Author Topic: Stick this in your probability pipe and smoke it (Read 6131 times)

Kazan · **on:** August 06, 2002, 09:43:28 am

http://www3.cosmiverse.com/news/space/0802/space08050201.html

that means there were two independant abiogenesis in the same solar system

vyper · **Reply #1 on:** August 06, 2002, 10:13:16 am

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http://www3.cosmiverse.com/news/space/0802/space08050201.html

that means there were two independant abiogenesis in the same solar system

:thepimp: Very well, I shall!

*coughs and splutters*

Makes interesting reading... I still won't get excited about this until an alien pops up and says hello tho.

DragonClaw · **Reply #2 on:** August 06, 2002, 10:13:46 am

Or they could be totally mistaken and the rock is just from Earth?

I mean, jeez, it said "meteorite BELIEVED to be from Mars"

Redfang · **Reply #3 on:** August 06, 2002, 10:19:36 am

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I still won't get excited about this until an alien pops up and says hello tho.

What if they won't say hello, but open fire? And cut your heads and throw them to boxes?

StratComm · **Reply #4 on:** August 06, 2002, 10:24:09 am

Actually, if the conditions are right, the probability that life will develop on a suitable world is fairly high. Mars and Earth have similar elemental makeup, similar masses (thus similar gravity), and both contain water, have atmospheres, and maintan temperatures within the liquid phase of water through much of the year. Mars is a bit on the cold side of the "habitable zone" but it is within it, so the odds of life developing have always been thought much higher than on, say, a Jupiter-sized gas giant orbiting a large, turbulent star in a ten day period. Truth is, we have no data on biogenesis (or lack therof) in any star system other than our own, and we don't know even remotely close to the actual probability of the development of life on a suitable world.

Bobboau · **Reply #5 on:** August 06, 2002, 10:38:23 am

I'm not going to jump up and down untill they find these on Mars it'self, the fact that these indicaters point to life that is just like anything on earth points to some post impact contamination. and it is odd that this is the only martian metiorite to have this evedence.

Dark_4ce · **Reply #6 on:** August 06, 2002, 10:43:50 am

I'm not all that exited about this whole microbes on mars thing. Yeah, it would be a great discovery and solid proof that life is out there. But I've basically taken it for a fact. I mean if were the only ones in this universe, it would be an awful lot of wasted space. but if they begin to find like Martian space monkey or some sort of giant arachnid with a mean temper, then I'll get exited!

CP5670 · **Reply #7 on:** August 06, 2002, 10:48:01 am

It is interesting no doubt, but like others, I still remain somewhat skeptical until more evidence is found, since there a lot of other important factors that also need to be favorable for "intelligent" life to come up. (these small bacterium groups might well be around, but that does not imply the existence of more advanced creatures)

Dark_4ce · **Reply #8 on:** August 06, 2002, 10:50:06 am

How about "intelligent" microbes?!

Zeronet · **Reply #9 on:** August 06, 2002, 10:52:46 am

This proves that life has developed elsewhere in the universe and the fact is developed in the same solar system means the probability of life outside the solar system is greater.

CP5670 · **Reply #10 on:** August 06, 2002, 11:02:17 am

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How about "intelligent" microbes?!

well I guess to be classified as intelligent they need technology, which starts from fire, but how would these microbes create a fire?

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This proves that life has developed elsewhere in the universe and the fact is developed in the same solar system means the probability of life outside the solar system is greater.

Oh yeah, I also think that the probability of life (or heck, even intelligent life) somewhere in the universe is actually very high.

Styxx · **Reply #11 on:** August 06, 2002, 11:43:23 am

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well I guess to be classified as intelligent they need technology, which starts from fire, but how would these microbes create a fire?

Dunno, they could drop by at the local K-Mart and buy some matches...

Kellan · **Reply #12 on:** August 06, 2002, 12:02:29 pm

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well I guess to be classified as intelligent they need technology, which starts from fire, but how would these microbes create a fire?

Nah; what if they could combine combustible chemicals as a heat source within their bodies or something? I guess what you're looking for here - a definition of 'intelligence' is so rooted in human experience that we can't comprehend other forms of intelligence. I mean, people would ask how anything could be intelligent in a way other than we are, and set impossible tests for it.

I guess a microbe could have nothing more than instinctual intelligence unless there's some weird group-mind shenanigans going on.

But enough of these microbes. They're hardly front-page exciting.

Dark_4ce · **Reply #13 on:** August 06, 2002, 12:30:33 pm

Yeah! Lets talk about those ill-tempered Arachnids!

Kazan · **Reply #14 on:** August 06, 2002, 01:40:19 pm

they have already ruled out post-impact contaiminatio - for example there were now pores i the rock for the contaiminates to get into that spot in the rock, the dates on them, etc

Zeronet · **Reply #15 on:** August 06, 2002, 01:44:59 pm

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Nah; what if they could combine combustible chemicals as a heat source within their bodies or something? I guess what you're looking for here - a definition of 'intelligence' is so rooted in human experience that we can't comprehend other forms of intelligence. I mean, people would ask how anything could be intelligent in a way other than we are, and set impossible tests for it.

I guess a microbe could have nothing more than instinctual intelligence unless there's some weird group-mind shenanigans going on.

But enough of these microbes. They're hardly front-page exciting.

Its life, nomatter how you view it and it proves life can develop on worlds other than our own.

Kellan · **Reply #16 on:** August 06, 2002, 01:51:34 pm

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Its life, nomatter how you view it and it proves life can develop on worlds other than our own.

But that was never really in doubt.

Kazan · **Reply #17 on:** August 06, 2002, 01:54:41 pm

it was to some people that shall remain nameless

Kellan · **Reply #18 on:** August 06, 2002, 01:58:20 pm

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it was to some people that shall remain nameless

You mean God Botherers™?

Kazan · **Reply #19 on:** August 06, 2002, 02:22:15 pm

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