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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Jake2447 on August 15, 2007, 10:45:00 am
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What was the name of the Admiral on the Galatea (Destroyer in FS1)?
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that one who "died with the ship he loved ?"
the name is mentioned in the mission where the galatea blows up but I dont have a savegame for that at the moment
how did that trick with the mission simulator work ?
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Wolf.
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Admiral Wolf IIRC.
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Thanks. In case you were wondering, I am going to name a ship after him (like the U.S. does).
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I thought they did Presidents?
Anyhoo, Admiral Wolf was the dude, almost as tough as colonol Halcyon..... :)
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They do both (USS Kennedy, USS Nimitz), although most are presidents.
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Never understood why he had to stay on the ship, he had plenty of time to evacuate.
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Never understood why he had to stay on the ship, he had plenty of time to evacuate.
He may have had a broken leg or been injured or something like that.
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A capt'n goes down wit da ship! ;7
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Cause only 100 people could evacuate on 5 escape pods?
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Thanks. In case you were wondering, I am going to name a ship after him (like the U.S. does).
Are you aware of the fact that the GTA(and the Terrans of the GTVA)represents the whole human population(habits included)? Terran ships are usually named after ancient cities, regions, mythological entities. In the future, expecially in the GTVA(since all contacts with Sol are severed), the need of giving most ships names that are a clear reference to Earth will be strong.
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Are you aware of the fact that the GTA(and the Terrans of the GTVA)represents the whole human population(habits included)? Terran ships are usually named after ancient cities, regions, mythological entities. In the future, expecially in the GTVA(since all contacts with Sol are severed), the need of giving most ships names that are a clear reference to Earth will be strong.
In his defense it makes complete sense to name a ship after a highly decorated officer. I can see the GTD Petrarch running around somewhere in the future.
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In his defense it makes complete sense to name a ship after a highly decorated officer. I can see the GTD Petrarch running around somewhere in the future.
No matter of what Admiral Petrarch did, all humans cut off from Sol will continue to remember their ancestors. Ships named after Reconstruction and Capella era officers will be rare.
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Petrarch was really just another admiral. Many others were probably greater, with greater accomplishments than him. The only reason you think of him is because you were stationed on his ship.
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Yes like the Admiral of the Colossus. :P
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He was a retard.
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Idiot.Just becasue he sacrificed his and alot of other lives to save the GTVA you call him a retard.Idiot.
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Thanks. In case you were wondering, I am going to name a ship after him (like the U.S. does).
Are you aware of the fact that the GTA(and the Terrans of the GTVA)represents the whole human population(habits included)? Terran ships are usually named after ancient cities, regions, mythological entities. In the future, expecially in the GTVA(since all contacts with Sol are severed), the need of giving most ships names that are a clear reference to Earth will be strong.
Actually, the GTD Wolf will be featured in a campaign in which Sol has been reunited with the GTVA. Also in this campaign, because of another rebellion the GTVA has taken a propaganda mindset, and reminding its people of recent war heroes is an important feature in their propaganda effort.
As a matter of fact, I was considering the GTD Petrarch, but I would agree that he would not be as much of a hero as someone who gave their life.
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Yes like the Admiral of the Colossus. :P
IIRC he was either captain or commander.
And cole, seeing as how he was made the CO of the largest terran vasuden craft ever, it's safe to say that he was a lot smarter than you. If you deny it, go and take up a carrier command.
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I don't think they'd put admirals in charge of destroyers and captins in charge of colossi
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Idiot.Just becasue he sacrificed his and alot of other lives to save the GTVA you call him a retard.Idiot.
If we ignore the fact that the Colossus was somehow disabled (and the unusually strong Improbability Field) then there was no reason that the pilots, officers, and crew of the Colossus should have been killed. I find it unlikely that the Sathanas #72 would have followed the Colossus to destroy it. Even if it had somehow charged its jump drives in time, I think it would have returned to its important assignment at the star, not chased after a damaged ship that posed no threat to it, especially so close to the completion of their Master Plan. Their sacrifice was for nothing. The Sathanas merely took advantage of its massive firepower to stop this annoying warship that was gunning down destroyers. Had the Colossus left, it would have meant nothing. The Sathanas would continue to threaten nothing. The Bastion was not served in any way by sacrificing the Colossus. I question the tactical genius involved in the decision to cause a diversion. How many ships were diverted? One destroyer? The Colossus would have been infinitely more useful directly escorting the Bastion.
Of course, had the Colossus survived this, it would undoubtably have perished in the ensuing supernova, but that's beside the point.
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I don't think they'd put admirals in charge of destroyers and captins in charge of colossi
They have it in I think the mission that the collie's fire control is sabotaged and the icene escapes. I'll go look for it later. Maybe tomorrow.
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This has gotten really off topic since i first started it. It does seem unlikely that the Colossus created much of a diversion, however the destroyers it eliminated could have been tasked with stopping the Bastion. Would it not seem odd that, since the Shivans were bent on conquering GTVA space (at least in FS1) that they wouldn't send any ships to prevent the destruction of the Capella-EP jump node?
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Actually, the GTD Wolf will be featured in a campaign in which Sol has been reunited with the GTVA. Also in this campaign, because of another rebellion the GTVA has taken a propaganda mindset, and reminding its people of recent war heroes is an important feature in their propaganda effort.
Which is not-canon. And the name convention isn't "canonic".
And cole, seeing as how he was made the CO of the largest terran vasuden craft ever, it's safe to say that he was a lot smarter than you. If you deny it, go and take up a carrier command.
I agree. He must have been much better than Petrarch. I guess his surname is Alighieri. ;7
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The Colossus would have been infinitely more useful directly escorting the Bastion.
No, I don't think so. I think having the Collie there would simply have attracted more attention to the Bastion... maybe Sathanas 17 would have shown up there instead and killed both Colossus and Bastion...
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Of course. If you want a succesful diversion, sortie something that is much bigger than what you're actually trying to "hide".
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How can it be off topic, you asked what the name of the Galatae's commanding officer was, now you know :)
This is a divergent topic now :D
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Yes like the Admiral of the Colossus. :P
IIRC he was either captain or commander.
And cole, seeing as how he was made the CO of the largest terran vasuden craft ever, it's safe to say that he was a lot smarter than you. If you deny it, go and take up a carrier command.
Ok. He was a retard with high IQTM 2007 Snail Inc.
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Of course. If you want a succesful diversion, sortie something that is much bigger than what you're actually trying to "hide".
Nice hiding :lol:...the shivans sent "Every damn bomber in the shivan armada" at it....spreading your forces in this case affected NOTHING. Having concetrated firepower at one point would have made the Bastion escort far simpler.
If you have a whole firggin fleet around the bastion, no shivan bomber would have made it trough that much anti-fighter wepons. And ido agree that the Colossus sacrifice was pointless. 10 friggin seconds is what they "bought" them at beast.
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Of course. If you want a succesful diversion, sortie something that is much bigger than what you're actually trying to "hide".
Nice hiding :lol:...the shivans sent "Every damn bomber in the shivan armada" at it....spreading your forces in this case affected NOTHING. Having concetrated firepower at one point would have made the Bastion escort far simpler.
I'd rather have lots of bombers attacking the Bastion than a Ravana (SD Beast) or Sathanas 17. The Sathanas might not have chased the Colossus immediately, but it would have followed it when its jump drives were recharged.
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Assuming the Collosuss was there to lure it in the first place...
If the Colossus was with the bastion from the begining, who knows what would have happened? Or what if it jumped to the EP node?
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Of course. If you want a succesful diversion, sortie something that is much bigger than what you're actually trying to "hide".
Nice hiding :lol:...the shivans sent "Every damn bomber in the shivan armada" at it....spreading your forces in this case affected NOTHING. Having concetrated firepower at one point would have made the Bastion escort far simpler.
I'd rather have lots of bombers attacking the Bastion than a Ravana (SD Beast) or Sathanas 17. The Sathanas might not have chased the Colossus immediately, but it would have followed it when its jump drives were recharged.
If you had read my post, there's no way a Sathanas would waste time pursuing the Colossus, which was moderately damaged, when they were so close to the completion of their Master Plan. They just wanted to stop the annoying ship that was taking down destroyers. IIUC, the Colossus was destroyed because it and the fighters in the area were stopping cruisers from coming through from Gamma Draconis. If the Colossus had been with the Bastion, its turrets could have fought off bombers. The corvette and cruisers would have been enough to defeat the three Shivan cruisers coming in from Gamma Draconis. All the Colossus did was blow up a Ravana, which was sent to resolve the situation at the Gamma Draconis node. If the Colossus had been with the Bastion, there would have been no need to send in the Sathanas to destroy it. The Ravana was sent in response to the destruction of the transports and cruisers. The Sathanas was sent in response to the destruction of the Ravana.
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Thank you! Solved.
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IMO the Colossus diversion helped draw some heat away from the bastion. I think the only problem with the mission is that it was scripted and executed poorly. V should of had the Colossus subspace drive damaged and had it ram the Sathanas or something else.
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Make an alterate version, :) just rip it from the vp and save it as SMXXXb.fs2
:)
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Of course. If you want a succesful diversion, sortie something that is much bigger than what you're actually trying to "hide".
Nice hiding :lol:...the shivans sent "Every damn bomber in the shivan armada" at it....spreading your forces in this case affected NOTHING. Having concetrated firepower at one point would have made the Bastion escort far simpler.
I'd rather have lots of bombers attacking the Bastion than a Ravana (SD Beast) or Sathanas 17. The Sathanas might not have chased the Colossus immediately, but it would have followed it when its jump drives were recharged.
If you had read my post, there's no way a Sathanas would waste time pursuing the Colossus, which was moderately damaged, when they were so close to the completion of their Master Plan. They just wanted to stop the annoying ship that was taking down destroyers. IIUC, the Colossus was destroyed because it and the fighters in the area were stopping cruisers from coming through from Gamma Draconis. If the Colossus had been with the Bastion, its turrets could have fought off bombers. The corvette and cruisers would have been enough to defeat the three Shivan cruisers coming in from Gamma Draconis. All the Colossus did was blow up a Ravana, which was sent to resolve the situation at the Gamma Draconis node. If the Colossus had been with the Bastion, there would have been no need to send in the Sathanas to destroy it. The Ravana was sent in response to the destruction of the transports and cruisers. The Sathanas was sent in response to the destruction of the Ravana.
All this avoids the very big point that the Colossus didn't actually destroy any cruisers, if they'd been trying to save their cruisers, they would have sent the Ravana after the Cruisers at the node, not the Juggernaut several klicks away.
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All this avoids the very big point that the Colossus didn't actually destroy any cruisers, if they'd been trying to save their cruisers, they would have sent the Ravana after the Cruisers at the node, not the Juggernaut several klicks away.
The Ravana didn't know the Colossus was there. They jumped in several kilometers away by accident, and were pwned by the supercap. When the Shivans lost contact with the Ravana, they knew something was up and sent in the Sathanas to take care of whatever it was and stop it bothering their cruisers.
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Well why did the Colossus have to be there any way?Whos to say Command(TM) wasn't to blame?(Don't get mad, that is not a command joke..)
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Well why did the Colossus have to be there any way?Whos to say Command(TM) wasn't to blame?(Don't get mad, that is not a command joke..)
It was Command's fault. But it was the Colossus that failed to jump out.
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They jumped in several kilometers away by accident, and were pwned by the supercap. When the Shivans lost contact with the Ravana, they knew something was up and sent in the Sathanas to take care of whatever it was and stop it bothering their cruisers.
You can't be sure. What do we know about the number of Shivan destroyers in Capella? The Nebiros wasn't alone.
And the Beast was too far from the node. It couldn't be coming from Gamma Draconis. The Psamtik had problems because there was a Sathanas arriving. The Sathanas that destroyed the Colossus was Sathanas 17, so it was part of the main Juggernaut fleet. Except for the cruisers, all Shivan warships in Their Finest Hour were sortied from Capella.
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They jumped in several kilometers away by accident, and were pwned by the supercap. When the Shivans lost contact with the Ravana, they knew something was up and sent in the Sathanas to take care of whatever it was and stop it bothering their cruisers.
You can't be sure. What do we know about the number of Shivan destroyers in Capella? The Nebiros wasn't alone.
And the Beast was too far from the node. It couldn't be coming from Gamma Draconis. The Psamtik had problems because there was a Sathanas arriving. The Sathanas that destroyed the Colossus was Sathanas 17, so it was part of the main Juggernaut fleet. Except for the cruisers, all Shivan warships in Their Finest Hour were sortied from Capella.
Sorry if I wasn't clear, but that's what I was saying. The Beast was sent in by the Shivans to kill whatever was blowing up cruisers. They jumped away from the fleet to take care of the situation, and arrived too far away. There's no other explanation for why a Ravana would try to attack the Colossus, besides perhaps that Sathanas number 1 was unable to report the Colossus before it was destroyed.
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Shivans don't seem to have a problem with dying..or sending hordes of bombers/fighters on a well defended convoy to die.
By that logic, sending scores of lesser ships after the Colossus doesn't sound out of charachter for them.
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Yes like the Admiral of the Colossus. :P
IIRC he was either captain or commander.
And cole, seeing as how he was made the CO of the largest terran vasuden craft ever, it's safe to say that he was a lot smarter than you. If you deny it, go and take up a carrier command.
Ok. He was a retard with high IQTM 2007 Snail Inc.
You have absolutely no basis for calling him retarded. Where in Freespace 2 does he exhibit himself to have an IQ of less than 70? In fact (not that I would), people would have more of a reason to call you retarded. No offense intended, just trying to prove a point. Sorry if you took it the wrong way.
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Shivans don't seem to have a problem with dying..or sending hordes of bombers/fighters on a well defended convoy to die.
By that logic, sending scores of lesser ships after the Colossus doesn't sound out of charachter for them.
But they didn't, you see. They sent a Ravana and a Sathanas, and the Sathanas only because the Ravana didn't work. The entire supernova sequence was out-of-character for the Shivans.
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A Ravana-class destroyer has emerged from subspace. They're putting the pressure on us now!
What does it tell you?
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If the Colossus had been escorting that Bastion, the Ravana would have jumped in to attack the Colossus. When it was destroyed, by your logic, the Sathanas would have jumped in to put an end to the Colossal annoyance, and would have killed the bastion as well.
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A Ravana-class destroyer has emerged from subspace. They're putting the pressure on us now!
What does it tell you?
The Ravana was not sent to attack the Colossus specifically, it was sent to defend the node. The captain/commander/admiral/comms officer of the Colossus was stating that they were annoying the Shivans enough for them to send a Ravana after them. That or he was mistaken. The provocation was not the appearance of the Colossus; the Shivans would have been too concerned with whatever they were doing to go "Yay, Colossus! This is our big chance to take it down!" The provocation was the destruction of three cruisers, three transports, and several wings of fighters.
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well from what i can remember i took out a lot more then 3 cruisers a hand full of transports and a couple of wing of fighters and bommbers. The point is they just sent in what they believed in thery twisted minds to be a threat to the Collie! The only problem was the collie could of handeleld itself agains several ravana class destroyers. And it is clear to me now that they had no idea. Which by all means tells me that sath no1 did not have a chance to repiort back to the shivans about the Collie.
Also I'm prety sure they were tryng to force the GTVA out of the sisyems and perhaps have a small task force consisting of at least on destroyer in the GTVA controlled space beyond capella!
By the way they were hammering at the escaping fleet from capella they were more then just concentrating on blowing the star up!
I mean when you want to do something like this you just get on with your work you dont go off hunting for convois !
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They lost far more fighters and bombers attacking the Bastion than in "their finest Hour". I stil lsaw no Ravana or Sathanas pop up to get rid of that annoyance. Granted, no capships were destryed there.
I still don't really think the Collies apperance alone would be enough to send a sath. I mean they had 80 if em? Collie isn't a big threat at all...
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They were about to make Capella go Supernova, who cares about the Colossus?
It wasn't a normal environment. The Juggernauts were busy.
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and that is why we are saing they must of had some other reason for sending that sath and the collie telling it has to stay!
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I still don't really think the Collies apperance alone would be enough to send a sath. I mean they had 80 if em? Collie isn't a big threat at all...
:wtf: The collie took out a Ravana when it had 60% hull integrity. But you're right. No threat at all. I mean, an unarmed civilian freighter could do more damage! :rolleyes:
Oh, and actually it's possible the Shivans might have lost more fighters/bombers in Finest Hour. They lost an entire Ravana and all her compliment. Even the ones that were not aboard don't have a base anymore, and all the other shivan ships are probably operating at full capacity without room enough for them. By the time they did know where to go, they'd be destroyed.
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And the amount of fighters matters?
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With the shivan fighter losses I figure there would be many vacancies on theri destroyer :lol:
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And the amount of fighters matters?
I was responding to what trashman said. I didn't really read a lot of the thread.
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Hmn. I wonder why the Shivans were commiting forces to a system they were bent on super-nova-ing ?
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Simple, they needed some fast assistance units. They also wanted to destroy some assets. The 3rd Fleet Headquarters falls under the attack of the Nebiros and its wings, the Sathanes have nothing to do with it.
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That's a contradiction.
Nothing the GTVa had could touch the Sathanas fleet.
All GTVA assets were destroyed when Capella went supernova.
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All GTVA assets were destroyed when Capella went supernova.
And the ships outside the Capella?
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What about evacuation procedures?
The Capellans were lucky since the evacuations started when the first Sathanas appeared!
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Never understood why he had to stay on the ship, he had plenty of time to evacuate.
An admiral dies with his ship.
Ever watched Titanic?
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the ships outside of capella could from the shivan point of view be a vew cruisers or a god damn horde of collies...! So that would explain somehow why the shivans bothered to take out the collie. You know an eye for an eye and well just put a dent in the whole imaginary collie horde waiting for them(shivans) !
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That makes no sense.Only one was made.ONE!!!!!
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An admiral dies with his ship.
Ever watched Titanic?
That is not a Titanic-only feature.
the ships outside of capella could from the shivan point of view be a vew cruisers or a god damn horde of collies...! So that would explain somehow why the shivans bothered to take out the collie. You know an eye for an eye and well just put a dent in the whole imaginary collie horde waiting for them(shivans) !
:wtf:
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That makes no sense.Only one was made.ONE!!!!!
Shh...the shivans don't know THAT. :nervous:
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It makes no difference. A Sathanas is superior. The problem is that Alpha 1 ruins the party :P
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use the self-desrtuct SEXP on alpha 1 and all is fixed.
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use the self-desrtuct SEXP on alpha 1 and all is fixed.
There's no "self-desrtuct" SEXP that I know of.
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ship-self-destruct :wtf: I thought there was, *goes to check wiki*
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There's no "ship-self-destruct" or "self-derstuct" SEXP.
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Let's not nit-pick typos. Pretty much all of us make them from time to time and the board goes downhill very quickly if we drag the thread off topic for every single one.
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Meh, another stupid joke that wasn't funny...
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Let's not nit-pick typos. Pretty much all of us make them from time to time and the board goes downhill very quickly if we drag the thread off topic for every single one.
This thread is already off topic.
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I am beginning to hate these "OMGWTFROTFLMAOBBQSALADNAMBLA Alpha 1 PWNS ALL!!!" threads.
On topic, when can we expect more eyecandy?
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I am beginning to hate these "OMGWTFROTFLMAOBBQSALADNAMBLA Alpha 1 PWNS ALL!!!" threads.
Words of wisdom.
On topic, when can we expect more eyecandy?
Eyecandy? Put candies in your eyes. Or go to the OTHER thread. :P
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Oops, wrong thread. Heh heh.
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Uh... keeping the thread back on (off-)topic...
The Colossus was finally destroyed because it was fast becoming a nuisance, and a Ravana was incapable of handling the situation. That's why. To reiterate, with the Master Plan so close to completion, not much else mattered. If the Colossus had been with the Bastion, the Ravana would be going about its business elsewhere. Fighters and bombers only were being sent to attack the Bastion. If the Colossus had been with it, the Shivans wouldn't have cared. IIRC, the Bastion was sent to close off the Epsilon Pegasi node. Essentially, it was retreating. According to the nodemap (which neglects to label Epsilon Pegasi (and shows Procyon A as completely isolated from allied systems at the time of the rebellion - WTF?)) the Bastion would have been heading back to allied space, through the systems previously controlled by the NTF. The Shivans would have considered this another fleeing ship and assigned only the usual to attack it; loads of fighters and bombers.
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Well the shivans were more or less ignorant of the mission goals of those 2 destroyers! Also the fact that the shivans sortied onlyannoing cruisers and corvettes means they were more or less not interested in the fleeing GTVA warships and decided to just "play" with the GTVA sending loads of fighters/bommbers and a few cruisers and corvettes!
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According to the nodemap (which neglects to label Epsilon Pegasi (and shows Procyon A as completely isolated from allied systems at the time of the rebellion - WTF?)) the Bastion would have been heading back to allied space, through the systems previously controlled by the NTF. The Shivans would have considered this another fleeing ship and assigned only the usual to attack it; loads of fighters and bombers.
Very, very good point here. That's a valid explanation, something I didn't take in consideration :)