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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Deepblue on April 29, 2006, 09:49:15 am
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Respectful, chilling, and powerful. No recognizable actors, and many people play themselves making the events and the reactions thereof completely real and shocking.
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I think, even if I wanted to waste ten dollars on seeing this movie, I wouldn't be able to because I would be seeing it with my friends, and one of us would end up laughing and then we'd all be laughing and then, well... then we would be in a bad situation.
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If you laugh during these movie I suggest you go to an insane asylum. Quite literally, you relive the events of 9/11 as they unfold from the perspective of the air traffic controllers and the passengers of Flight 93. There are no heroic speeches, no character development, you know as much about everybody as you would if you had boarded the flight with them. If you don't want to relive that day, you do not want to see this movie.
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One question, are the terrorists properly portrayed?
For example, are the terrorists dumbfounded right as everyone's going to crash, having an "oh my god" moment, or are they all chanting to Allah and cheering and happy that they got to kill some innocent people?
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See, the more serious it is, the lower the critical mass for laughter. It starts as just some idle remark that causes little more than a silent snort, but that's all it takes to open the door to the Id's dungeon and say, "Come on out!" And it does. Idle observations become inappropriate quips, which become elaborate jokes, and before you know it, we're convulsing violently to prevent the laughter from escaping. But probablilty dictates that before that movie is over, containment will fail.
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See, the more serious it is, the lower the critical mass for laughter. It starts as just some idle remark that causes little more than a silent snort, but that's all it takes to open the door to the Id's dungeon and say, "Come on out!" And it does. Idle observations become inappropriate quips, which become elaborate jokes, and before you know it, we're convulsing violently to prevent the laughter from escaping. But probablilty dictates that before that movie is over, containment will fail.
It's a very unfunny movie. No irony, no innuendo. Just terror, hope, and courage.
@Nix. Yes.
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It's a very unfunny movie. No irony, no innuendo. Just terror, hope, and courage.
Precisely. That's the point.
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First of all, dramatizing the events cheapens the events themselves. Secondly, it's already pretty apparent what this movie is going to be like, namely a star-spangled cliche. Hollywood has habit of making the same movie again and again but with a different superficial covering each time. Not to sound cynical, but what I expect is Million Dollar Baby plus plane plus terrorists.
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First of all, dramatizing the events cheapens the events themselves.
Unless you do it like Fargo. That was awesome.
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Not to sound cynical, but what I expect is Million Dollar Baby plus plane plus terrorists.
Now if they could mix in some Snakes.....
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Now if they could mix in some Snakes.....
Why won't that joke just f***ing die already!!
Regarding the movie, how many 'roll-your-eyes pandering to the overly patriotic' scenes are there?
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I'm gonna guess that you can probably figure that out by counting the number of scenes in the movie.
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:lol: Touche
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It's a very unfunny movie. No irony, no innuendo. Just terror, hope, and courage.
Sounds like watching a funeral.
I'm gonna guess that you can probably figure that out by counting the number of scenes in the movie.
"Honey, now we're up off the ground, I'm just going to nip to the loo.... for America"
"Ok, don't forget to wash your hands......for America"
"God bless this country, with our impeccable hygiene and airline toilets"
"Yes, god bless"
"oh, look, an Arab. How lucky he must feel, to be..... in America."
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"Honey, now we're up off the ground, I'm just going to nip to the loo.... for America"
"Ok, don't forget to wash your hands......for America"
"God bless this country, with our impeccable hygiene and airline toilets"
"Yes, god bless"
"oh, look, an Arab. How lucky he must feel, to be..... in America."
Ah so you saw it then.
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Not to sound cynical, but what I expect is Million Dollar Baby plus plane plus terrorists.
Don't be so ****ing stupid.
The Saudi's only had knives. She'd've boxed the **** outta them.
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All of you are a bunch of idiotic cynics. The movie DOESN'T FRACKING HAVE "PATRIOTIC" MOMENTS. THERE ARE NO SPEECHES. IT IS NOT STAR-STUDDED. MANY OF THE PEOPLE PLAY THEMSELVES. It is a record of, as accurately as possible, the events on United 93 as well as the air-traffic control center.
THERE IS NO BLOODY DRAMA. It's raw and unflinching, and it IS reliving the events of 9-11. It does not cheapen, unless you thought the events themselves were "cheap."
Bloody hell. :rolleyes:
If this wasn't the internet, I would slap all of you.
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All of you are a bunch of idiotic cynics. The movie DOESN'T FRACKING HAVE "PATRIOTIC" MOMENTS. THERE ARE NO SPEECHES. IT IS NOT STAR-STUDDED. MANY OF THE PEOPLE PLAY THEMSELVES. It is a record of, as accurately as possible, the events on United 93 as well as the air-traffic control center.
THERE IS NO BLOODY DRAMA. It's raw and unflinching, and it IS reliving the events of 9-11. It does not cheapen, unless you thought the events themselves were "cheap."
Bloody hell. :rolleyes:
If this wasn't the internet, I would slap all of you.
And you would promptly get the **** kicked out of you by a large group of people who do understand what the term 'satire' means.
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In all seriousness, I can believe that, but I just find the entire concept stupid. It's not even that it's about 9/11 in particular. I just find this whole genre of "re-living the event" films to be somewhat silly. What is anyone getting out of this? I suppose it just had to be made in the interest of general catharsis.
I think the really priceless one is going to be the other 9/11 film that's coming out. I have a feeling that's going to be rated PG for Patriotic Garbage.
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What a horrible excuse for a movie. The movie industry's taking money for stabbing the scabs that've formed over this whole 9/11 mess and watching them bleed. Can't we just move the **** on?
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All of you are a bunch of idiotic cynics. The movie DOESN'T FRACKING HAVE "PATRIOTIC" MOMENTS. THERE ARE NO SPEECHES. IT IS NOT STAR-STUDDED. MANY OF THE PEOPLE PLAY THEMSELVES.
Remind me exactly how many people are playing themselves in a film about a plane that crashed into the ground killing all onboard?
Jeez, get that stick oot from between yer bumcheeks, eh? Bloody 'ell.
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Why would anyone want to share the 'experience' of being murdered in the first place?
Sounds like a pointless, and rather sick attempt to cash in on the profits of Terror to be honest.
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It's based on 'all available data' to recreate the events. So where does this data come from. Far as I remember it being reported, no one knew why the plane went down. Maybe I'm missing a big piece of the pie but is this just one possible reconstruction? That happens to portray everyday joes becoming heroes?
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Wasn't all the information/videos etc regarding the incident siezed for investigation anyway, was that data made public again?
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i'll wait for the "air crash investigation" version to come up on National Geographic, either that, or wait some time for the remakes.
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It's based on 'all available data' to recreate the events. So where does this data come from. Far as I remember it being reported, no one knew why the plane went down. Maybe I'm missing a big piece of the pie but is this just one possible reconstruction? That happens to portray everyday joes becoming heroes?
The black box was recovered, and along with the phone calls, you can piece things together pretty well. After the passengers stormed the cockpit, the terrorists pointed the nose down.
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I wonder if they'll put a gag-reel on the DVD?
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Has anyone else seen it that can vouch for DB's claim that it was decent, aside from the concept? I'm as cynical as the next guy, but I'm more curious than him.
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NPR (National Public Radio) actually shared DB's thoughts on it.
If you don't want to relive that day, you do not want to see this movie.
They said it they wished it was a Hollywood movie, and that at some point everyone would realize what was going on and someone would save the day. They also said it was not at all pandering or patriotic. Just plain "real." I believe that had it not been so personal for the reviewer, he may have called it a "good movie." He certainly seemed to think the director did a "good job."
However, I knew people in the towers, it's a wee bit too personal and a wee bit too recent for me to pay money to see how terrifying their final moments must have been. I'll pass.
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All of you are a bunch of idiotic cynics. The movie DOESN'T FRACKING HAVE "PATRIOTIC" MOMENTS. THERE ARE NO SPEECHES. IT IS NOT STAR-STUDDED. MANY OF THE PEOPLE PLAY THEMSELVES. It is a record of, as accurately as possible, the events on United 93 as well as the air-traffic control center.
THERE IS NO BLOODY DRAMA. It's raw and unflinching, and it IS reliving the events of 9-11. It does not cheapen, unless you thought the events themselves were "cheap."
Bloody hell. :rolleyes:
If this wasn't the internet, I would slap all of you.
How can a film whose goal is to make PROFIT out of those events NOT cheapen them? They are being reproduced in the truest possible way in order to make money from their display to the paying public. If the producers wanted to do a public service, then they'd perhaps only charge to recoup their expenses or air it free on a public channel. But they don't. They want it to gross as high as possible in order to line their many, many pockets. Could it be any clearer without [size] tags?
And yes, I know they're giving the money to charity. A whopping 10% of it. :rolleyes:
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How can a film whose goal is to make PROFIT out of those events NOT cheapen them?
By charging loadsamoney so it's not cheap!
(NB: I believe the 10% is only from the opening weekend box office, anyways)
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Even better. That makes it a cheap ploy to get themselves a bigger opening weekend than they would otherwise. :rolleyes:
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I've not seen it, and have no desire to, but the NPR guy said he thought it would cheapen it, and he came away feeling exactly opposite. He said it worked because the events are in recent memory. Everyone still remembers in pretty vivid detail what they were doing that morning. There's apparently no clear indication of what time it is at any one point, so the audience is trying to piece together where they are in the timeline by other clues.
Sometimes people make movies for reasons other than "make a billion dollars." As much as people seem to want to hate DB for posting this, I have at least anectdotal evidence that he might be right. From what I gather, it's as well done as the likes of Schindler's List and Hotel Rwanda, neither of those films seemed to get panned for "cheapening" tragedy. Again, I have not seen it and won't, it's still too soon after events and I am still too saddened by those events, but a news source that is not CNN or FOX indicates he might be right and it may actually be a good film, and do some justice to those events.
Food for thought before everyone jumps on the "beat up DB" bandwagon.
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I fail to see how they could storm the cockpit and still manage to plough into the ground.
It's a fairly simple thing: Pull back controls -> Plane go up.
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I fail to see how they could storm the cockpit and still manage to plough into the ground.
It's a fairly simple thing: Pull back controls -> Plane go up.
Here's another fairly simple thing. It's easier for big heavy thing to go down, than big heavy thing to go up.
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Just saw it this afternoon.
It's one of the greatest movie's I've ever seen.
It's basically a docudrama, with the known facts recreated down to the smallest detail, and the educated guesses about what happened on flight 93 which are quite reasonable. There's no manipulation whatsoever; in fact the strongest part of the move, aside from the brilliant air control scenes, is the acting and the dialogue of the hijackers. They're disturbingly fervent, but human, and prone to insecurity and panacking. They were chanting passages from the Koran almost the entire time on the plane, just to try to keep themselves calm.
Actually, no, I change my mind, the strongest part of the movie is the end, when the passengers charge the cockpit, primarily because it's not protrayed as "heroism", but a wild act of desperation by people who knew they would die if they stayed in their seats.
Remind me exactly how many people are playing themselves in a film about a plane that crashed into the ground killing all onboard?
Jeez, get that stick oot from between yer bumcheeks, eh? Bloody 'ell.
The guys on the ground Aldo, not the people on the plane. Try thinking, then posting for once.
Now, you assholes will still probably claim that the movie is loaded with patriotic crap despite having not seen the movie. If there was any, then I didn't see it, and I'm as anti-US Gov. as they come.
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I never said there is, and I'm certainly not going to claim so until I've seen the movie. I think what a lot of people said is that there was likely to be. But hey, if the director decided not to go that route, props to him.
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Someone OD'd on grumpy pills today.
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i'll wait for the "air crash investigation" version to come up on National Geographic, either that, or wait some time for the remakes.
The show's actually called Seconds From Disaster, ****ing good show, it is but will always be stuck at 30 episodes. They did the 9/11 Pentagon attacks, but they never coverd Flight 93.
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Actually there is a show called Air Crash Investigations (http://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/microsites/aircrash/).
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Remind me exactly how many people are playing themselves in a film about a plane that crashed into the ground killing all onboard?
Jeez, get that stick oot from between yer bumcheeks, eh? Bloody 'ell.
The guys on the ground Aldo, not the people on the plane. Try thinking, then posting for once.
Now, you assholes will still probably claim that the movie is loaded with patriotic crap despite having not seen the movie. If there was any, then I didn't see it, and I'm as anti-US Gov. as they come.
Oh, grow a ****ing sense of humour, eh?