[jr2]

Trying to escape the impending Big Rip by escaping to another dimension / universe.      The Dark Energy is having a spike that we don't know about, or somesuch... ? Ideas?  This, however, doesn't explain their FS1 behaviour...

[shiven_warior]

i belive that the shivans of fs 1 might have been a diffrent faction then the ones in 2 so  they might had diffrent behaviors

[jr2]

Hm, right... but I was referring to the Big Rip, mainly... would this fit the "bigger problem" that had in mind?

[NGTM-1R]

I've postulated before that the freighters killed in "Their Finest Hour" had something aboard (fuel, parts, people who knew how to work the damn thing) that if employed would have kept the supernova from happening; the Shivans had to go with backups...and whoops...

I've also postulated that the FS1 Shivans and FS2 Shivans may not even be the same actual race; the mechanical components stay the same but the biological changes.

[TrashMan]

Drunk BBQ party went wrong....

"Dude, you pooring rocket fuel on the grill?"
"Yeah..it's gonna be awensome...ooooo! *puke*"

[Kie99]

I've postulated before that the freighters killed in "Their Finest Hour" had something aboard (fuel, parts, people who knew how to work the damn thing) that if employed would have kept the supernova from happening; the Shivans had to go with backups...and whoops...

If they had any importance, surely they would have defended them with a spare juggernaut or at least a few fighters.

[haloboy100]

It also explains how they have 80+ juggernauts and not a single lucy..

[Getter Robo G]

I think Trashman was sorta right, alcohol as involved in some way...

Sorta like you go on a long distance drive (say 4-5 states away, but with jump nodes)

In fact, if we had ETAK the scenario might have gone something like this...


(The Capella Conundrum)

Shivan 2: "Dude! Pull over, I gotta take a piss."

Carl: "No way dude, we're going all the way through."

Shivan2: "DUDE!!!"

Carl: "(mumbles). Alright, but make it quick."

Shivan2: "Ahh that's better. Dude! Like look at this sun. I bet I can hit it from here."

Carl: "Don't do it dude, we're gonna get in trouble."

Shivan2: "I'm doing it dude, watch! [Charges sun destroying subspace weapon] - <Boom!>
DUDE RUN!!!"

Carl: "(Screeee!/Untranslatable)" As he hits the jump dives.


[Please note this is an undocumented recreation... No Shivans (or Carl) have been formally charged...] 


[Edit]:  However, this theory would also lend wieght to the recent Starborn(tm) play entitled: Dude, where's my Sun?

[ShadowGorrath]

I think that the Shivans in FS1 and FS2 were the same , but the Shivans in FS1 had a different role . In my opinion they were pathfinders or something , that made place for the Juggernauts to come in and do their job . And since the Ancients were destroyed by these "pathfinders" , there was no need to send in the Juggernaut fleet . About FS2 Shivans - they may have destroyed the Capella star just to go home . Or probably just to get to that "bigger problem" . Who knows .

[haloboy100]

or maybe they are both the same shivans, but just switched tactics in the 2 games?

[AlphaOne]

Here is an interesting scene what if the Lucifer was some sort of flagship for the shivans in FS1 ! They could of been what was left of a fleet as powerfull as the jugg fleet maibe they got exiled from home or banished for destroyeing someone they did not have to like lets say...ooo....the ancients. I mean we see them taking out the Vasudan homeworld but we all know billions of them were still alive on other planets and such. The same thing was trined with the terrans but in the end the terrans saved sor of they homeworld. What if the anihilation (presumed anihilation) of the ancients was not suposed to take place. What if all they neded to do was bash the ancients so hard that they would of eventualy lear they leasson and stop bashing other races themselfs?

The shivans from FS2 could of been another fleet dispatched from they home core sistems of whatever to take a look aroun the "country" and see if there are ani more criminals (read: ancients or GTVA) bashing on other races younger races. Although the Vasudans and the terrans cold be consider still on the drawing board so to speak when compared to the shivans or the Ancients.

[Bob-san]

Remember that the Shivan-Ancient war lasted for a long time... it would be likely that the Ancients were being abusive for thousands of years. After the Ancients, there were sweeps around the Galaxy every hundred years. If a space-faring civilization was found, they return every thirty years. If there becomes violence, they intervene and punish.

[Black Wolf]

Could be that the shivans were just a rip off of the Shadows - evolution through conflict. The strong survive, the weak perish. FS2 came out just as B5 was getting close to ending, and I doubt someone writing a military Sci-Fi game had never seen it - the influence would inevitably be a strong one, even if ti was also a subconscious one.

[jr2]

BURLYWOOD, eh?  XD

But that thought seems a bit too simple... What's the "bigger problem", then?

[Game_Master64]

or maybe they are both the same shivans, but just switched tactics in the 2 games?

in other words, if at first you dont succede, blow up the local star

[haloboy100]

the shivans figure if glassing a planet doesn't work then they my as well nuke an entire system

[Snail]

the shivans figure if glassing a planet doesn't work then they my as well nuke an entire system

And loose maybe 25% of their entire fleet in the process?

[Grizzly]

Joshua thinks this theory might be right.

[TrashMan]

the shivans figure if glassing a planet doesn't work then they my as well nuke an entire system

And loose maybe 25% of their entire fleet in the process?

Or more...hard to tell from that ani how many died...

[Kazan]

they were blowing up capella because you touch yourself at night! j/k

they were blowing up capella to make you ask questions like this