actually has - she's ultimately just a person talking into a camera, not at all known outside these spheres. Do you really think that one non-profit can coerce multi-million companies into changing a direction? Or mabye people feel she's making valid points and are incorperating that into their work. You make it sound like she's running an extortion ring.

Which critic is always throwing accusations of sexism in video games again?

Noting that something is sexist is not censorship, nor is it an accusation. It's perfectly possible for the most well balanced person to say something *incredibly racist* due to virtue of misspronouncation, language barriers, or simply not paying a whole lot of attention, or by simply not being aware that something is racist. It's a bit like what happened to that Hawken developer - He did not realize the problem, it was pointed out to him, and he changed his attitude.

[AdmiralRalwood]

I was making a general point, not a specific point.

You were making a general point while replying to a comment about a specific game series, and furthermore, replying as though you were describing the content of that game series? Very poor phrasing on your part, at best.

If you are not going to bother to read the rest of the thread.
[...]
How about you actually read the replies?

You mean like this reply right here?

Det. Bullock claimed that Saints Row was generally loved by "censors" and I responded with the most visible of those censors' opinion.

You remain the only person to have pointed out a specific individual as falling within this category; I'm not sure why you're so unwilling to share the selection criteria you used to do so (because "the most paranoic autistic minds I've ever encountered in the nets" is not one).

[Det. Bullock]

Two words:

SAINTS ROW

The so-called "censors" generally love that series, and last I checked it involved beating people to death with a purple dildo at some point.

Yeah, remember those critics just loving the Saints Row series?

You can tell the excitement from their words.

She-who-must-not-be-named doesn't count, RPS loved that game and was one of the sites that were hit HARD by those idiots who went on anti-SJW crusade (I remember comments being locked on weekends on every article that even dared talk about sex in games), so did Jim Sterling and other "blacklisted" critics.

[Ghostavo]

If you are not going to bother to read the rest of the thread.
[...]
How about you actually read the replies?

You mean like this reply right here?

Det. Bullock claimed that Saints Row was generally loved by "censors" and I responded with the most visible of those censors' opinion.

You remain the only person to have pointed out a specific individual as falling within this category; I'm not sure why you're so unwilling to share the selection criteria you used to do so (because "the most paranoic autistic minds I've ever encountered in the nets" is not one).

Oh really?

How about for the 46534782th freaking time the actual quote I responded to.

The so-called "censors" generally love that series, and last I checked it involved beating people to death with a purple dildo at some point.

How about you hound Det. Bullock to define censors too? He surely had someone in mind. Unless of course you are pursuing this line of reasoning in bad faith...

[AdmiralRalwood]

How about you hound Det. Bullock to define censors too? He surely had someone in mind.

I don't doubt that he did, but he didn't name specific names. You did.

[Ghostavo]

He just did above, hound him now. Yet I'm sure you won't.

I'm done with this.