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whaea waht the what happened?
baltar in six's head? did I mis something?
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Dude, cool your jets. The episode just started.
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Lol, what season is this sofar? I wil start season 2 soon as dad opens it. (was his valenties day gift, hehe)
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Hahaha what a great twist. Now he gets to mess with her.
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Hey, it's BL!
....Uh. That is all.
End Communication.
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the baby died!?
wait, no, maybe thats just what they want her to think....
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Best part is I don't recall seeing Lee
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I was right.
anyway
BEST EPPISODE EVER!
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What ****ing season is this now, in BSG?
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2
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I was right.
anyway
BEST EPPISODE EVER!
Nah, that was last episode with the Peggy, but this was a very good one. :D
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Uhhh, Bobboau, this is Season 3, not 2.
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Yeah i was wondering why i had it on dvd already..
and BTW, thanks.
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Waah? BSG is in season 3? i thought this was the second half of Season 2.
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I swore this was season 2
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Uhhh, Bobboau, this is Season 3, not 2.
Its season 2. Season 1 got a 13 episode run, Season 2 is getting a 20 episode run.
On SPACE in Canada we're now only a few episodes behind and its a 20 straight week run of new episodes. Its great!
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EDIT: My mistake. I forgot there was a break in the season.
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The only thing worse than a crazy blonde in your head is a crazy brown haired computer science major. :p
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Who smokes
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Six's mental image of Gaius is rather... Merovingian...ian.
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Uhhh, Bobboau, this is Season 3, not 2.
Its season 2. Season 1 got a 13 episode run, Season 2 is getting a 20 episode run.
On SPACE in Canada we're now only a few episodes behind and its a 20 straight week run of new episodes. Its great!
Can't wait to watch it!
The only thing worse than a crazy blonde in your head is a crazy brown haired computer science major. :p
Who wouldent want that girl in their head. Shes smokin hot. And wants to **** around alot. I wouldent mind her...in my head.
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Ah, classic geek mentality.
Focus on the smokin' hot body, ignore the fact she keeps bashing your face into mirrors and forcing you to give away your precious thermonuclear weapons....
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Gina is bad, Caprica-Boomer is good, Galactica-Boomer is mental, Galactica-Six is a hallucination, Caprica-Six is malfunctioning, Galactica-Baltar is a weak asshole, Caprica-Baltar is awesome.
Edit damn, it should actually be Caprica-Boomer is in Galactica and is mental and Galactica-Boomer is in Caprica and is good
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Edit damn, it should actually be Caprica-Boomer is in Galactica and is mental and Galactica-Boomer is in Caprica and is good
Uhh.. what?
Galactica-Baltar is a weak asshole, Caprica-Baltar is awesome.
Dam. I knew it. I knew he was cylon. But, dam. He was cool.
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Yeah i was wondering why i had it on dvd already..
and BTW, thanks.
They split the season into 2 parts so they could sell it 3 times on DVD as season 2.0, season 2.5 and the complete season 2 set. I think the latter has an extended version of Pegasus (they had considered a 90 min episode for that one, and although they didn't end up doing so, there's apparently enough material for quite a few additions).
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Edit damn, it should actually be Caprica-Boomer is in Galactica and is mental and Galactica-Boomer is in Caprica and is good
Uhh.. what?
Galactica-Baltar is a weak asshole, Caprica-Baltar is awesome.
Dam. I knew it. I knew he was cylon. But, dam. He was cool.
Um, he's not a Cylon, that's definately proved in this episode.
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Um, he's not a Cylon, that's definately proved in this episode.
Or is it? :drevil:
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Um, he's not a Cylon, that's definately proved in this episode.
Or is it? :drevil:
Watch it again; first, when Caprica Six wakes up, she goes "Is Baltar still alive?" - if he was a Cylon, wouldn't she know? And why would she have to seduce Baltar into gaining access; if Baltar was a Cylon, then that'd be kinda redundant, non? Also, when three (I think it's three), talks about Baltar and her mission being some great mission and whatnot, it's obvious that he's a human.
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So the question is, what the **** is with Baltar and Six?
Both of their hallucinations aren't just manifestations of the personality of their counterpart, they're the opposite of themselves.
Both Six and Baltar are whiney little *****es, yet their hallucinations are hard-asses.
Which makes very little sense. Although I suppose it could be argued that both hallucinations keep their hosts safe, and that's a foundation of love. But that's a bit iffy.
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so this does now conclusively prove that baltar is not getting Cylon transmisions beemed into his head, he's just crazy, right?
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Watch it again; first, when Caprica Six wakes up, she goes "Is Baltar still alive?" - if he was a Cylon, wouldn't she know? And why would she have to seduce Baltar into gaining access; if Baltar was a Cylon, then that'd be kinda redundant, non? Also, when three (I think it's three), talks about Baltar and her mission being some great mission and whatnot, it's obvious that he's a human.
There's still the question of how he survived the water blast. Six didn't; and it's really stretching the suspension of disbelief to say that Six - who was a Cylon infiltrator, which seem to be much more physically durable and capable than human counterparts - did not survive the impact, while Baltar did.
Plus, Baltar's eyes were burned out by the nuclear flare. Yet he was left with no more than some scratches (Hmm...six's scratch in this episode) and was able to see perfectly fine, and somehow managed to turn up with the crowd of people near the Raptor - even though it seemed that Baltar's home was isolated from pretty much everything else. You'd think that he would've suffered some broken bones, at least.
Finally, there's the deal with Six and Baltar being in each other's heads. Although they both seem to be fantasies, reinterpretations of the character to stress the characteristics that the host found most attractive.
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so this does now conclusively prove that baltar is not getting Cylon transmisions beemed into his head, he's just crazy, right?
To me it suggests quite the opposite. The symmetry of their experiences indicates to me that there is a force at work larger than either of them-- possibly an interest that transcends the Human-Cylon conflict. Their respective hallucinations have instilled in each one a certain amount of sympathy for the other's people.
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another thing, is Caprica close enought to the 'Cylon home world' for the resurection equipment to pick up the dead from that bomb or was Caprica also relying upon the resurection ship and they were unaware of it's destruction?
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There's still the question of how he survived the water blast. Six didn't; and it's really stretching the suspension of disbelief to say that Six - who was a Cylon infiltrator, which seem to be much more physically durable and capable than human counterparts - did not survive the impact, while Baltar did.
Plus, Baltar's eyes were burned out by the nuclear flare. Yet he was left with no more than some scratches (Hmm...six's scratch in this episode) and was able to see perfectly fine, and somehow managed to turn up with the crowd of people near the Raptor - even though it seemed that Baltar's home was isolated from pretty much everything else. You'd think that he would've suffered some broken bones, at least.
Finally, there's the deal with Six and Baltar being in each other's heads. Although they both seem to be fantasies, reinterpretations of the character to stress the characteristics that the host found most attractive.
According to the BattlestarWiki, Baltar was shielded by Six' body - specifically, the blast wasn't strong enough to totally destroy his house, and he was blown out the other side (so to speak). Also, it's not explicit his eyes were hurt - his 'ouch' could be simply down to shock (albeit still raising questions about looking into a nuclear blast and all that). This, of course, is open to retconning. If Baltar was a cylon, though, Six was rather pointless - they didn't need an infiltrator (Baltar would have internal code in his noggin to booby-trap the CAP), or lover (as cylons appear to need to use humans to reproduce; and there's no reason for Six to ever meet Baltar otherwise). Plus there was no point in Six explaining human-cylons to him.... the only reasoning would be plan the Galacticas' entire escape, which seems rather at odds with firing nukes at the thing.
EDIT; (http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Downloaded)
In the Miniseries novelization, this is expanded upon; his house wasn't entirely destroyed (that is, not reduced to pebbles) and when Caprica-Six blocked the blast with her body it shielded him enough; he was thrown through the house against a wall and slightly hurt but did not die.
An interesting thing in the miniseries was Baltar speaking of wishing to do AI research, which was banned after the Cylon war. I can't help but wonder if it is related to the virtual Six.
(really stupid idea; Six got 'into' Baltar as some result of the nuclear blast; inhaling self assembling nonotech that built pathways or something in the brain - this would seem far to technobabbly for Galactica, though)
Incidentally, why the hell do I read these threads? Sky One's only up to Home, Pt2.........
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IIRC he looked at Six right after his eyes were burned; therefore, he probably wouldn't be blind, judging from the evidence.
Also, I'm figuring that Six's much more resilient body took most of the blast; remember, it wasn't an explosion, it was the blast wave that took out the house; she probably might've taken the blunt of the debris and shockwave force, protecting Baltar from the most of it.
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I'm guessing their 'mind fudgery' is something to do with her glowing spine.
Could be that Earth is behind it all. I mean, each of the twelve colonies had a specific God. So what if the God of Earth stumbled across the Cylons and the Colonies and decided to end their bickering, change their moral structures and lead them to Earth?
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I'm guessing their 'mind fudgery' is something to do with her glowing spine.
Could be that Earth is behind it all. I mean, each of the twelve colonies had a specific God. So what if the God of Earth stumbled across the Cylons and the Colonies and decided to end their bickering, change their moral structures and lead them to Earth?
IIRC the glowing spine was a mistake; the sfx guys added it in simply because it looked good, and later regretted it as it screws continuity and soforth.
I don't think they'd have a or any God; for one thing, it'd raise a ****load of questions about 'the Lords of Kobol', because of the references - it seems - to the Cylon god being a 'fallen' lord (mainly IIRC both Sharon and Six react to this as somewhat offended, plus it seems a natural connection), and either you'd really confuse the monotheistic theology, or introduce the concept of beings effectively equal to God. Plus it would sort of spoil a lot of the hard sci-fi aspects by removing the effects of free-will; a lot of the themes to me seem to be the evil (or otherwise) that people choose to do.
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Plus that'd make the whole "God" concept thing a little bit too....odd/obvious.
But what I'm really liking about these latest episodes is that they actually keep the continuity now, rather than having just random adventures, like in the beginning of the season.
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Well BattlestarWiki seems to have a policy of including things like the Shivan Manifesto in the main text of articles, so if it's not something explicitly stated in the episode, I pretty much ignore it entirely.
I do agree that it seems a bit odd for Six to seduce another Cylon, but OTOH, I feel like there must be something else going on with Baltar/Six.
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I don't think they'd have a or any God; for one thing, it'd raise a ****load of questions about 'the Lords of Kobol', because of the references - it seems - to the Cylon god being a 'fallen' lord (mainly IIRC both Sharon and Six react to this as somewhat offended, plus it seems a natural connection), and either you'd really confuse the monotheistic theology, or introduce the concept of beings effectively equal to God.
But then you run into about as many believeablity issues as there are vaguely religious people on Earth. I don't think suspension of disbelief would live through that. I'm curious, too, as to how the Cylons would react to a largely monothestic Earth that seems to hold the same beliefs (roughly) as they do.
Unless...Earth is the Cylon homeworld?
No, that's too nuts. Still, they can't just dismiss God on Earth out of hand. (Perhaps...Earth's God and the Cylon version are opposed to each other? That would be interesting...)
Worth noting that there really isn't a free choice element at this point, unless somewhere along the way they "break" the prophecies.
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another thing, is Caprica close enought to the 'Cylon home world' for the resurection equipment to pick up the dead from that bomb or was Caprica also relying upon the resurection ship and they were unaware of it's destruction?
After Six and Sharon have killed Three, Six says that it'll take at least 36 hours for her to be downloaded again. So I presume that means they're close enough.
I don't think they'd have a or any God; for one thing, it'd raise a ****load of questions about 'the Lords of Kobol', because of the references - it seems - to the Cylon god being a 'fallen' lord (mainly IIRC both Sharon and Six react to this as somewhat offended, plus it seems a natural connection), and either you'd really confuse the monotheistic theology, or introduce the concept of beings effectively equal to God. Plus it would sort of spoil a lot of the hard sci-fi aspects by removing the effects of free-will; a lot of the themes to me seem to be the evil (or otherwise) that people choose to do.
The Cylons are not atheist. They believe that the Colonial pantheon is wrong, though.
http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Cylon_Religion
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I don't think they'd have a or any God; for one thing, it'd raise a ****load of questions about 'the Lords of Kobol', because of the references - it seems - to the Cylon god being a 'fallen' lord (mainly IIRC both Sharon and Six react to this as somewhat offended, plus it seems a natural connection), and either you'd really confuse the monotheistic theology, or introduce the concept of beings effectively equal to God. Plus it would sort of spoil a lot of the hard sci-fi aspects by removing the effects of free-will; a lot of the themes to me seem to be the evil (or otherwise) that people choose to do.
The Cylons are not atheist. They believe that the Colonial pantheon is wrong, though.
http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Cylon_Religion
Never said they were. But Six (in particular) reacts to a description of 'One lord desiring power over the rest' (paraphrase) in such a way that hints strongly the Cyclons believe that LoK is their God, and the stories of a power struggle are attempts to cast said Cylon God as a devil type figure. (she says 'lies' or something in a way that is not so much directed towards the religion but that particular story). Can't remember if this was in the outtakes or actual ep, though; I think Kobols' Last Gleaming Pt1. This is partly because I think neither religion will prove to be literally true in BSG; it seems to me to be against the general tone of the show to have literal Gods/a God.
Anyways, to me the strongest hint so far has been that the Cylon God was or is related to the 13th Lord of Kobol, in which sense it would imply some sort of other 12 equal-ish beings able to have a war with it.
Oh, and AFAIK the Cylon homeworld is relatively close to Colonial space, whereas Home pt.2 indicates Earth is far, far further away than that.
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After Six and Sharon have killed Three, Six says that it'll take at least 36 hours for her to be downloaded again. So I presume that means they're close enough.
yeah, I remember that, what if they just didn't know the ship had been destroied yet?
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Whoa ... that was a rather badass episode :yes:
The Baltar/Six thing is getting weirder and weirder, I guess something happened on Caprica that connects them. The interesting part is that the Baltar in Six's head doesn't know what's going on in the fleet, while the Six in Baltar's head told him a lot of information about the Cylons and events that were about to happen, which he couldn't possibly know anything about. So, if she isn't the Cylon he knew on Caprica (which this episode confirms), what the hell is she and from where does she get her info ?
And now we know what the hybrid baby's fate is supposed to be, but since the Cylons now think it's dead, all hell will break loose towards the season finale.
About the whole Earth/Kobol thing that was brought up in the last BSG discussion we had here. I just rewatched "Kobol's last gleaming", and it is in fact supposed to be the home of mankind. Six refers to it as the "birthplace of us all" (when speaking to Baltar), meaning both humans and Cylons (well the Clons were created by the humans anyay).
The religious black lady speaks of Kobol as the home of the 13 tribes, where humans lived together with the gods, before they founded the colonies.
So Earth is actually the 13th colony and not mankinds origin (at least in the BSG universe), so it would be highly interesting in which time period Earth is, when the finally find it.
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Whoa ... that was a rather badass episode :yes:
The Baltar/Six thing is getting weirder and weirder, I guess something happened on Caprica that connects them. The interesting part is that the Baltar in Six's head doesn't know what's going on in the fleet, while the Six in Baltar's head told him a lot of information about the Cylons and events that were about to happen, which he couldn't possibly know anyhting about.
And now we know what the hybrid baby's fate is supposed to be, but since the Cylons now think it's dead, all hell will break loose towards the season finale.
About the whole Earth/Kobol thing that was brought up in the last BSG discussion we had here. I just rewatched "Kobol's last gleaming" again, and it is in fact supposed to be the home of mankind. Six refers to it as the "birthplace of us all" (when speaking to Baltar), meaning both humans and Cylons (well the Clons were created by the humans anyay).
The religious black lady speaks of Kobol as the home of the 13 tribes, where humans lived together with the gods, before they founded the colonies.
So Earth is actually the 13th colony and not mankinds origin (at least in the BSG universe), so it would be highly interesting in which time period Earth is, when the finally find it.
Unless it's a cyclical process of exodus (From Earth/Kobol), colonisation (of Kobol/Earth), and then exodus, etc. Or the Lords of Kobol (i.e. aliens) took Roman-era humans to Kobol for some purpose (which'd have it's own questions about the exodus back to Earth) - although I think that'd be a bit too simple an explanation for them to use it. It'd seem they knew enough to pinpoint Earths location before the exodus, though, given that there's a map.
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Makes you wonder what's so special about earth, though, that they'd make a big ol' map room to point people to it.
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Unless it's a cyclical process of exodus (From Earth/Kobol), colonisation (of Kobol/Earth), and then exodus, etc. Or the Lords of Kobol (i.e. aliens) took Roman-era humans to Kobol for some purpose (which'd have it's own questions about the exodus back to Earth) - although I think that'd be a bit too simple an explanation for them to use it. It'd seem they knew enough to pinpoint Earths location before the exodus, though, given that there's a map.
Hmm, that would kinda work (if you replace 'Roman' by 'Greek'), at least the Lords of Kobol were on Earth while Kobol was still inhabitated and made the map room.
What if humanity didn't get to the colonies by itself ?
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Kobol is mankind's homeworld, they live there together with the gods/Lords of Kobol. At some point the Lords start to bring people to other worlds, which will become the colonies. They set up the map room onl, aniticipating the downfall of Kobol and the cycling story of destruction thing.
Earth is colonised around the time that we call the classical antique. That would explain the explicit similarity between the coloniol religion and the 'our' Greek mythilogy with the olympian gods
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Do we know anything about why Kobol was destroyed/deserted ?
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Unless it's a cyclical process of exodus (From Earth/Kobol), colonisation (of Kobol/Earth), and then exodus, etc. Or the Lords of Kobol (i.e. aliens) took Roman-era humans to Kobol for some purpose (which'd have it's own questions about the exodus back to Earth) - although I think that'd be a bit too simple an explanation for them to use it. It'd seem they knew enough to pinpoint Earths location before the exodus, though, given that there's a map.
Hmm, that would kinda work (if you replace 'Roman' by 'Greek'), at least the Lords of Kobol were on Earth while Kobol was still inhabitated and made the map room.
What if humanity didn't get to the colonies by itself ?
[wild guess]
Kobol is mankind's homeworld, they live there together with the gods/Lords of Kobol. At some point the Lords start to bring people to other worlds, which will become the colonies. They set up the map room onl, aniticipating the downfall of Kobol and the cycling story of destruction thing.
Earth is colonised around the time that we call the classical antique. That would explain the explicit similarity between the coloniol religion and the 'our' Greek mythilogy with the olympian gods
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Do we know anything about why Kobol was destroyed/deserted ?
Some form of war between the 'gods'. Specifically a 12th god/lord (unnamed AFAIK) seeking to rise above the other Lords of Kobol, which causes the exodus of the 12 tribes in a 'galleon' (FTL or STL vessel presumably). I think the 13th (Earth) tribe left before that, though.
NB: my guess would be humanity removed from Greece (keep on using Roman for no reason than being too lazy to write 'classical Greece' :D) rather than to there. The main reason being that it also solves the issue of having Kobol as origin of humanity, which screws up if we use any sort of 'real' connection to Earth. Also there's an issue of how a group of colonists from an FTL vessel would integrate with Greco-era humanity (the best thing that occurs to me is adopting the myth of Atlantis, but that'd be a bit cliched IMO).
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You guys are delving into the absolutely absurd now.
This has been a public service announcement.
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Yeah well, if there were no humans on Earth before the ones from Kobol arrived, it would screw any 'real' connection to our Earth (with evolution and all). But I have the feeling RDM wants to go in the direction of "life here began out there" of the original series.
After all, it's sci-fi. He could come up with something to explain prehistoric human fossils away ;)
About the war between the gods. That's were count Iblis and the beings of light come in , right ? I hated those episodes of the original series. I hope RDM either never explains that part, or comes up with something better.
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yeah, I remember that, what if they just didn't know the ship had been destroied yet?
Pay attention, would you? The resurrection ship was a mobile platform deployed for the sole purpose of resurrecting any Cylons that got killed while they were following the rag-tag fleet. Several episodes have made it clear that there's a maximum range over which slain Cylons can upload themselves.
As for Kobol, et al, it seems fairly obvious that Kobol was colonized from Earth (hence a big ol' map room pointing back home), and the 12 Colonies branched off from Kobol. Earth has to be the master origin point, because a great deal of physical evidence says we evolved here.
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About the war between the gods. That's were count Iblis and the beings of light come in , right ? I hated those episodes of the original series. I hope RDM either never explains that part, or comes up with something better.
AFAIK he's said he doesn't want to use that part of the original story.
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Looking at the hints of 'cycles' there is another explanation:
The 'gods' create life on Earth, it rebels, the surviving gods are chased to Kobol. There we see a 'merger' (ala the Cylon-Human hybrid) which leads to living in peace. One of the gods rebels, humans are scattered across the various colonies and some return to Earth.
Man makes Cylons, Cylons rebel. Cylons find the 13th 'god' and see much in common. Cylons attack, surviving humans are chased... etc.
The wilcard becomes Earth and what happened to the other 12 gods.
:)
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Looking at the hints of 'cycles' there is another explanation:
The 'gods' create life on Earth, it rebels, the surviving gods are chased to Kobol. There we see a 'merger' (ala the Cylon-Human hybrid) which leads to living in peace. One of the gods rebels, humans are scattered across the various colonies and some return to Earth.
Man makes Cylons, Cylons rebel. Cylons find the 13th 'god' and see much in common. Cylons attack, surviving humans are chased... etc.
The wilcard becomes Earth and what happened to the other 12 gods.
:)
Surely 11? I thought Athena was dead.
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That episode is messed up. The main problem I see is this: Supposedly, the Six-image and the Baltar-image (we can't really call them hallucinations) are appearing to Baltar and Six for the same reasons. I.e., it's not like Baltar has a Cylon chip in his brain, since Six obviously doesn't have a "human" chip in hers - no, both images appear for the same reason, whatever that may be.
Now, based on that premise, the Six-image is conclusively not a Cylon transmission, since the Baltar-image exists. Nor are the images mere hallucinations formed completely inside the mind of each person seeing the hallucination, since the Six-image has proven to have knowledge that Baltar could not have known.
So, they're not mental images, and they can't be pinned on the Cylons. Which leaves us with what? A powerful third-party influencing both human and Cylon for whatever reason? The God(s), perhaps? I think that's beyond what RDM would allow. Some other alien race? Also, not a direction BSG would ever go. Which forces us to revisit our original premise.
Ok, so let's look at what Baltar and Six have in common. They were both in close proximity to each other what hit by the blast wave. They both started seeing images of the other basically from the moment they were no longer in their presence (which coincides with the nuclear blast, unfortunately). However, the scope of knowledge differs from Six to Baltar - but then again, Six is a Cylon, while Baltar is human.
The only conclusion I can see is that at the moment Six died in such close proximity to Baltar, her transmission was partially intercepted by Baltar's mind. Somehow, her resurrection transmission took with it some of Baltar's personality, which manifests itself as typical and standard schitzophrenia. However, while passing through Baltar's personality, some of herself was left behind as well... a part that somehow has knowledge beyond Baltar's knowledge, perhaps subconciously connected in real-time to the resurrected Six on Caprica.
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AFAIK he's said he doesn't want to use that part of the original story.
Indeed, I recall mentioning of the 'War of the Blades' or something along those lines out of the book of Pythia, and though it's not stated by any of the characters [AFAIK], you can see mentions of it when the camera gives the close-ups of Pythia in Home Pt. 1 & 2 etc. It'd be interesting to see what this war actually constituted.
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Actually, what struck me about the episode was that the Cylons deal so calmly with dying. The human ones don't actually mimic human conciousness all that well, do they? It's like a human having a near-death experience and going "Oh, that was stupid." It just doesn't happen.
Unintentional (probably) symbolism: Cylons are born from the light into the darkness.
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Actually I was a bit shocked at how poorly they handled 'dying.'
They seemed to have a bit of shock when being resurrected which you would assume wouldn't quite be there.
Boomber going through shock, yes, but I expected Six to be a bit more "I completed my mission" and nothing more save then the shock of finding a Baltar in her head. (which slowly eats at her)
For that matter, why are they even resurrecting Galactica Boomer? Sleeper agents like that are tailored for a specific purpose, they're more like the Centurions. You wouldn't want a Cylon like that in the general populace.
Six getting corrupted, sure, but Boomer should have instantly been "boxed." It might have been more plausible if Three was observing her because she was going to be instantly boxed, but was resurrected "by popular demand" because "God's will overwhelms any human corruption" or such nonsense.
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because the cylons respect life.
:)
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There seems to be some kind of temporary memory loss associated with the transferrence, also, Six was sort of hit by a tidal wave. Being ripped apart by such would be a very painful last memory, I think.
As near as I can tell, the reason they resurrected Boomer is because, A) she may have had additional information and B) she's not really a threat. Perhaps they wanted to study her, to compare her to the behavior of Caprica Boomer. When "death becomes a learning experience", you can afford to keep double agents around in apartment rooms, I guess.
The biggest problem I see with the 'merge' theory is that both Baltar and Six have versions of the other in their head, not necessarily the real one. It seems to be more of an idealized version, with the aspects of the other that the one found most attractive. Both visions, however, bear a strong resemblance to each other (personality wise).
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Actually I was a bit shocked at how poorly they handled 'dying.'
They seemed to have a bit of shock when being resurrected which you would assume wouldn't quite be there.
Keep in mind Caprica-Six and Galactica-Boomer are explictly atypical. Caprica-Six may have been the first Cylon to die, but there were plenty ahead of Galactica-Boomer; a Six model got shot by Caprica-Boomer, another got stabbed by Starbuck, a whole bunch of Boomers (maybe others?) got blasted when the Basestar in Kobol's orbit was nuked, the resistance has shot/stabbed/blown up quite a few. The Three that Caprica-Six talks to mentions that her current body isn't her first either. She also seems much more well-adjusted. Presumably for most Cylons the rebirth procedure isn't nearly as traumatic.
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Caprica-Six may have been the first Cylon to die
Where are you getting that from? Not only is it pretty obvious Caprica Six isn't the first to die and be reborn given they would have had to develop the rebirthing/download process prior to the attack - and as such there would have been testing - but we actually see another Six get killed aboard Armistace Station in the opening few minutes of the Mini. But apart from that, you make a good point.
@Ace; What do you mean the 'shock' shouldn't be there? The interrogation of Leoben back in Flesh & Bone, and the state of Gina in Pegasus showed that Humano-Cylons are suseptible to the same stresses mentally as run-of-the-mill Humans, and as such the mere memory of dying would prove somewhat... unsettling at the very least. As RDM said in the Podcast for the episode, once past the basic archetype of their model, each Cylon is an individual, and as such it's a logical step that some would bear the resurrection process better than others.
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Caprica-Six may have been the first Cylon to die
Where are you getting that from? Not only is it pretty obvious Caprica Six isn't the first to die and be reborn given they would have had to develop the rebirthing/download process prior to the attack - and as such there would have been testing - but we actually see another Six get killed aboard Armistace Station in the opening few minutes of the Mini. But apart from that, you make a good point.
Well I haven't watched the Mini in a few weeks. :p Stupid error on my part.
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AFAIK he's said he doesn't want to use that part of the original story.
Indeed, I recall mentioning of the 'War of the Blades' or something along those lines out of the book of Pythia, and though it's not stated by any of the characters [AFAIK], you can see mentions of it when the camera gives the close-ups of Pythia in Home Pt. 1 & 2 etc. It'd be interesting to see what this war actually constituted.
'Blaze' rather than Blades, I thought, although in any case I'd imagine it to be very, um, interesting given that it seems to be regarded as a war between Gods, yet observed as such by what seems to have been a fairly advanced human civillisation (AFAIK Ron Moore has never said Kobol was primitive in tech level nor that the FTL transport was provided by a more advanced race, and I think he gave the analogy of how the Roman empire collapsed as a suggestion as to why the only records of Kobol are on parchment). Thermonuclear war on Kobol?
As near as I can tell, the reason they resurrected Boomer is because, A) she may have had additional information and B) she's not really a threat. Perhaps they wanted to study her, to compare her to the behavior of Caprica Boomer. When "death becomes a learning experience", you can afford to keep double agents around in apartment rooms, I guess.
I would guess there could be a c) they needed information from Galactica-Boomer (it's possible, I think, that sleeper agents don't have an active connection to the rest of the Cylons). Or d) they're like humans in the sense of wanting to have war heroes they can celebrate and hold high, perhaps not realising they may not be willing heroes.
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Presumably for most Cylons the rebirth procedure isn't nearly as traumatic.
I do believe "Scar" effectively disproves that.
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I do believe "Scar" effectively disproves that.
Vengence isn't always for pain. :p Scar may be upset about the indignity of it. He/she/it is an ace after all. Aces have an ego most of the time. (Kat!)
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Maybe she was brought back because it costs more to "make" a new one.
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Maybe she was brought back because it costs more to "make" a new one.
As near as we can tell, Cylons do not have any kind of economic system other than what's necessary coming first, and what they want coming next.
There's a big complexity going on with Boomer. Keep in mind that the reporter girl has brought back critical information, but isn't a hero. So she could be jealous. But as Six pointed out (And I think we can take this as being pretty accurate) they're celebrities in a unity-based culture. The Cylons seem to have a very communistic style of life (see economic comment). But seeing as how the Cylons view the revenge on the human race as an important goal, they become special for their achievments. But other Cylons, presumeably the ones in power, do not want them to possibly change the opinion of the other Cylons, and introduce chaos.
Finally, there's the whole resurrection thing. Which would seem to be very important to the Cylons. Think of how defensive people get when someone mentions Social Security. How defensive would those people be if you started knocking off people's chance of resurrection? They'd be afraid of the same thing happening to them. And in a unity-based culture, unity and cooperation are going to be important. So if it's some master computer giving orders to the Human Cylons, it needs them cooperative, or the culture goes bye-bye. If it's the Human Cylons giving orders to themselves, then it has to be done with the cooperation of the others - or else it could spawn factions, and crack or even shatter the unity.
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As near as we can tell, Cylons do not have any kind of economic system other than what's necessary coming first, and what they want coming next.
I don't think they have to pay the ressurection guy a living wage. Think of it as recycling. It's easier to use a mind that's already existed than to make one from scratch. If it's a "simple" process of downloading a mind, imagine what is required to make a new one.
There's a big complexity going on with Boomer. Keep in mind that the reporter girl has brought back critical information, but isn't a hero. So she could be jealous. But as Six pointed out (And I think we can take this as being pretty accurate) they're celebrities in a unity-based culture. The Cylons seem to have a very communistic style of life (see economic comment). But seeing as how the Cylons view the revenge on the human race as an important goal, they become special for their achievments. But other Cylons, presumeably the ones in power, do not want them to possibly change the opinion of the other Cylons, and introduce chaos.
This makes a lot of assumptions (and what do I know, I've only seen this series, not any previous ones)
Do we know there ARE cylons in charge? And how do we know this is even a forseeable thing? I mean we have the lovely catch all "all of this has happened before" But couldn't it be possible the Cylons just don't see it coming?
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Of course, maybe the Cylons simply don't know how to make more than 12 or so kinds of mind, and perhaps their design is already being broken in terms of the boundaries those minds were expected to have.
NB: I think there are a few episodes in the 3rd series relating to some character setting herself (D'anna Biers / Lucy Lawless) up as the Cylons' God.
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Keep in mind that the reporter girl has brought back critical information, but isn't a hero. So she could be jealous.
I believe you are incorrect in that statement. The D'anna Biers/Three that retrieved information on the Fleet [in the Galactica documentary] and Sharon's baby is still in the Fleet, while the D'anna Biers/Three we saw in Downloaded is just another copy. It's likely that the D'anna Biers/Three still in the Fleet is held as a Cylon Hero ala Boomer and Caprica Six, but they just didn't have any reason to mention her.
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She's also probably not dead.
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Keep in mind that the reporter girl has brought back critical information, but isn't a hero. So she could be jealous.
I believe you are incorrect in that statement. The D'anna Biers/Three that retrieved information on the Fleet [in the Galactica documentary] and Sharon's baby is still in the Fleet, while the D'anna Biers/Three we saw in Downloaded is just another copy. It's likely that the D'anna Biers/Three still in the Fleet is held as a Cylon Hero ala Boomer and Caprica Six, but they just didn't have any reason to mention her.
Good point. I was thinking of her as the same as the fleet Three.
Although, I wonder if the support for Six and Eight are along copy lines. There is that bit from RDM about each copy being an archetype.
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Although, I wonder if the support for Six and Eight are along copy lines. There is that bit from RDM about each copy being an archetype.
I got the impression that as 'heroes of the Cylons', they'd have the support of most - if not all - types. But it would be quite interesting if there was some sort animosity between certain types...
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So what did you guys think of last night's episode? *March 3rd*
-I haven't read this anywhere or anything but going by the previews for next week I think one of 2 things will happen.
1) Baltar wins the election (they might not have the election results till the new season though it'd be a nice cliffhanger)
2) In the preview I think Roslin was talking to the convict guy that wanted to be her vice president before (can't remember his name) and telling him that Baltar is working with the cylons she thinks. Thus he will join her on the ticket for a vice president (and she'd have to eat it as a concession for his support) and he'll agree thus ensuring Roslin has the presidency but (convict guy) is Vice.
Also, jumping inside of a mountain would suck.
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The most sucky thing is that since the transponder still worked it meant that the vehicle was intact. So it replaces the matter it jumps into.
Now imagine being in a perfectly good raptor, stuck inside of a mountain, knowing that it's impossible to rescue you from a mile of rock...
Probably some crazy sex before they decide to turn off the life support...
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You also come out of a jump at the same speed you were travelling when you activated your drives.
The transponder survived, but everything else woulda been mush.
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If the Raptor were still intact, they could have jumped back out. So they probably ended up in a violent underground fireball.
Also, Al is one badass priest.
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I think that once they jumped into the mountain, every open space around and inside the raptor would be A) Filled with rock, or B) crushed from the pressure.
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The most sucky thing is that since the transponder still worked it meant that the vehicle was intact. So it replaces the matter it jumps into.
Now imagine being in a perfectly good raptor, stuck inside of a mountain, knowing that it's impossible to rescue you from a mile of rock...
Probably some crazy sex before they decide to turn off the life support...
http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Lay_Down_Your_Burdens%2C_Part_I
Perhaps that part of the Raptor was in an air pocket in the rock, and thus not phased into it. RDM says in the podcast that the Raptor Jumping into the mountain wasn't like "swapping" spatial matter between two points: like a teleporter accident, the Raptor and its crew were horrifically merged into the rock itself.
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Wait, think about it. When a Raptor jumps to a point in space, all the oxygen and soforth within the open space of the cabin goes with it. Therefore, it is logical that everything within [and including] the hull of said Raptor is 'swapped out' for the matter at the other end, otherwise we'd have seen nebulae gasses permeating the Raptor's internal atmosphere when Racetrack mis-jumped above the nebula-planet. As such, the wayward Raptor would have 'swapped out' the rock in the mountain and appeared intact within the mountain. Of course, it was probably going relatively fast [as judged by the exit velocity of the other Raptors], so we're talking some major damage to the occupants [not so much as liquification, but they'd be thrown to the front of the cabin violently at the very least], plus the pressure of the mountain would likely crush the Raptor relatively quickly.
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Maybe you guys are taking this too literally. Let me put it this way. If I crash my car into a wall. I don't actually end up "in" the wall. It's just a figure of speech.
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Maybe you guys are taking this too literally. Let me put it this way. If I crash my car into a wall. I don't actually end up "in" the wall. It's just a figure of speech.
According to Mr. Moore, it did in fact end up inside solid rock during the jump. On the other hand his attempt to explain what happened doesn't really hold water.
It's worth noting that the Raptors didn't actually exit the jump at high speed in the atmosphere of Caprica. That's gravity taking over. The intial jump from Pegasus was at a low speed, and there's no reason to assume they would have risked jumping in that close to the ground at high speeds. (Unlike FS it appears that they can jump at any speed.)
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Oh well if he'd spoken to me I would have given him the above excuse to you. Nobody ever listens to me. That's the trouble with the world ;)
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I'd imagine this illustrates exactly why they avoid using any technical specifics in BSG......
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Still, if jumping ot underground anhialated rock at the point rhey jumped too all odds are the newly formed cavity would quickly slam closed from the rock exploding inwards.
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I'm thinking they just jumped in and ended up in a really tall mountain; we're all thinking that the mountain is too low for them to end up being inside it...maybe they just jumped lower than normal, and farther away, ending up inside a very tall Everest style mountain range.
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I'm thinking they just jumped in and ended up in a really tall mountain; we're all thinking that the mountain is too low for them to end up being inside it...maybe they just jumped lower than normal, and farther away, ending up inside a very tall Everest style mountain range.
If you're jumping light-years at a time, I'd imagine even an error of a 0.001 percentage or so has massive effects in real distance terms.
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I'm thinking they just jumped in and ended up in a really tall mountain;
Same as everyone else then. What's your point?
Wait, think about it. When a Raptor jumps to a point in space, all the oxygen and soforth within the open space of the cabin goes with it. Therefore, it is logical that everything within [and including] the hull of said Raptor is 'swapped out' for the matter at the other end, otherwise we'd have seen nebulae gasses permeating the Raptor's internal atmosphere when Racetrack mis-jumped above the nebula-planet. As such, the wayward Raptor would have 'swapped out' the rock in the mountain and appeared intact within the mountain. Of course, it was probably going relatively fast [as judged by the exit velocity of the other Raptors], so we're talking some major damage to the occupants [not so much as liquification, but they'd be thrown to the front of the cabin violently at the very least], plus the pressure of the mountain would likely crush the Raptor relatively quickly.
Or maybe they simply push the nebula gas out of the way when they jump in. Problem with solid rock is that it pushes back.
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You know, just because they said they jumped into a mountain, that doesn't mean it was sticking part way out of said mountain.
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In an interview in issue #197 of TV Zone, James Callis (Dr. Gaius Baltar) said: "the arrival of the Pegasus has helped galvanize our characters into who they are and who they’re trying to be. These later episodes [in Season 2] also further drive home the fact that the Galactica’s crew could be exterminated by its own kind, meaning that Humans are potentially far more terrifying an enemy than perhaps the Cylons."
Man humans are so egotistical.
They should have Galactica crash into a giant space iceberg. Show them who's boss!! :p
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Like everyone didn't know, here's a screenie from Downloaded.
(http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5143/wmplayer20060307025709564ie.jpg)
Oh Anders and... uhh
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Yeah, I wasn't quite sure what to make of the license plate either.
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Someone obviously loves the hot moms.
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Or is one :)
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So Galactica mounted a huge rescue mission, lost a few Raptors and will probably end up losing a few crew...for what? For a dozen people who are of no military value. So the mission ends up costing more than it's worth. How many survivors could those Raptors carry anyway? Let's say three people extra per ship, times 17 ships...50 people. Sacrificing a significant part of the fleet's military assets for 50 people. That **** would never fly if Cain were still around.
Also, am I the only one seeing a distinct lack of Cylon attacks in the entire second season? It's like the Cyclons forgot all about their littlle crusade to eradicate humanity. "Oops, we sort of, er, forgot about the central story element. Here, watch Baltar look sullen some more"
Though I have to admit, the writers never do what you would expect. Sharon-clone and Number 6-clone having a change of heart=didn't see that coming, did'ya!? My bet is on Boomer and Helo making a run for it on Caprica.
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Raptor can carry eight-ten people plus crew. So they could bring back six-eight people per Raptor subtracting the two marines each. So 100 people at minimum.
Also, let's not forget humans are kinda a valuable commodity now. :p
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Also, am I the only one seeing a distinct lack of Cylon attacks in the entire second season?
Yes. There were Cylon attacks in many second season episodes.
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Also, am I the only one seeing a distinct lack of Cylon attacks in the entire second season?
Yes. There were Cylon attacks in many second season episodes.
Like the entire martial law arc, Boomer technobabble, does Res Ship count?
Today is a sad day indeed. Season 3 will start in October, but apparently tonight's episode is a long one (90 mins or something) so it at least kinda compensates. Also, rumour mill has gone absolutely insane, with completely ****ed-up stuff being spoiled all the time.
Also, NBC considers moving BSG from SciFi to NBC, which could be good or very bad.
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Like the entire martial law arc, Boomer technobabble, does Res Ship count?
Well, they almost lost the Pegasus to a Cylon ambush a couple of episodes ago.
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Like the entire martial law arc, Boomer technobabble, does Res Ship count?
Well, they almost lost the Pegasus to a Cylon ambush a couple of episodes ago.
oh yeah that too
point proven i guess
Billy,
don't be a hero.
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Today is a sad day indeed. Season 3 will start in October, but apparently tonight's episode is a long one (90 mins or something) so it at least kinda compensates.
October ? .... OCTOBER ?!? ... what the hell am I supposed to do during the summer ?
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Also, am I the only one seeing a distinct lack of Cylon attacks in the entire second season? It's like the Cyclons forgot all about their littlle crusade to eradicate humanity. "Oops, we sort of, er, forgot about the central story element. Here, watch Baltar look sullen some more"
Did you not cotton on to the fact that with the Res ship gone cylon raiders don't res either? That's exactly why the Cylons had to go over to ambushes and long periods with no attacks.
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Also, am I the only one seeing a distinct lack of Cylon attacks in the entire second season? It's like the Cyclons forgot all about their littlle crusade to eradicate humanity. "Oops, we sort of, er, forgot about the central story element. Here, watch Baltar look sullen some more"
Did you not cotton on to the fact that with the Res ship gone cylon raiders don't res either? That's exactly why the Cylons had to go over to ambushes and long periods with no attacks.
But those ambushes aren't small either. They came at the Pegasus with 3 Basestars and probably a dozen squadrons of Raiders.
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Because they figured they had a chance of winning.
It's one thing to commit your forces to harrass the enemy like in 33 and lose lots of them if they can be simply put into a new body and sent out again. It's a completely different matter to waste them harrassing the enemy for no major gain when those raiders are now permenently dead and you now need to train/insert new personalities without the same amount of combat experience.
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But see, it stands to reason that given the Cyclon's advantage in technolgy as well as numbers, they could simply mount attacks on Galactica until it was destroyed. I'm figuring they have several dozen Basestars at the very least, and more importantly they have an ability to construct new ones while the Colonials don't. I mean. they had enough firepower to wipe out the entire Colonial fleet in a matter of hours, how hard can two Battlestars be?
(I realize I'm nitpicking and being an asshole, because if this logic were followed there would be no series...but still.)
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AND THEY HAVE A PLAN
If they really wanted, they could have wiped out the Galactica and the fleet. But they didn't....
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Which shows that they are holding back deliberately. Which makes it even more stupid to waste resources.
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Well damn, that was a hell of a finale.
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Well damn, that was a hell of a finale.
QFT man, QFT.... I mean, that was... Jesus that was some gooooooooooood television. I am going to go through withdrawl though, we gotta wait until OCTOBER for new episodes.... It just isn't fair man.
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That was awesome.
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That was such a radical change that I thought it was all Baltar's dream until the moment the credits ran. Sonova...
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That was such a radical change that I thought it was all Baltar's dream until the moment the credits ran. Sonova...
Haha, my dad thought the exact same things. "This is a dream. It's gotta be," he says.
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godamnit Gias "bain of humanity" Balter, kill yourself all-****ing-ready.
it isn't good enough that you let the cylons practicly wipe out the human race for a good lay, or that you actively help them kill off the straglers, but you were ultimately responcable for them finding the fleet (and the destruction of cloud 9 and sevral other ships) I mean, just think how much better the world would be without a Baltar, the string of events steming from him is just amazeing, how can he have not killed himself by now!?
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That was such a radical change that I thought it was all Baltar's dream until the moment the credits ran. Sonova...
It still may be ;7
But anyway, I felt that the first 2/3rds were good but then it's like oh BAM a year later. A year? WTH? They were basically going week by week and sometimes last weeks impacts etc impacted the next. All the relationship stuff that they had each week...who was with who and why and then BAM ...year later. Adama with a mustache..dunno if it was real or not but really looked out of place to me after seeing him w/out it for so long. (did he ever have one ?)
In addition, I'm surprised that Baltar wasn't thrown out of office the way he was rationing and keeping basic needs from people (anti-biotics....this was never implicetly said but it was implied with the strike and how people acted?) Starbuck getting married/long hair stunned me as well.
Also, I can't really figure out why Adama jumped away with the fleet....where is he gonna go? He can't regroup anywhere I mean everyone who is gonna be there was there already. They don't even have enough of a force let alone a trained force to hardly muster a fighter squadren themselves.
All interesting questions and scenarios for next season....wonder how long baltar will be President when they figure themselves out of this. (I wonder if Baltar will become emperor or something since the 2 female cylons..(six and ...Sharon../eight?) are probably running things and she still obviously has a thing for him.)
godamnit Gias "bain of humanity" Balter, kill yourself all-****ing-ready.
it isn't good enough that you let the cylons practicly wipe out the human race for a good lay, or that you actively help them kill off the straglers, but you were ultimately responcable for them finding the fleet (and the destruction of cloud 9 and sevral other ships) I mean, just think how much better the world would be without a Baltar, the string of events steming from him is just amazeing, how can he have not killed himself by now!?
But just think, as others have mentioned that the cylons look to be purposely holding back (baby?) And if Baltar was never there they might've wiped them out long ago.
EDIT ADD: Also , AL as a cylon..I seriously didn't see that comming but as soon as I saw him on Caprica i was like oh my...
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Firstly, in the "flashbacks" Adama has a little fuzz
Secondly what was he supposed to do? It was said they could barely bring the ship up to combat readiness, let alone engage. At least this way there's still a chance.
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EDIT ADD: Also , AL as a cylon..I seriously didn't see that comming but as soon as I saw him on Caprica i was like oh my...
don't know if this is a spoiler or not, but when Al-GalacticaFleet saw his "brother" (Al-Caprica) his reaction was what made my night.
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Woo! Baltar's love shack!
...and then like any bad ex Six had to ruin the fun :p
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well it just ended in my time zone and i just need to say
WHAT THE FRAK!!!
that said i fail to see why they continued to stay after the nuclear explosion. i mean gias as well as everyone else in the fleet, shoulda been smart enough to see that coming. nuclear road flare dun de duh! none the less it was an intresting show, completely unpredictable and such. the year gap is kind of a reset button on character development plots. not sure if thats a good thing or not. with the talent of the writers as seen thus far its probibly a good thing..as for adama's decision to flee i think it was a good call. they really didnt stand a chance against that fleet. i wish they would have damage caused by the nuclear explosion. anyone manage to count the total number of dead ships? i also wonder what kinda body count that racked up for the cylons. anyway i cant wait till october. its gonna be one long wait.
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"would you mind telling me whats going on! I'm not a fraking cylon! I'm noeh... ...oh... wel... ok then..."
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Since the total when they started the episode was 49,550 and the city size was 39,159ish, I think it's safe to assume almost 10k died in that explosion. I also saw at least 4 ships go in all.
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well that was city population, there was still quite a bit of fleet left in orbit and all of them seemed to have a skeleton crew at the very least. some may very well still be heavily populated because of the surface living conditions. still your assesment is valid.
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Well of course I'm assuming they all stayed in one city. With the apparent lack of supplies and impending strikes, I don't see too many thousands blazing new trails.
I'm also assuming with Tigh moving down it was a sign of a very very small crew. Even if you lowball it and assume 1-2k in space it's still at least 8 thousand deaths.
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AND THEY HAVE A PLAN
If they really wanted, they could have wiped out the Galactica and the fleet. But they didn't....
Cylons have a plan, but RDM doesn't. He really just comes up with stuff. The entire Helo subplot in Season 1 was because audience asked what happened to that nice boy they left in Caprica! It doesn't mean that his gut isn't good and genious, though.
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Ok, I just watched the season finale and I am baffled, jumpy and generally pretty freaked-out. That was excellent TV if I may say so. Do youselves a favour and watch it, pretty please.
HUGE FRAKKING SPOILERS. Do not spoil yourself, seriously.
What the **** are they going to do? They don't have manpower to even put up a CAP, 30 000 of the residents are now under the iron heel of Cylon jackboot and they have lost pres, Cottle, Starbuck and tons of others. They can't even get the lights going on the Bucket and I don't even know how the supplies situation is.
October can't come soon enough.
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godamnit Gias "bain of humanity" Balter
So it was YOU who printed those ballots!
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Damn that Callie... "I forgive you , I love you!" - seriously she should be the poster child for battered women!
President of the Colonies? Can you honestly see Baltar running an ant farm sucesfully? "Hey if I got only 1 ant left, it's still a sucess!"
I don't know that RDM is abandoning the 'War of Gods' thing. After all he keeps going back to their religion. The Colonials WORSHIP GOD and also the 12 Lords of Kobol. they are NOT interchangeable... There is ONE God and the Lords have names... ATHENA, ARTEMIS, APOLLO...ect... Duno if there is a listing of all so I would hazard a guess at this time that Zues/Chronos might tbe the head God?
In TOS the Lords are NEVER named (only the "fallen one" Iblis)...
I firmly stand that Earth is the origin and Kobol a colony (how the FRAK else do you know a planet exists if no one has been there but the 13th tribe???) "Ok, like you 12 douchebags go that way, we're going this way to a planet called Earth! yeah, that's the ticket! See you in 2 thousand years losers!"
Here's an excerpt from my fanfiction crossover (TOS Pegasus jumps from their universe's Capella node to the GTVA Epsilon Pegasi node by ACCIDENT after killing two base ships and trying toi blind jump at the now unstable node - episode called "The Living Legend part2".)
Epsilon Pegasi - 1630 hours
The 67 surviors of the 93 that stayed on board the Pegasus had been briefed by Cain on the findings of the GTVA in regards to the releationship between Earth and the Colonies. Some took it hard while others were merely confused.
Cain had appealed to them to overcome this religious dilemma.
"Look, I am no priest, I'm a warrior... They seem to have proof that Humans originated on Earth millions of years ago while we only have moldy scrolls from 2 THOUSAND years. Obviously something is not right about this, but it's not our job to worry about it. Our job is to assimilate as much as needed with this ENORMOUS Human culture and try to find the Galactica. I hope and pray she and the Civillian fleet can be located and brought to the safety of GTVA space. After that, then we can worry about resolving religious or philosophical debates on Humanities origin and all that felgercarb [bull****]. I am counting on all of you to be true to yourselves, but still be flexible enough to put aside any internal conflicts long enough to make this happen. I promise as soon as possible we will then strike out back to home and retake our beloved colonies. Till then, until that glorious day is possible can I count on you?"
To a warrior, they unanimously shouted, "Aye!"
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Damn that Callie... "I forgive you , I love you!" - seriously she should be the poster child for battered women!
Uhhh, it's not like he was hitting her to control her. He was going through a pathological breakdown.
President of the Colonies? Can you honestly see Baltar running an ant farm sucesfully? "Hey if I got only 1 ant left, it's still a sucess!"
I think that's kind of the idea.
I don't know that RDM is abandoning the 'War of Gods' thing. After all he keeps going back to their religion. The Colonials WORSHIP GOD and also the 12 Lords of Kobol. they are NOT interchangeable... There is ONE God and the Lords have names... ATHENA, ARTEMIS, APOLLO...ect... Duno if there is a listing of all so I would hazard a guess at this time that Zues/Chronos might tbe the head God?
The Colonials worship the Gods, which are the Lords of Kobol. Only the Cylons worship God, singular.
I firmly stand that Earth is the origin and Kobol a colony (how the FRAK else do you know a planet exists if no one has been there but the 13th tribe???) "Ok, like you 12 douchebags go that way, we're going this way to a planet called Earth! yeah, that's the ticket! See you in 2 thousand years losers!"
Again, that question is sort of the point. They don't know, empirically, that Earth exists; they believe it exists because their scriptures mention a 13th tribe departing to settle a different world.
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I'm just hoping that they don't ditch the whole Cylon god deal, because Al's comments sort of sound like: "Well we can't prove the gods, and I didn't even mention our god."
I think it would have been a bit more powerful with: "Your gods we can't prove our disprove. Our god is real though, but I'm not sure what god thinks about the war heroes' plans..."
Instead it seems sort of like a 180, when it should just be a 90 turn.
Anyway, a bit disappointed that nothing really new has cropped up especially after the "Late in season 2 you'll learn a ton more about the Colonial scriptures and Cylon god."
I want Iblis to show up with a pimp cane damn it! (with Cain at his side as the evil #12! mwuahahaha!)
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I got the idea that the 'Al' model is the only one wich has atheistic tendencies, remember how they were saying that they were trying to 'tell the others for years'
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Even then to me it sort of detracts from the 'Cylon god is so prevalent, personal, it's THERE' sort of thing. The other Cylons acknowledge the 'gods' as being real but false. I'd have Al deny them outright 'gods shmods...' but add a creepy factor of 'ours is real.'
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It's not creepy, you see it every day that two religious people(s) come into contact with each other.
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i think the whole of season 3 will be the fight to liberate new caprica (or whatever they decided to name it). i very much doubt they are gonna get everyone back in the fleet in a few episodes. i do forsee characters like starbuck and tigh trying to escape in one of those raptors they had on the planet. adama and son will probibly regroup and try to mount some kind of rescue op. but with so many basestars in orbit its gonna take a few episodes at the least.
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Season 3 will be totally different. Instead of occasional scenes on "CYLON-OCCUPIED CAPRICA", we'll have scenes on "CYLON-OCCUPIED NEW CAPRICA".
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The Galactica and Pegasus head back to the old cylon occupied planets and pick up more survivors.
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Clickey!
http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/
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1. Gaius Baltar is officially the ****ing Devil. No wait, actually, he's a Cylon. They never showed all the models, right? He's done several thousand times more harm to humanity than any Cylon could. Oooh, wait, maybe that's the message. "No one can **** us over half as successfully as we can **** ourselves over".
2. Isn't Cally like 18. Or something. She's damn young. Nothin' like a bit of the ol' abuse and pedophilia to pull in the ratings.
3. What happened between Apollo and Starbuck? It would have to be something pretty bad.
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Did anyone listen to the podcast for the season finale? I swear I heard Moore say that Olmos is not coming back for season 3. Were they joking? I really hope they were because it isnt BSG without Admiral Adama...
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Isn't Cally like 18. Or something. She's damn young. Nothin' like a bit of the ol' abuse and pedophilia to pull in the ratings.
First of all, where did you get that she's eighteen? Second of all, eighteen isn't pedophilia.
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its funny that everyone hooked up with the exception of roslin + adama. theyd make a good pair.
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Isn't Cally like 18. Or something. She's damn young. Nothin' like a bit of the ol' abuse and pedophilia to pull in the ratings.
First of all, where did you get that she's eighteen? Second of all, eighteen isn't pedophilia.
Use yer eyes man! Still, c'mon, age difference. Not that I don't like the changes; finally someone has the balls to get creative and actually make something worth watching.
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its funny that everyone hooked up with the exception of roslin + adama. theyd make a good pair.
Yeah, personally with this whole mess I would have had it set up like:
"Adama: Tigh, head back down and spend time with your wife."
"Tigh: With all due respect, hell no Admiral. I've been off the sauce for over six months with her down there instead of here. I'm glad to be away from that witch."
"Adama: She is your wife you know."
"Tigh: *hmmph* I heard Laura is wanting you to come down for some R&R."
blah blah
In the end Tigh convinces Adama to take some leave before Tigh 'retires.'
Cylons attack, Tigh and Apollo leave. The Admiral is then on the planet.
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2. Isn't Cally like 18. Or something. She's damn young. Nothin' like a bit of the ol' abuse and pedophilia to pull in the ratings.
Well since humanity was on the verge of extension, I'm sure nobody cared. Also going back and listening to the dialogue in the background of the strike meeting made me laugh some.
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its funny that everyone hooked up with the exception of roslin + adama. theyd make a good pair.
I'm still slightly troubled by Major Dee, Lee's XO. She was enlisted before Lee was given Pegasus. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that kind of massive promotion something that shouldn't happen?
I think Lee's let his power go to his head. Should prove rather unentertaining....
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i dont really think its power more that convinence. it seems like sitting around a battlestar is less desirable than living down on the planet. so i dont think it would be a job anyone would pounce on. in the case of them two they have the whole ship to themselves and thus it has its advantages. like bonin' on the command console :D
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its funny that everyone hooked up with the exception of roslin + adama. theyd make a good pair.
I'm still slightly troubled by Major Dee, Lee's XO. She was enlisted before Lee was given Pegasus. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that kind of massive promotion something that shouldn't happen?
I think Lee's let his power go to his head. Should prove rather unentertaining....
How many alternatives are there? IIRC, Pegasus' crew had a large number who were forced into serving, after all.
Isn't Cally like 18. Or something. She's damn young. Nothin' like a bit of the ol' abuse and pedophilia to pull in the ratings.
First of all, where did you get that she's eighteen? Second of all, eighteen isn't pedophilia.
Use yer eyes man! Still, c'mon, age difference. Not that I don't like the changes; finally someone has the balls to get creative and actually make something worth watching.
The actress who plays Cally (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0167435/) is 23, and the actor who plays Tyrol (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0234928/) is 34 FYI. Large gap, but not unheard of.
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Okay, is it just me, or when future Tyrol & Cally appeared on-screen, did anyone else suddenly think White-trash!
Plus, i'm thinking something's gonna happen between the newly returned Galactica-Boomer and Tyrol... "Hmmm, live with my preggers wife, or go have crazy sex with a hot woman that likely doesn't age... decisions, decisions."
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i tell you i like sweet innocent callie over white trash callie any day.
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Okay, is it just me, or when future Tyrol & Cally appeared on-screen, did anyone else suddenly think White-trash!
Plus, i'm thinking something's gonna happen between the newly returned Galactica-Boomer and Tyrol... "Hmmm, live with my preggers wife, or go have crazy sex with a hot woman that likely doesn't age... decisions, decisions."
Yeah, because Galactica-Boomer won't worry one bit that he's knocked up one of his deck crew.......
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Touche.
In other matters... any ideas as to how Galactica and Pegasus can hope to survive with a skeleton crew, a years worth of disrepair, and minimal support in terms of supplies and manpower?
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Touche.
In other matters... any ideas as to how Galactica and Pegasus can hope to survive with a skeleton crew, a years worth of disrepair, and minimal support in terms of supplies and manpower?
I don't know, but
RDM has said that the Occupation arc will last 3-5 episodes and after that people are once again on board those stupid ships. So at least somehow, I gather.
As long as engines, power grid, essential computah superpowahs and hull last at least somehow, Battlestars can at least limp away. And they have a lot of other ships there too, cannibalizing them isn't too far-fetched idea at this point.
Here's wishing New Caprica at least helped their screwed supply situation a bit, or otherwise 3rd season will be "oh god running out of **** part deux" all over again.
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In the words of Hoban Washburn: "This could get interesting."
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In other matters... any ideas as to how Galactica and Pegasus can hope to survive with a skeleton crew, a years worth of disrepair, and minimal support in terms of supplies and manpower?
Well, they've got the motivation to do the impossible, and the Cylons are supposedly gone from the Colonies now, so they could always jump back to the Scorpion Drive Yards or whatever other Colonial installations there were (the return to Ragnar?) and crash-refit. The parts are still in storage, as long as the storage is still there. Possibly picking up other ships and/or crew along the way. There were probably survivors on some of the other colonies too, not just Caprica, and we know that simply blowing the crud out of it wasn't the only option the Cylons had for dealing with a ship.
The Basestars would be tricky, but I think if you tried you could hit-and-run them to death. Pegasus can certainly wreak all kinds of havoc in only a few salvos from the main battery. Jump in, lay waste to one, jump out before the others can respond. Lather rinse repeat.
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Err, I'm more convinced that first, the Ex-Prez will be doing some impossible maneouver with Colonial One (they made it very clear it was on the ground, wasted a ****load of money to make it look good) escaping atmosphere and jumping, etc. etc.
Then they'll all come back, save the rest, go on to Earth.
Then again, maybe not.
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In other matters... any ideas as to how Galactica and Pegasus can hope to survive with a skeleton crew, a years worth of disrepair, and minimal support in terms of supplies and manpower?
Well, they've got the motivation to do the impossible, and the Cylons are supposedly gone from the Colonies now, so they could always jump back to the Scorpion Drive Yards or whatever other Colonial installations there were (the return to Ragnar?) and crash-refit. The parts are still in storage, as long as the storage is still there. Possibly picking up other ships and/or crew along the way. There were probably survivors on some of the other colonies too, not just Caprica, and we know that simply blowing the crud out of it wasn't the only option the Cylons had for dealing with a ship.
The Basestars would be tricky, but I think if you tried you could hit-and-run them to death. Pegasus can certainly wreak all kinds of havoc in only a few salvos from the main battery. Jump in, lay waste to one, jump out before the others can respond. Lather rinse repeat.
Surely they have a few spare nukes, too?
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The Basestars would be tricky, but I think if you tried you could hit-and-run them to death. Pegasus can certainly wreak all kinds of havoc in only a few salvos from the main battery. Jump in, lay waste to one, jump out before the others can respond. Lather rinse repeat.
Seems like that would only work once... jump in, destroy a basestar, jump out, jump in behind where another basestar should be but isn't because they got the hell out of there?
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Did anyone listen to the podcast for the season finale? I swear I heard Moore say that Olmos is not coming back for season 3. Were they joking? I really hope they were because it isnt BSG without Admiral Adama...
That's crazy talk. Proof it or I'll have to break your legs, for making me nervous for no reason.
EDIT: Phew (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=34893)
Also, seeing Adama with a moustache made the Miami Vice theme play in my head.
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Hmmm.... when the fleet was jumping out, did anyone else notice this? (http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=175&pos=1078) The ship appears to be something from the classic expanded universe or fandom, as it looks like a Circe-class (http://www.colonialfleets.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=128&s=65c0365ef329f585677ec0a3449e6d7a) or a Colonial Defender (http://www.colonialfleets.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=277&s=65c0365ef329f585677ec0a3449e6d7a) Now, is this something along the lines of the Enterprise and Serenity being in there just as a gag, or did the fleet find someone else out there? Or did they make a new ship?
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Seems like that would only work once... jump in, destroy a basestar, jump out, jump in behind where another basestar should be but isn't because they got the hell out of there?
That's why you watch them with Raptors. And yeah, the nukes work too. Galactica has the right number left too, doesn't it?
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I get the horrible feeling deep down in the depths of my perverted heart that we might just see the Pegasus going, uhm... nose to waist with a Basestar at some point, seeing who is built tougher... :nervous:
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im supprised that the peggy has lasted nearly as long as it has. i honestly didnt think it would last very long, a few episodes tops and certainly not this long. but i do have the feeling the liberation effort will cost them a few ships. id send in a wave of raptors with nukes, soften them up abit, and then bring the battlestars in to finish the job.
i just watched the fanalie again, damn baltar pisses me off.
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So Baltar just managed **** up everything really bad. He single handedly managed to hand over most of humanity to the Cylons in one move.
I really didn't see a lot of these plot twists coming. Al being a Cylon? The reaction was funnier than hell.
Still, the next season should be interesting.
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im supprised that the peggy has lasted nearly as long as it has. i honestly didnt think it would last very long, a few episodes tops and certainly not this long. but i do have the feeling the liberation effort will cost them a few ships. id send in a wave of raptors with nukes, soften them up abit, and then bring the battlestars in to finish the job.
i just watched the fanalie again, damn baltar pisses me off.
Apparently, the Pegasus survives largely to throw off fan expectations. I think it survives at least the 1st half of S3 (unconfirmed); but it's pretty valuable for the story, I think, and I wouldn't be surprised if it survives much much longer because of the opportunities it gives.
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yea, the way it was before peggy you really couldnt do anything about basestars, save nuking them. but as we know galactica's warhead supply is short. peggy gives em that assault ability. otherwise galactica is just a defensive platform.
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Of course, we don't know for sure that Galactica doesn't have the same anti-cap torpedoes that the Pegasus has.
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Of course, we don't know for sure that Galactica doesn't have the same anti-cap torpedoes that the Pegasus has.
Has some rather large main guns on the front, for one thing, which I'm sure are for anti-Basestar use. I think they were shown used in the miniseries (just before Tigh gives a warning to Gaeta? that one of the ammo hoists is red or similar).
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That's in "33", and I think it was for the upper main battery guns. Galactica's main battery is more flexible then Pegasus', mounted upper (presumably lower too, but there's never been a good shot of the underside of the ship AFAIK) in full turrets rather then forward-mounted fixed. Less rate of fire, but twice as many guns (not counting the underside ones which may or may not exist). It probably all works out to about the same. And Galactica's main battery capable of damaging a Basestar; witness the salvo fire it put out in "Resurrection Ship, Part II".
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That's in "33", and I think it was for the upper main battery guns. Galactica's main battery is more flexible then Pegasus', mounted upper (presumably lower too, but there's never been a good shot of the underside of the ship AFAIK) in full turrets rather then forward-mounted fixed. Less rate of fire, but twice as many guns (not counting the underside ones which may or may not exist). It probably all works out to about the same. And Galactica's main battery capable of damaging a Basestar; witness the salvo fire it put out in "Resurrection Ship, Part II".
So it was. Just started watching it from scratch again, got them mixed up; I'm sure there's some large turrets mounted in the 'nose' section, I'll see if I can work out some way to get a shot of it. Resurrection (1 & 2) isn't on over here until next Tuesday, though.
EDIT; ok, the shot I'm thinking of isn't in 33. I think it's in the miniseries; not sure how I got it and that line from 33 mixed up.
EDIT2; ok, have absolutely no idea where it is. Distinctly remember it, it's a cutshot to the sort of gap in the bow, which shows 2 large guns firing away.
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I remember it as well, it's right before the Galactica jumps out.
Galactica does have big guns, but are apparently nowhere near as powerful as Pegasus' - or they make less of a boom.