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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Snail on July 24, 2007, 09:52:33 am
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100 bombers... And the Ursa costs as much as a small moon. Very true.
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The Ursa doesnt cost as much as a small moon!
Its smaller than a Fenris! Much smaller! And defnitely MUCH smaller than a Hecate. The Hecate probably costed as much as 400 or so Ursas.
12 Ursas can do MUCH more damage to a Sathanas than 1 Hecate.
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Yes, the Ursa does cost as much as a small moon.
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check the wiki.
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http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Ursa
Nothing about moons.
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Yes, the Ursa does cost as much as a small moon.
I'll quote that as much as I need to. I know it's true, you can't prove me wrong.
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Yes, the Ursa does cost as much as a small moon.
I second that. I could of swore i saw it in the fs1 tech room though.
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Yes, the Ursa does cost as much as a small moon.
I second that. I could of swore i saw it in the fs1 tech room though.
That's because it is there. The wiki is incomplete.
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*tsk, tsk...*
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Yes, the Ursa does cost as much as a small moon.
Actually, it was the Orion that cost as much as a small moon. I read the FS2 tech room description. So everytime an Orion blows up, thats 1 less moon to go around.
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Yes, the Ursa does cost as much as a small moon.
Actually, it was the Orion that cost as much as a small moon. I read the FS2 tech room description. So everytime an Orion blows up, thats 1 less moon to go around.
For over 30 years, the GTD Orion class was the largest ship in the Terran-Vasudan armada. Over two kilometers in length, bristling with dozens of death-dealing turrets, the Orion is as awesome in repose as it is in battle. All GVTA Orions have been retrofitted with the latest anti-warship beam weapons, as well as flak and AAA turrets for dealing with fighters and bombers. The Orion's cavernous hanger bays easily accommodate more than two dozen fighter or bomber wings.
I see no mention of a small moon, however:
This is the biggest bomber in the Galactic Terran Alliance. With the ability to carry almost any weapon, it is almost always the weapon of choice when you just have to take out every Cruiser in the star system. This is THE Assault Bomber. With a length of 41 meters and a mass that dwarfs even the biggest of fighter-class ships, this hunk of metal can barely get enough engine power on default settings to enter subspace. While the armor and shields on this ship are the best in the Terran fleet, this craft is still just a sitting duck against enemy interceptors. Flying this ship requires either a lot of courage, or a lot of faith in your escort wing. And it's guaranteed there will be an escort wing. These ships cost more to make than it takes to buy a small moon. This is the only ship that can carry the devastating Harbinger bomb. It's a little known fact that the Harbinger was designed specifically for this angel of death.
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Thank you Ghostavo.
The Orion cost more to construct than to pay 10,000 people for three years. Figure that one out, and we can get a good feel as to how much a destroyer costs.
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Dude. Its a stupid BOMBER.
Okay, the Ursa is large, but its still a BOMBER. Hell, if each cruiser was as expensive as an Ursa, as it probably is since beam weapons would be expensive, the GTVA must have a TON of moons to throw away.... it cant cost as much as a small moon! A small moon would be the equivalent of HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars (With inflation). A B-2 Bomber is "only" 2 billion dollars...
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Dude. It's stupid CANON.
Work out how much it costs to pay 10k people for 3 years and that's how much an orion costs. M'kay?
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Well if you think about it. Jupiter has about a hundred moons. The GTVA currently has like, 15 systems under their control. Each system would have about 1000 moons. So thats about 15,000 Ursa bombers and thats considering each of the moons as a small moon. A larger moon can probably = around 5 Ursa Bombers.
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And the Orion?
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And the Orion?
Maybe a small planet like a Pluto.
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Pluto is pretty big. more like alpha centuri 1
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Splitting the thread screwd it up.
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Well, people can either have it one way or another, a split was requested, so here you go.
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Military, so 1.5 billion dollars equivalent for an Orion.
50K/year (guesstimate), 150K/person, 10000 people. Not accurate, given inflation in the GTVA :eek2:
Now, how much does a small moon cost?
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i think it's an exageration meant to be funny. you guys are all taking this to seriously
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It's certainly being taken too seriously, I think ;)
I suppose I always think that it only costs a few million to buy an island in the Bahamas, at that comes with free life-support and as much air as you can breathe. a moon doesn't, I suspect the price of a small moon isn't really all that much ;)
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But its a moon! Its giant piece of dirt in space. Its gotta cost more then a few billions. If it was that cheap and I was Bill Gates, I would buy the Moon and charge any nation that lands on it for a couple million or even billion dollars.
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Exactly. Many moons have huge reserves of natural resources... The cost of a moon is proportional to how many resources it supplies. I'm pretty damn sure that a moon has a lot of resources. For example, Ganymede and Europa have oceans and there is hydrogen and other minerals and gases on moons. Hydrogen is useful for energy, neh?
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i thought the "price of a small moon" was a wild exxageration...
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I bet some moons probably have enough resources on them to construct multiple Ursa bombers. Besides, the Ursa Bomber is a flawed design. The trio of gunmounts on the right side is so horribly placed they might as well remove it to reduce weight. They could have at least added a second turret mounted on its button side.
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a small moon would probably be like mars's moons, in other words very large asteroids with good location.
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Video of 84 Ursas with Helios and Maxims taking out one Sathanas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVEdypRB7bs
I know its dark and low quality.
Trust me. Those are Ursas. There are about 84 of them.
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What everyone is forgetting is that Ursa was brand new at the time and probably came down in price. :)
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Wow, how many Ursas were shot down?
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Think of the Insurance premiums.......... :lol:
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The cost of a moon is actually proportional to the price of any resources minus the cost of getting them out ;)
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What I want to know is who is the GTVA selling all their moons to inorder to fund this Ursa buying spree ?
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Buy one and get any 2 asteroids absolutely free?
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Wow, how many Ursas were shot down?
As far as I could tell, atleast 60. Most of the Sathanas' Flak cannons are at the front. Covering the front-4 beam cannons. Its extremely ineffective against Bombers/Fighters.
Edit: I mean, atleast 60 were still ALIVE.
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What everyone is forgetting is that Ursa was brand new at the time and probably came down in price. :)
Mentioned that in the other thread...didn't get split over.
That was when the Ursa was first created...I'm sure 32 years later the prices would be a bit lower.
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Measuring a frightening 2.1 kilometers in length, the cost to build one of these far outweighs the cost of paying the crew of this ship for 3 years.
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Yea, I doubt the crewman gets paid that much. I mean its a 2.1km Destroyer armed with the latest weapons and sensors, how can 3 years of salary to 10,000 crewman cost more then that?
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It costs as much as a small moon. It doesn't mean that the GTVA went around raffling off moons to pay for it. TAXES.
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Military, so 1.5 billion dollars equivalent for an Orion.
50K/year (guesstimate), 150K/person, 10000 people. Not accurate, given inflation in the GTVA :eek2:
Now, how much does a small moon cost?
Ha hem, High ranked officers are well payed. That number could be doubled.
Video of 84 Ursas with Helios and Maxims taking out one Sathanas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVEdypRB7bs
I know its dark and low quality.
Trust me. Those are Ursas. There are about 84 of them.
N00b. I took down the Gigas with only 12 Jotuns(no tricks, I don't even know how to use them...)
What everyone is forgetting is that Ursa was brand new at the time and probably came down in price. :)
I quote. This is the most intelligent comment so far(karajorma is karajorma). :) I'm not authorized to talk about INFA stuff but...I think that Snail took that comparison too seriously...affecting in an unusual way the tech description of a *certain* INFA Uber-bomber :lol:
And by the way, what do you intend for a "small moon"? Charon is a small moon("huge rock" is more appropriate). A huge quantity of bull**** could be considered as a small moon...meh...
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I think that Snail took that comparison too seriously...affecting in an unusual way the tech description of a *certain* INFA Uber-bomber :lol:
Ugh, come on. I had to justify the creation of huge capital ships rather than the creation of the Z3105. Why create the Icanus if a few Z3105's can blow up the Gigas?
I find it painful that a few wings of bombers can so easily kill a destroyer. :doubt:
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I think that Snail took that comparison too seriously...affecting in an unusual way the tech description of a *certain* INFA Uber-bomber :lol:
Ugh, come on. I had to justify the creation of huge capital ships rather than the creation of the Z3105. Why create the Icanus if a few Z3105's can blow up the Gigas?
The Z3105? How can a single bomber cost more than...uhm...several cruisers from scratch?
Oh, Woo will kill us. :rolleyes:
I find it painful that a few wings of bombers can so easily kill a destroyer. :doubt:
Depends. An Orion can be easily destroyed by a wing of Ursae, but a single interceptor can destroy that wing easily. Bombers are badly protected, their turrets are poor. :doubt:
Ok, Back On Topic....
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Woo already told everyone about the Z3105.
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Woo already told everyone about the Z3105.
Feeew, we can talk about the Zelos. :D
The Z3105? How can a single bomber cost more than...uhm...several cruisers from scratch?
Justify your choice.
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Look.
The Zelos is the size of the Jotun. The Jotun was made 66 years after the Great War. The Zelos was made 15 years after. Kind of a technological explosion, huh?
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Come on, some tech descriptions are stupid(GTG Zephyrus), others are poor(some Shivan fighters). The Ursa costs a lot just because of its dimensions. It doesn't seem to have "advanced systems" or an "excellent armor plating". It may cost like a small moon...if you also consider the loadout.
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The Jotun was made 66 years after the Great War. The Zelos was made 15 years after. Kind of a technological explosion, huh?
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Since when the Jotun is supposed to cost as much as a wing of cruisers? And the Zelos is a heavier version of the Ursa. And many things happen in 15 years, expecially in Sol. ;)
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How could the people in Sol, after 15 years, make something that took the GTVA 66 years to produce?
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And who's trying to compare the Jotun to the Zelos?
And remember that, INF canon or not, the situation in Sol was different... in GTVA space, people were trying to start a new life. In Sol, people were preparing themselves for a war. The EA isn't canon, ok, but is realistic: a military-centered authority, perfect for that environment.
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I bet some moons probably have enough resources on them to construct multiple Ursa bombers. Besides, the Ursa Bomber is a flawed design. The trio of gunmounts on the right side is so horribly placed they might as well remove it to reduce weight. They could have at least added a second turret mounted on its button side.
Just downloaded FS2, so I haven't used any new bombers, but the Ursa was the BEST bomber, by far, in FS 1. That side gun is perfect for chewing up larger ships. Compared to the Medusa, (which only had one gun mount anyway) and the Athena (which would have been great if it coulda carried Prometheus OR Tsunamis), the Ursa was the bomber of choice once it became available.
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I bet some moons probably have enough resources on them to construct multiple Ursa bombers. Besides, the Ursa Bomber is a flawed design. The trio of gunmounts on the right side is so horribly placed they might as well remove it to reduce weight. They could have at least added a second turret mounted on its button side.
button side? the ursa is a brick, not a button...
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I think everyone is taking that quote a little too seriously. Personally, I believe it was hyperbole, merely stating that Ursas are/were really expensive.
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I think I smell a little phycological disorder in the air. Does it really matter all that much... really?
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The fact that the people is Sol were cut off from the rest of the GTVA and were mainly tring to prepare themselfs for an incoming shivan invasion means that they coul of achieved almost as much if not more in some areas as the GTVA did! Also let us not forget that some bommbers can cost a hell of a lot of money. Take current day bommbers there was some american bommber which was reported to cost something like 1 billion dolars. That is ridiculous!
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actualy...an ursa would probably cost $30, 000 american dollars.
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I think everyone is taking that quote a little too seriously. Personally, I believe it was hyperbole, merely stating that Ursas are/were really expensive.
Give this man a cookie. :)
I think I smell a little phycological disorder in the air. Does it really matter all that much... really?
If this is going to influence the number of Zelos bombers faced in INFA...damn yes.
The fact that the people is Sol were cut off from the rest of the GTVA and were mainly tring to prepare themselfs for an incoming shivan invasion means that they coul of achieved almost as much if not more in some areas as the GTVA did! Also let us not forget that some bommbers can cost a hell of a lot of money. Take current day bommbers there was some american bommber which was reported to cost something like 1 billion dolars. That is ridiculous!
They were preparing for a total system war, they knew they would have never faced the Shivans again(I think).
And keep in mind that there are gigantic ships in FreeSpace...
actualy...an ursa would probably cost $30, 000 american dollars.
Any kind of price comparison is stupid. We can't shoot a price.
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actualy...an ursa would probably cost $30, 000 american dollars.
Wow... I can buy and Ursa!
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actualy...an ursa would probably cost $30, 000 american dollars.
Wow... I can buy and Ursa!
As I said, don't be stupid. We simply don't have the technologies necessary to build up an Ursa. Even with all the gold of the world, no one could have produced a B-2 during the First World War.
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an ursa on wheel that fires bullets and small missles (aka a tank, which costs about 70, 000 for a good one), yes. but not a space-bomber.
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Also let us not forget that some bommbers can cost a hell of a lot of money. Take current day bommbers there was some american bommber which was reported to cost something like 1 billion dolars. That is ridiculous!
2 billion dollars actually. It's the B-2 Spirit, the only stealth bomber that the public has knowledge of. Not saying there could be others but who knows...
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Actualy they were expecting the shivans to come back! Remember that the narator or who ever it was said that the shivans can rebuild them and that they can expect the shivans back but perhaps not in his lifetime but that they will surely come back.
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i live next to an airforce base, and i see a whole lot of aircraft undergoing testing. even something that looks like fusion between an artemis bobmer (fs) and a f-17 (real).
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I think he was being sarcastic.