[Androgeos Exeunt]

Hey, all. Quite recently, there has been a small conflict on FSWiki because it is never explicitly stated in the game that the GTVA Colossus is a juggernaut, nor does it really classify as either a superdestroyer (the Colossus is twelve times the size of the Lucifer), or a destroyer (the Colossus has five times the firepower of an Orion). Super capital ship might apply, because the Colossus has the -supercap flag in its ship table (but so does the Sathanas), and Alpha 3 called it a massive warship in The Sixth Wonder (although anything of cruiser size or larger is also called a warship).

So the question is: Given that the GTVA Colossus is never explicitly given a ship type in the game, what do you think it is closest to?

[Polpolion]

It's definitely not a warship; we know that much. 

[ssmit132]

Personally, I regard it as a juggernaut, even though 'GTJ Colossus' sounds weird to me.

However, since there is only one canonically, it is a 'flagship' and yet does not need a class designation, strictly. (Hence, 'GTVA Colossus')

[Darius]

It's a colossus. 

[Droid803]

Juggernaut.

The Hecate has **** firepower compared to a Ravana and its still a destroyer because of its size and HP.
Therefore...
Even though the Colly has less firepower than the Sath, they have the same HP, and same size therefore same class.

[FUBAR-BDHR]

Does it have less firepower or is the firepower just not all forward like the Sath?  Off to look at the tables........

[Droid803]

SATH
BFRED = 4756 sustained dps x 4
LRED = 1359 sustained dps x 1
TOTAL = 20383

COLLY
BGREEN = 776 sustained dps x 6
TERSLASH = 321 sustained dps x 7
TOTAL = 6903

(this is just pure anti-cap beam, didn't calculate all the puny turrets)

Ok that's quite a big gap, but the colly can ramp up its beams to BFGreen.
Both will do the same thing to destroyers - that is, chew them up beyond measure.

[Aurora Paradox]

I would say super destroyer but that is just my opinion.

Aurora Paradox

[Kie99]

Wiki should just say "none stated", the only mention is the "TSoup" in FRED, and God only knows what that was meant to mean.  Its obviously larger than a destroyer or superdestroyer, and its size is similar to that of a Juggernaut.  Having said that, Juggernaut always struck me as a specific designation of the Sathanas - references to "A Shivan Juggernaut" rather than actually mentioning its actual class, perhaps it was a personal thing.

[Droid803]

Terran Soup
made with headz
?

I recall some of its textures being called TSoupTileXX or something too...

[eliex]

I'll say juggernaut class, and in addition to the points that Droid has made, the Colossus has comparable size to the Sathanas too.

[FUBAR-BDHR]

Maybe Campbell won the contract to make it. 

[ssmit132]

It was probably an in-joke or something, I think Soup = Sup.

[Mongoose]

Its designation is GTVA...which quite obviously stands for Galactic Terran-Vasudan Awesomesauce.  QED.

[Flipside]

It's the Terran/Vasudan Navy's version of 'our reproductive mechanisms are bigger than your reproductive mechanisms'

[Akalabeth Angel]

It's "the Colossus". It doesn't need a designation.

[Reprobator]

i think it s fit more flagship than else as it's a quite unique ship type in the gtva fleet...
it would have a class when a second ship similar to the colossus would be built.

[TopAce]

Looks like "Juggernaut" is winning.

If this is the designation that we'll be using in the Wiki, its non-canonicity should be made explicit in a way.

[Stormkeeper]

Baseball bat.

[nvsblmnc]

I personally agree with the idea that the Colossus is a flagship.

The Sath and the Collie aren't the same type of ship.  The Sath is a straightforward steamroller, and the Juggernaught term fits it well.

The Collie is more of a symbol and seems to me to be very much a one-off.