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Title: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 29, 2007, 02:38:03 am
PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THING BEFORE REPLYING

Prologue
42 years have passed since the 2nd great war.

GTVA reunited with Sol after 12 years using the GTVA Aperio gates, and though there was a small rebellion
at the beginning because Sol had hostility towards Vasudans and thought GTVA had abandoned them, it was quickly subdued and peace returned.

the next 30 years were spent expanding, fortifying systems, and developing new military and technologies. Shivan technology was integrated heavily into GTVA weapons and ships, due to its superiority. After 30 years, the beam cannon
technology was phased out in warships, due to the lengthy charge required which was a key factor in the loss of many ships, and the new tachyon technology was developed. Torpedoes and bombs could be fired from capital ships at very high speeds, making them nigh-impossible to be shot down. The shockwaves also meant that fighters and  bombers being launched from the enemy ships would be pulverised. The varying weaponry include the High Explosive batteries, Shockwave batteries, and anti-subsystem batteries.

Scientific breakthroughs from science ships monitoring the Sathani destruction of the Capella allowed breakthroughs in weapon technology the GTVA thought never possible. New 'subspace cannons' were developed. In effect, this allowed a warship, given that it had a capable-enough reactor, to fire a powerful beam at a warships engines, which forced it into subspace. The sudden shock of travelling into subspace meant that the enemy ship would be forced into an unstable jump corridor and would implode the instant it disappeared into the corridor.

The plans to create more Colossi was scrapped, the Orion was retired, and the new Dreadnaught class ships were developed, much larger then destroyers, but not as large as the Colossus. This meant they did not take so long to produce, only 2 years or so, and given the amount of shipyards throughout GTVA space. in 20 years, every single battlegroup had at least 1 Dreadnaught in it.

New fighters and bombers were developed, based on streamline, low-profile targets, and with new breakthroughs in reactor and energy capabilities, it was capable to make them fly at higher speeds and more powerful weaponry.
the new gunship class meant that cruisers were no longer nessecary in the fleets, and  they were retired to policing planets. Corvettes, destroyers, and Dreadnaughts were the backbone of the new, powerful GTVA fleets, backed up by new high-speed fighters, strike bombers, and gunships.

The shivans would never threaten GTVA space again. And it didn't.

The new threat would not come from rebellion or insurgency, and it would not come from Shivans.


***FEATURES***

*An entire overhaul of ships and weaponry*
*A new race*
*voice-acting*
*Players will be able to mount beam cannons*
*Capital ship battle will have a more galleon-eque style of battle*
*Not more cliche shivans*
*A plot that will blow you away*


This will be a very-long, unprecedented endeavour which i am already making the effort to undertake. If anyone is interested in assisting me (not doing all the work, but working co-operatively alongside me) in this, or wants to know more about the storyline, PM me. I'm aiming to have about 30 missions, give or take.

***EDIT*** Campaign is now titled 'Destruction'.

Also, criticism is welcome, but don't be too harsh please.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Cobra on July 29, 2007, 03:08:43 am
*hurk*

Sound idea, but it just isn't a great war without Shivans.

I'm also quite sure this will never be finished, since most people on this board have real life commitments and are already engaged with campaigns or mods like Machina Terra or T-V War Project. Not to mention a lot of people have probably thought about this along with their "complex campaign with branching missions and variables and stuff" ideas.

Just my take. Good luck though. You're really gonna need it.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: jr2 on July 29, 2007, 03:18:10 am
Eh... but PI came out, didn't it?   BTW, good luck, VC.  :D  Hopefully we can get some of these other campaigns released soon so that ppl will be free to help with yours... *cough*BP*cough*
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Cobra on July 29, 2007, 03:21:39 am
Eh... but PI came out, didn't it?

After 6 years. :P
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: jr2 on July 29, 2007, 03:34:52 am

I'm also quite sure this will never be finished,

But it did come out.. it all depends on VC's commitment to his project.  It's totally up to him.  Others can help, but he's ultimately got to make it fly.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 29, 2007, 03:47:03 am
This isn't something i want to do, this is something i NEED to do, since i'm going to show it off to big gaming companies as experience to get me into the business.   ;)


that, and i got nothing better to do.   :P
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: mr.WHO on July 29, 2007, 04:17:17 am
Let me guess - Ancients (from Inferno) will be new enemy??
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: TrashMan on July 29, 2007, 05:20:45 am
*hurk*

Sound idea, but it just isn't a great war without Shivans.

I'm also quite sure this will never be finished, since most people on this board have real life commitments and are already engaged with campaigns or mods like Machina Terra or T-V War Project. Not to mention a lot of people have probably thought about this along with their "complex campaign with branching missions and variables and stuff" ideas.

Just my take. Good luck though. You're really gonna need it.

Let's see...

Huge battles? check!
revamped weapons? check!
branching? check!
better capship battles? check!
good plot? check!...I think.. :nervous:

No, no one has come up with nothing similar. :D

VC - if you got nothing better to do, join a project! There's lots to chose from... *hypnotic voice* JOIN MINE!
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 29, 2007, 05:51:53 am
*hurk*

Sound idea, but it just isn't a great war without Shivans.

I'm also quite sure this will never be finished,


Hope you like being proven wrong.  :lol:

Let me guess - Ancients (from Inferno) will be new enemy??

Actually no! I'm creating and designing an entire new race. Not Vasudan, Not Terran, Not Ancient, and not Shivan. And no, it won't be using Nightmare ships. I'll be creating a new skin, new ships, and you can all laugh at me , say im a noob, and say i wont pull it off, but i'll laugh last when i do.  :lol:

Oh and Trashman, didn't know you had a project going, but sorry bud, i know mine has a plot and ship designs that i just don't wanna budge on  ;)
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Snail on July 29, 2007, 07:11:07 am
Here's a tip:

DON'T make all these ships new and original. Use some of TrashMan's ships, ships from Inferno, etc. It'll save a ****load of time, and it will still be fun. Honest.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 29, 2007, 07:26:12 am
Here's a tip:

DON'T make all these ships new and original. Use some of TrashMan's ships, ships from Inferno, etc. It'll save a ****load of time, and it will still be fun. Honest.

i will be taking a few shortcuts, but i dont want to be totally lazy. I want to have some ships and guns that are mine and people can say 'woah that looks awesome!' , and it will be.  ;)

Weapons in the campaign will be such like,

the GTM Hasta , a dumbfire torpedo (low damage, high speed, anti-corvette)
the GTM Vitus, a high-emp missile that shuts down all subsystems on a fighter or bomber for 10 seconds

and the dreaded GTW Exetor , the beam cannon which will be mounted on the pilotable gunships. (Equivalent of the one on the Aeolus)

Thats only to name a few. I'm in the process of the designing phase, plotting out the look and design of the ships and weapons.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Snail on July 29, 2007, 07:29:53 am
Screenshots.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 29, 2007, 07:51:17 am
I'm doing it in paint, so it looks horrible.


grrr ....wait for august the 2nd / 3rd.. Then you'll have screenies. *grumbles about his stupid ISP*
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Snail on July 29, 2007, 07:59:50 am
Screenshots.

Any screenshots. Anything.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 29, 2007, 08:10:36 am
Fine.

This is a theory of the new terran stealth bomber, the GTB Gryphon, except it will have the pegasus skin

(http://scifipedia.scifi.com/images/c/c0/F302.jpg)

1st pic : - the alien fighter 'Chimera' will be based on this

2nd pic : - the alien corvette, designated Tarun

3rd pic : - the new Terran imperator-class dreadnaught


***NOTE*** these pics are not mine. The reason i cant start modding is because i was in the process of downloading Wings3D when I reached my download limit, so i need to wait till August 1st. I'm sure some of you can relate to such a predicament, so please be forgiving and not so harsh in the critcism due to my lack of progress. I'm taking this time to plot out mission designs
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: shiv on July 29, 2007, 08:13:35 am
I'd liek to assist. I'm experianced FREDer and moder.

You can check this: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,48480.0.html ;)
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Snail on July 29, 2007, 08:14:59 am
I'd also liek to assist but i cna't. :P

Sorry, VC, I'd like to help out as much as I can but I won't be a full-scale member.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 29, 2007, 08:36:33 am
I'd also liek to assist but i cna't. :P

Sorry, VC, I'd like to help out as much as I can but I won't be a full-scale member.

Thats totally understandable. You've taken on MT, i dont want you to take on more then you can handle. Finish MT, then you can help me work on 3GW. ;)

BUT i'm still looking for mission designers. If you're interested in helping me work on storyline and plotline for missions, PM me.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Snail on July 29, 2007, 09:00:18 am
MT won't be finished for the conceivable future. I'm also working on A3 and INFASA. But that's not as many as like GE or anything. :3

I can do mission scripts and FRED reasonably well.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 29, 2007, 09:07:00 am
Any help you could give would be appreciated. PM me your msn and i'll send you over some ideas and the whole plotline so you can tell me what u think
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 29, 2007, 10:31:17 am
The Campaign has been renamed 'Destruction'. More fitting for the plotline.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: karajorma on July 29, 2007, 11:33:52 am
Damn and I was about to make a joke about having 30 Colossi and 50 Sathani to beat 2nd Great War, since you obviously have to have more of everything in a sequel. :p
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: jr2 on July 29, 2007, 12:08:36 pm
VC, where are you located?  (you can PM me or just post you'd like to keep that private or whatever)  The reason I'm asking is I want to search for a better ISP for you...  I pay $45 US a month for mine, unlimited cable internet.  Tied in with $25 / month Vonage, you could actually save money in some circumstances.  (And you can keep your phone number in Vonage, + unlimited local & long distance.)
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Mehrpack on July 29, 2007, 01:28:00 pm
hi,
nice idea and a lot of work, i wish you the best  :yes:.

but one question: you said that the GTVA heavily integrated Shivan technologie, but that the beam weapons faded out.
i think thats antagonism.
because its based on the shivans and the shivans had far more advance beams as the GTVA.

Mehrpack
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Snail on July 29, 2007, 01:31:17 pm
I am now on the team (partially).

The GTVA also studied other Shivan technology that was never seen before, and utilized this to make more powerful weapons, such as the Subspace beam.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Mehrpack on July 29, 2007, 05:32:06 pm
hi,
mhh ok, the terrans and vasuander show really good that they can copy and improve shivan tech.

Mehrpack
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 29, 2007, 06:43:18 pm
Damn and I was about to make a joke about having 30 Colossi and 50 Sathani to beat 2nd Great War, since you obviously have to have more of everything in a sequel. :p

This won't be a cliche 'super duper' everything. In fact, everything is not 'bigger' and more. The missiosn will feel a bit more intense, due to the speed and pace of it all, but yea i decided against calling it 3GW since it sounded a little cliche.


And the name 'Destruction' actually has 3 different meanings for this campaign. You'll figure them all out by the end.  ;)

Snail knows what im talking about (shhh dont reveal too much)

Just because they integrated shivan tech, doesn't mean its all about beam cannons. The discovery of Tachyon energy means that they've totally revamped GTVA cap ship warfare. the Terrans and Vasudans have different methods of warfare to give them both an indivdualistic feel, and also gives them an edge in battle when they fight in unison.

As some of you may know, Tachyon Energy is based on the theory that it can fire projectiles faster then the speed of light. Now because the new torpedoes fired from Terran ships are so heavy, they wont fire at the speed of light, but they will fire extremely fast, making them nigh-impossible to shoot down.

Vasudan ships use Tachyon energy to fire what would normally be a slow moving laser projectile at blindingly high speeds. The laser itself normally would not do much damage, but the extreme high speed at which it is fired makes it impact with great force.

All the remaining beam cannons that were left over from the GTVA have been used for the RBC's and Gunships.

Oh, and since Snail blew the whistle on the Subspace Cannon, i'll explain what that is.

Exerpt from Dr Ashen

"After Capella, the GTVA was left with an abundance of questions about how the Sathanas fleet blew up the Capella star, but we were also left with an abundance of data and scientific information. By using the theoretical energy designs, we were able to produce a weapon that utilises subspace energy into an unstable coherent beam. In practice, the beam is fired directly at an enemy warships engines and FORCES it to initiate its subspace drive. However, since the drive is not properly aligned and the ship not ready for the jump, the corridor it enters is unstable, and as a result, the entire ship would implode upon entry. This weapon was to be our answer to any future Juggernaut incursions."

The current team for DESTRUCTION consists of:-

Myself (Plot/Storyline, mission scripting, voice acting, modelling)
{303}Shiv (Modelling, FRED'ing)
Hades (Modelling)
GenericCorvette (Audio, FRED'ing)
Snail (Part-time) (Plot/storyline, mission scripting)

Quite a team if you ask me. All very skilled blokes.  :D

think i may be missing someone, but my memory sucks these days. 
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: GenericCorvette on July 29, 2007, 07:38:40 pm
Hey, I provide audio and can FRED. My modelling skills are limited to swapping textures around.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 29, 2007, 08:06:17 pm
Fixed it up man. Thanks for the audio files.  :yes: ;)
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Hades on July 29, 2007, 08:07:23 pm
Hey Vasudan Commander check PMs.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 29, 2007, 08:11:11 pm
Hey Vasudan Commander check PMs.

check yours.  ;)
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Hades on July 29, 2007, 08:11:48 pm
Done.Also you can use my frigate i made. :D
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 29, 2007, 08:15:32 pm
Havent thought about frigates. New class of ships so fare are Gunships (Gs), Dreadnaughts (Dn), and 3 others that i'm not about to reveal here.  ;)
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: CKid on July 29, 2007, 08:45:43 pm
Ok, you have a new alien race which you will face and I am assume that the new race is evenly matched to the future GTVA. My question is how did the new race survive against the shivans? The shivans attacked races that expanded their territory and as the ancients said "The destroyers took note." If this new alien race is so powerful to take on the GTVA, how did the shivans not know about the race before and destroyed them. I doubt the race where able to stop the shivans because lets face it, the shivans are very powerful and have a huge amount of numubers on their side. GTVA just got very, very lucky. In FS1, the shivans only stop moving forwards after the lucifer was destroyed which was just luck that the vasudans found the answers on Altair. In FS2 if the shivans wanted to destroyed the GTVA it was well within their power but didn't for reasons unknown. How did the new race evade shivans?
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 29, 2007, 09:00:26 pm
Ok, you have a new alien race which you will face and I am assume that the new race is evenly matched to the future GTVA. My question is how did the new race survive against the shivans? The shivans attacked races that expanded their territory and as the ancients said "The destroyers took note." If this new alien race is so powerful to take on the GTVA, how did the shivans not know about the race before and destroyed them. I doubt the race where able to stop the shivans because lets face it, the shivans are very powerful and have a huge amount of numubers on their side. GTVA just got very, very lucky. In FS1, the shivans only stop moving forwards after the lucifer was destroyed which was just luck that the vasudans found the answers on Altair. In FS2 if the shivans wanted to destroyed the GTVA it was well within their power but didn't for reasons unknown. How did the new race evade shivans?

All will be revealed in time. As we make progress, we will reveal small snippets of the campaign. I dont want to give away a great deal because then if you get all the spoilers, you know whats going to be in the campaign.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Snail on July 30, 2007, 05:28:19 am
Oh, and since Snail blew the whistle on the Subspace Cannon, i'll explain what that is.

Dude, I didn't tell everyone about the subspace weapon, I read it before I even talked to you... :confused:

My question is how did the new race survive against the shivans?

Oh, you have no idea. ;)
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Harbinger of DOOM on July 30, 2007, 08:32:09 am
ALTERNATE REALITY!!
*gasp*
 :eek: :eek2: :shaking:
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Snail on July 30, 2007, 08:33:19 am
:wtf:

Eh??
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Hades on July 30, 2007, 08:34:02 am
Maybe he ate some ones post?
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Snail on July 30, 2007, 08:43:14 am
ALTERNATE REALITY!!
*gasp*
 :eek: :eek2: :shaking:

Do you mean the Shivans or the fact that the subspace cannon was leaked?
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Harbinger of DOOM on July 30, 2007, 12:35:17 pm
My question is how did the new race survive against the shivans?
ALTERNATE REALITY!!
*gasp*
 :eek: :eek2: :shaking:

I was voicing my theory on how this new race survived against the Shivans.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 30, 2007, 12:36:45 pm
I'll say this ; Everything in the campaign is meant to tie in directly with what I believe would happen 42 years after Capella. I'm set on making this campaign original.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Hades on July 30, 2007, 12:40:05 pm
VC Check PMS.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 30, 2007, 12:43:16 pm
Will you stop tellin me to check my PM's?  :blah: i check em frequently enough.  :wtf:
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Hades on July 30, 2007, 12:45:10 pm
Just don't Eat my head.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 30, 2007, 12:50:39 pm
Just don't Eat my head.

LOL i won't eat your head, but if you don't get msn i will !  :hopping: lol
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Hades on July 30, 2007, 12:53:20 pm
I have to sign up and it will not work.Why can;t i just freaking use LeafChat?
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Harbinger of DOOM on July 30, 2007, 12:54:35 pm
Xfire FTW.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 30, 2007, 01:17:54 pm
Keep it in PM's Hades. I'm trying to make my campaign seem at least a LITTLE organised here.  :ick:


Will someone tell him that you dont have to pay to use MSN ? He doesnt believe me.  :blah:
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Hades on July 30, 2007, 01:20:09 pm
I can't sign in.I tryed. :blah:
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: BlueFlames on July 30, 2007, 01:54:55 pm
Quote
ALTERNATE REALITY!!

Third Space.  (Think Babylon 5, if that one's too obscure.)
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Snail on July 30, 2007, 02:10:42 pm
I have to sign up and it will not work.Why can;t i just freaking use LeafChat?

It's more convenient if you sign up for MSN since I only use MSN too.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Hades on July 30, 2007, 02:16:17 pm
I tryed to sign in and it said invalid sign in.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: jr2 on July 30, 2007, 02:54:01 pm
FF + No Script?

Anyways, why doesn't everybody use the HLP IRC room?  It's what it's there for!  (link on top of page with FS Wiki etc)
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Snail on July 30, 2007, 04:40:13 pm
I tryed to sign in and it said invalid sign in.

What have you done so far?
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 30, 2007, 05:33:23 pm
Okay, lets try keep on topic here please?
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Snail on July 30, 2007, 05:39:38 pm
Hey, VC, I don't have a lot of time, can you get on MSN?
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 30, 2007, 06:31:55 pm
NOTE: -

We've got an opening for anyone who knows about designing websites. If you're interested, PM me.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Hades on July 30, 2007, 06:34:41 pm
Check PM VC.I already forgot what i said so can you quote it? ;)
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: NGTM-1R on July 30, 2007, 07:21:02 pm
The name. It has been used.

And you don't want to associate with that campaign, likely.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 30, 2007, 07:46:16 pm
The name. It has been used.

And you don't want to associate with that campaign, likely.

What name, Destruction?

Well if you mean by not associating with them, that they're a rubbish no-hoper campaign, then i guess i'll take copyright for the name. We're already making progress, i've already made an avatar/badge, so, I say this,


ALL YOUR DESTRUCTION ARE BELONG TO US!
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Hades on July 30, 2007, 07:51:27 pm
Seconded.If there dead we have the rights to there name because they no longer operate with the campaign. :p
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: StarSlayer on July 30, 2007, 09:21:51 pm
Just out of curiosity, if capital ships are armed with hyper powered beam cannons with zero charge time, as well as super fast torps with massive shock waves what role are fighters supposed to fill?  Doesn't sound like a particularly strikecraft friendly environment, nor does it sound like they would be useful.  I would assume strikecraft would need to be massively upgraded in order to be competitive.  Bad Ass capital ship combat is nice, but if you cant contribute then it will lose some of its edge.

EDIT>> I think we ran into a AI issue in BTRL when you increase the speed to much.  If i recall correctly if you start seting speeds upwards of 300ish the AI gets dumb and can't compete.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 30, 2007, 09:41:55 pm
The beam cannons wont be super powerful. here's how its going to work.

Terran Capital ships wont have beam cannons. They will have Torpedo launchers that fire missiles slightly less powerful then Cyclops torpedoes at enemy ships, but firing them quite fast.

Vasudan ships fire 'Tachyon Lasers', like a burst beam cannon that does quite high damage.

The new fighters will come in 6 classes : -

Space Superiority (We're calling them "Expedition Fighters")
Interceptor
Heavy Assault (We're calling them "Attack Fighters")
Strike bomber
Heavy bomber
Gunship (The Ursas bigger, meaner brother with a prison record)

There will also be Vasudan variants for all, except gunship.

There will be no cruisers. (In the storyline, gunships have replaced cruisers in firepower, so they are more maneuverable ,more powerful in their wings of 3 and when destroyed, the loss of life and equipment is not so great.)

Corvettes, Destroyers and Dreadnaughts (Think 'big destroyer', but not as big as Colossus). There will definately be a place and purpose for all types of fighters in various missions, including capture, escort, rescue, search and destroy, and fleet assaults.

The main highlight will be the weaponry though (To suit the campaign name, Destruction). Especially the Subspace Cannon.

Also, regarding the top speed, the highest speed will be interceptors reaching a maximum of 200 , thats with afterburners. To balance out the extreme high tech of GTVA ships, the enemy will have a few tricks of their own.

Expect to be surprised, and go 'WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT ?!" , when it happens.  ;)
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Hades on July 30, 2007, 09:55:50 pm
Beautiful. :D

EDIT:Do you have a UVmapper?I cannot UV map.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 30, 2007, 10:23:37 pm
Beautiful. :D

EDIT:Do you have a UVmapper?I cannot UV map.

Yea we got that taken care of.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Hades on July 30, 2007, 10:25:21 pm
Cool. :nod:
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Snail on July 31, 2007, 05:46:36 am
We should have cruisers, VC. But cruisers aren't fast and offensive like the Fenris, more like hulking Leviathans totting quad missile weapons. These new generation of cruisers are designed for fire support purposes and will have very slow top speeds and bad maneuverability. Their only job is to aid destroyers, gunships, etc. with additional firepower.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: lefkos on July 31, 2007, 08:03:35 am
PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THING BEFORE REPLYING

Prologue
42 years have passed since the 2nd great war.

GTVA reunited with Sol after 12 years using the GTVA Aperio gates, and though there was a small rebellion
at the beginning because Sol had hostility towards Vasudans and thought GTVA had abandoned them, it was quickly subdued and peace returned.

the next 30 years were spent expanding, fortifying systems, and developing new military and technologies. Shivan technology was integrated heavily into GTVA weapons and ships, due to its superiority. After 30 years, the beam cannon
technology was phased out in warships, due to the lengthy charge required which was a key factor in the loss of many ships, and the new tachyon technology was developed. Torpedoes and bombs could be fired from capital ships at very high speeds, making them nigh-impossible to be shot down. The shockwaves also meant that fighters and  bombers being launched from the enemy ships would be pulverised. The varying weaponry include the High Explosive batteries, Shockwave batteries, and anti-subsystem batteries.

Scientific breakthroughs from science ships monitoring the Sathani destruction of the Capella allowed breakthroughs in weapon technology the GTVA thought never possible. New 'subspace cannons' were developed. In effect, this allowed a warship, given that it had a capable-enough reactor, to fire a powerful beam at a warships engines, which forced it into subspace. The sudden shock of travelling into subspace meant that the enemy ship would be forced into an unstable jump corridor and would implode the instant it disappeared into the corridor.

The plans to create more Colossi was scrapped, the Orion was retired, and the new Dreadnaught class ships were developed, much larger then destroyers, but not as large as the Colossus. This meant they did not take so long to produce, only 2 years or so, and given the amount of shipyards throughout GTVA space. in 20 years, every single battlegroup had at least 1 Dreadnaught in it.

New fighters and bombers were developed, based on streamline, low-profile targets, and with new breakthroughs in reactor and energy capabilities, it was capable to make them fly at higher speeds and more powerful weaponry.
the new gunship class meant that cruisers were no longer nessecary in the fleets, and  they were retired to policing planets. Corvettes, destroyers, and Dreadnaughts were the backbone of the new, powerful GTVA fleets, backed up by new high-speed fighters, strike bombers, and gunships.

The shivans would never threaten GTVA space again. And it didn't.

The new threat would not come from rebellion or insurgency, and it would not come from Shivans.


***FEATURES***

*An entire overhaul of ships and weaponry*
*A new race*
*voice-acting*
*Players will be able to mount beam cannons*
*Capital ship battle will have a more galleon-eque style of battle*
*Not more cliche shivans*
*A plot that will blow you away*


This will be a very-long, unprecedented endeavour which i am already making the effort to undertake. If anyone is interested in assisting me (not doing all the work, but working co-operatively alongside me) in this, or wants to know more about the storyline, PM me. I'm aiming to have about 30 missions, give or take.

***EDIT*** Campaign is now titled 'Destruction'.

Also, criticism is welcome, but don't be too harsh please.


SNAP SNAP SNAP
IM ALSO BUSY WITH A 3RD GREAT WAR WITH DREADNOUGHTS AND FIGHTER BEAMS ETC
only mine got shivans
well its time to scrap this 3rd plan i quess  :(
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Snail on July 31, 2007, 08:20:36 am
Inferno's another 3rd Great War campaign with fighterbeams and dreadnaughts. Do we care? HECK NO!! :P

In other words, Lefkos, continue with yours. There's no point scrapping it! :D
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: lefkos on July 31, 2007, 09:07:08 am
Inferno's another 3rd Great War campaign with fighterbeams and dreadnaughts. Do we care? HECK NO!! :P

In other words, Lefkos, continue with yours. There's no point scrapping it! :D
allright  :D btw were can i find that inferno engine that supports more ships because i runned out of ship space...
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Raven2001 on July 31, 2007, 12:43:29 pm
The beam cannons wont be super powerful. here's how its going to work.

Terran Capital ships wont have beam cannons. They will have Torpedo launchers that fire missiles slightly less powerful then Cyclops torpedoes at enemy ships, but firing them quite fast.

Vasudan ships fire 'Tachyon Lasers', like a burst beam cannon that does quite high damage.

The new fighters will come in 6 classes : -

Space Superiority (We're calling them "Expedition Fighters")
Interceptor
Heavy Assault (We're calling them "Attack Fighters")
Strike bomber
Heavy bomber
Gunship (The Ursas bigger, meaner brother with a prison record)

There will also be Vasudan variants for all, except gunship.

There will be no cruisers. (In the storyline, gunships have replaced cruisers in firepower, so they are more maneuverable ,more powerful in their wings of 3 and when destroyed, the loss of life and equipment is not so great.)

Corvettes, Destroyers and Dreadnaughts (Think 'big destroyer', but not as big as Colossus). There will definately be a place and purpose for all types of fighters in various missions, including capture, escort, rescue, search and destroy, and fleet assaults.

The main highlight will be the weaponry though (To suit the campaign name, Destruction). Especially the Subspace Cannon.

Also, regarding the top speed, the highest speed will be interceptors reaching a maximum of 200 , thats with afterburners. To balance out the extreme high tech of GTVA ships, the enemy will have a few tricks of their own.

Expect to be surprised, and go 'WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT ?!" , when it happens.  ;)


Funny, a project I have in early design stages seems similar to yours, new species, also gunships (although these replace both cruisers and heavy bombers)

Although I wont talk about it till BWO is released :P
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on July 31, 2007, 01:51:37 pm
Funny, a project I have in early design stages seems similar to yours, new species, also gunships (although these replace both cruisers and heavy bombers)

Although I wont talk about it till BWO is released :P

Well there's no way i could've known about that, since BWO boys are tight-lipped on the work they have done, let alone what they haven't.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Raven2001 on July 31, 2007, 06:20:00 pm
Well there's no way i could've known about that, since BWO boys are tight-lipped on the work they have done, let alone what they haven't.

I never accused you of anything, dont worry. :)

And what I was talking about is in no way related to BWO too :P
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on August 01, 2007, 01:39:22 am
Well there's no way i could've known about that, since BWO boys are tight-lipped on the work they have done, let alone what they haven't.

I never accused you of anything, dont worry. :)

And what I was talking about is in no way related to BWO too :P

cool.  ;)
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Col. Fishguts on August 01, 2007, 04:19:58 am
This thread reminds me .... 21st August 2007 (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,45073.msg920546.html#msg920546)

Good luck anyway.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Snail on August 01, 2007, 08:38:07 am
We won't be setting release dates for this since it'll probably take ages. :blah:
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Flipside on August 01, 2007, 08:54:35 pm
Probably a good idea. My own advice, from experience, is release a couple of small, well written campaigns with good Fredding, good storyline and maybe one or two Mods first. Get some achievements under your belt before taking on the big challenge. I say 'From Experience' because I promise you this, a big campaign drags you down, there's only a finite amount of 'enthusiasm' per person.

That's why Twisted Infinities is going slowly at the moment. It hasn't stopped, nor will it, but Real Life will always end up getting in the way one way or another. Better to start small first and work up to it.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: GenericCorvette on August 01, 2007, 09:09:53 pm
That's why my backup plan is to instead work on a small project I've already started.

And that's why I pray this campaign turns into one that takes place, at most, ten years after the Capella supernova.

Edit: Damnit, I hate fiddling with my post.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: BlueFlames on August 01, 2007, 09:31:06 pm
Not to be too bitter or cynical, but maybe it's a better idea to work on the small project, rather than delaying that by sinking time into the next Bla-- *ahem* --overhyped, underdelivered uber project.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Flipside on August 01, 2007, 10:19:28 pm
No-ones forcing you to wait for it or download it :p

But yes, that's the essence of it, big campaigns are a vacuum, and it will suck time, resources and imagination from everyone who is part of it. People will leave, new people will join, the campaign becomes a living thing, constantly changing and growing until even the person who created it isn't sure what's going to happen in the final version. At least one problem you won't have to deal with is HTL conversions, which caught a few campaigns on the hop, since most of their ships were pre-HTL.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: BlueFlames on August 01, 2007, 10:26:59 pm
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No-ones forcing you to wait for it or download it.

Who's waiting?  I put my hours into FRED, rather than into swallowing the hype that these uber projects crap out.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on August 01, 2007, 10:27:27 pm
Hey all. Sorry i've been out of the loop for so long, had some IRL issues.

To those concerned about the daunting size of this campaign, yes, it is large, which is why we're deciding to cut a few corners and chop it up piece meal. We're working on doing the mission scripting and modelling first, then progress onto the other sections of the campaign designing.

We're also recruiting good new talent.

We're making progress, so don't worry. It won't crash and burn.  ;)
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Snail on August 02, 2007, 11:00:30 am
We're making progress, so don't worry. It won't crash and burn.  ;)

Which is coming from the project leader, who has the most ambition. Right now I'm weary about the project, only little has been made, and the hardest part of it (FREDding) has yet to begin. Right no I'm a tiny bit afraid that this may die before it even gets started, but if progress picks up when the needed models are completed, then there's a good chance this could get out as an excellent and polished project.
Title: Re: 3rd Great War
Post by: Vasudan Commander on August 02, 2007, 05:26:06 pm
I'm breaking it down in sections. Relax man. Once we've got the models down, we can get onto the FRED'ing.

Be positive, not negative.  ;)


***EDIT*** All discussion in this forum is being re-directed here : -

http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,48637.0.html

Thank you, and have a nice day.   :cool: