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Wow. Wow. 800+ dead in the first 60 seconds alone. Not to mention Starbuck's blood-smeared Viper.
Is this going to be one hell of a season or what!
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Blood in space?
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Okay, fine, if that doesn't set your awesome bells a-ringing, then surely Tigh shooting Adama through the eye less than 5 minutes in should do it for you. ;)
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Dammit, I knew I forgot to do something last night...
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Blood in space?
Cylon fighters are Cyborg's.
And yeah, it is going to be an spectacular final season.
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****ing cliffhangers...
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Blood in space?
As mentioned above, Cylon Raiders are partially organic, and their blood doesn't flash-freeze because they're designed to work in extreme cold. And also because it's really frakking cool.
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Does that mean season 3 is out on DVD???
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Been out for a while, yeah.
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Episode was pretty pimp.
Goddamn the to be continueds.
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Great show. Now I have to go back through and watch every single other episode...
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Does that mean season 3 is out on DVD???
last November, IIRC. ;)
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*Rampant speculation*
The last Cylon is Roslyn/Roslin, damnit. Of course, Moore is only going to tell us that in the series finale.
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I like...I really do. Throw in some religion, and throw in some issues of free will. Oh, this will be good. I just hope defying destiny doesn't get anybody killing their father and sleeping with their mother...
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Anyone notice the obvious allusions of Gaius to Jesus? Until he shaved his beard that is.
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Yeah, he definantly looked like Jesus...and then the whole laying down his life for others thing was kind of weird.
Only large hole I found in it was that although Jesus suffered, he never sinned. It's almost like they're combining Adam and Jesus into one figure. Instead of Jesus coming as the "second Adam" later on, he's just the same person "reborn" it would seem.
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Yeah, he definantly looked like Jesus...and then the whole laying down his life for others thing was kind of weird.
Although, I don't really recall Jesus bedding any of his young disciples.
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Well, he was a carpenter.
And tradesman are notorious whores.
I'm betting he sunk a few fenceposts in his time.
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Blood in space?
As mentioned above, Cylon Raiders are partially organic, and their blood doesn't flash-freeze because they're designed to work in extreme cold. And also because it's really frakking cool.
Not really, the hull provided enough insulation to a human to fly it in space.
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The best part was when Tigh shot Adama. Damn, if they had actually stuck to that, instead of wussing out, BSG would officially be the greatest show ever, in the history of man.
My bet is on one of the 4 Cylons (Tigh, Chief, Anders, Tory) offing themselves before all is said and done. Probably Tigh.
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Been out for a while, yeah.
IIRC, April 3 in the US... I just got it today :)
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The best part was when Tigh shot Adama. Damn, if they had actually stuck to that, instead of wussing out, BSG would officially be the greatest show ever, in the history of man.
My bet is on one of the 4 Cylons (Tigh, Chief, Anders, Tory) offing themselves before all is said and done. Probably Tigh.
Considering Tigh's the only one so far to have a vision of doing the unthinkable and after repeatedly saying that they can choose to still be human and do their jobs, I'd say that's a safe bet.
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The best part was when Tigh shot Adama. Damn, if they had actually stuck to that, instead of wussing out, BSG would officially be the greatest show ever, in the history of man.
Yeah man that seriously rattled my cage . . and then it was just a dream. BOOOOO. I thought "hey man, you're not coming back from this one haha".
Considering Tigh's the only one so far to have a vision of doing the unthinkable and after repeatedly saying that they can choose to still be human and do their jobs, I'd say that's a safe bet.
Or maybe he's the only one who'll deal with it? I dunno. Having him kill himself is too predictable I think. Whereas the other one guys seem to be more/less handling it fine . . . if any of them have hidden programming, it'll probably be either chief or the girl who does something rash.
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Blood in space?
http://www.sff.net/people/Geoffrey.Landis/vacuum.html
everything you need to know about explosive decompression. while most liquids vaporize blood tends to turn to jelly when it stays out of the body too long.
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Oh well. You know, never watched BSG. We only get this kind a' shows only on PayTV in Switzerland, and probably even then I would watch season 1 repetitions.
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But then you wouldn't get to see Resurrection Ship or Exodus!
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Meh. We've only had the first two seasons. And I've only seen season 2, since I was in the army when they showed season 1, and the air time happened to be on a weekday. But I think I have a pretty good picture of season 1 based on the dialogue of season 2.
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Oh well. You know, never watched BSG. We only get this kind a' shows only on PayTV in Switzerland, and probably even then I would watch season 1 repetitions.
You are aware that there are mutliple sources besides TV, right? You really should watch it, it's an outstanding show. The only one I follow regularly, aside from maybe Southpark.
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I'm so fed up with South Park's common-sense libertarian horse****; I can't watch it anymore.
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Well, until NPR starts putting 300% more gay jokes into each programming hour, crude topical libertarianism will always have my heart.
And I'm not your buddy, guy!
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I'm not your guy, pal.
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Oh well. You know, never watched BSG. We only get this kind a' shows only on PayTV in Switzerland, and probably even then I would watch season 1 repetitions.
You are aware that there are mutliple (http://"http://www14.alluc.org/alluc/") source (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mininova") besides TV, right? You really should watch it, it's an outstanding show. The only one I follow regularly, aside from maybe Southpark.
Although 99% percent from my games are peeraited, MININOVAZ R BAAD.
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Links removed
(and bittorrent)
:)
I very much doubt that this is a legal site, you know the rules.
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Links removed here as well
(and bittorrent)
Umm, weren't there some forum rules concerning that kind of stuff? Or is this just one o' 'dem loopholes?
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Umm, weren't there some forum rules concerning that kind of stuff? Or is this just one o' 'dem loopholes?
It's Battlestar Galactica. Battlestar ****ing Galactica. That's a loophole unto itself.
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Way to not make any sense.
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Not make sense... like a fox.
Check. Mate.
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You forgot fail.
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Just saw starbuck bite the dust... HOW do they bring her back alive?
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Just saw starbuck bite the dust... HOW do they bring her back alive?
A wizard did it.
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Just saw starbuck bite the dust... HOW do they bring her back alive?
It's not really Starbuck, merely Brother Cavill in clever drag. And yet to the untrained eye, they appear as one and the same.
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:lol:
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Just saw starbuck bite the dust... HOW do they bring her back alive?
Thats the REAL question man. Season 4 only gives us more questions.
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For us Americans, you can go watch BSG online legally, and for free too, at hulu.com
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Just saw starbuck bite the dust... HOW do they bring her back alive?
A wizard did it.
No, Starbuck IS a wizard. After she got resurrected she went and crashed at Galadriel's for a while before she came back to the fleet.
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For us Americans, you can go watch BSG online legally, and for free too, at hulu.com
And some people wonder why anti-Americanism is so rampant these days. :p
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For us Americans, you can go watch BSG online legally, and for free too, at hulu.com
And some people wonder why anti-Americanism is so rampant these days. :p
//Fails to see the relation.
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I believe he's implying that this luxury provokes the vehement envy of the rest of the world. In short, the terrorists hate us for our free Battlestar Galactica.
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Which would mean it's time about time for me to buy a keffiyah, 'cause Hulu is blocked in Canada as well. Bastards. Not that that's likely to stop anyone, present company included, from torrenting it.
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Which would mean it's time about time for me to buy a keffiyah, 'cause Hulu is blocked in Canada as well. Bastards. Not that that's likely to stop anyone, present company included, from torrenting it.
I suspect the CRTC may have something to do with locale restrictions.
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Just saw starbuck bite the dust... HOW do they bring her back alive?
They can rebuild her. They have the technology.
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Don't you think that is a little too obvious?
These people have way more imagination than that :P
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What did you guys think of the new one tonight?
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It starts in 17 minutes for me *can't wait*
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I thought it was good
Quite of few questions were answered and - of course - the plot thickened :D
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It just finished and I already can't wait for next week's ...
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Baltar scores again. Bow chicka wow wow! :D
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Which would mean it's time about time for me to buy a keffiyah, 'cause Hulu is blocked in Canada as well. Bastards. Not that that's likely to stop anyone, present company included, from torrenting it.
Proxy?
All of you know how to get a hold of bsg no one really needs to talk about torrenting, p2p, or usenet (there's too many ways) for it. However talking about this nice website sounds great for free shows. Do they have commercials? On the other hand i like watching the pre-recorded hi-def feeds of bsg i get from the net commercial free. So i probably wont use that site (except for other shows, sounds handy). The only down side to my habit is that i wont watch any of season 4 until it's ended so i can get it all at once (ep. after ep. nonstop is so satisfying).
EDIT:Baltar usually scores. I really don't know how. Perhaps the good looks thing and he knows how to grace and charm women with his brain. Besides that he's really quite the pussy in the series. When he's on the show it makes me feel sorry for his character, and i'm waiting for him to have his day when he breaks free of his pussness. You know where he looks people in the eye confidentally, rights his wrongs, stands on his own too feet, and doesn't let people push him around know matter what he's done (when he mans up). Though i don't really know if this will happen for baltar at all during the series, but the series gives me perhaps this false hope about baltar no longer running scared and being in fear for himself. When will he no longer be afraid to die?
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In short, the terrorists hate us for our free Battlestar Galactica.
You gotta admit, though, it's a far better reason than the usual crappy excuses terrorists come up with as 'justification' for their acts.
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Though i don't really know if this will happen for baltar at all during the series, but the series gives me perhaps this false hope about baltar no longer running scared and being in fear for himself. When will he no longer be afraid to die?
That happened last episode, during 'He That Believeth in Me.'
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For us Americans, you can go watch BSG online legally, and for free too, at hulu.com
And some people wonder why anti-Americanism is so rampant these days. :p
//Fails to see the relation.
/me fails to see why the frak people don't use proxy servers.
Mwuahahahaha.
(www.sidereel.com works too.)
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Wooo, BSG's back with a vengance!
Although wouldn't it have made more sense to let her go before they jumped, so the trail was warmer? And before being insensitive pricks and treating her like scum for a few days? But I guess that wouldn't make for a very good story.
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I'm pretty sure her flipping out repeatedly played some role in changing their minds.
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Actually one of the things that really made me curious was how she apparently knew when the ship jumped, which brings up an important question: can you actually tell you've gone through a jump without looking out a window or with some kind of instruments? We don't really know.
We do know someone was watching her just then. Maybe you can't tell when you've been through a jump, and the fact she could is what changed their minds.
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I think that you can tell. Remember in the miniseries, they always used to do that weird camera fov thing before a jump and Cally also said "I hate this part." when they were about to jump.
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I think that you can tell. Remember in the miniseries, they always used to do that weird camera fov thing before a jump and Cally also said "I hate this part." when they were about to jump.
Not to mention there's a ship-wide announcement every time. That might have played a small part.
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The coup at the end was unexpected, and Cavil's "Oh ****" reaction was awesome.
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Oh, and Racetrack in a sports bra.
Awesome.
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I just re-watched "Mealstrom". And Razor. Just some things I noticed.
When the Hybrid talks (In Razor)... randomly... he says something abuot the "fifth" lying "in shadows" and "seeking redemption". Who needs to be redeemed? Saul's wife?
When watching "Mealstrom", I saw that Starbuck put her hand over the ejection handle during the "final flashback". I wonder... could she have ejected, some...thing picked her up?
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The coup at the end was unexpected, and Cavil's "Oh ****" reaction was awesome.
Personally, I really liked his
"And for the last time: no-ooooo."
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I'm not listing names or anything, but I tried 3 torrents... and they were all fake :wtf:
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anyone figure the centurions are gonna pwn all the humanforms and brinhg back logic and clarity to the race? :D
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So the centurions can think for themselves now? This will be pretty interesting.
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anyone figure the centurions are gonna pwn all the humanforms and brinhg back logic and clarity to the race? :D
Not all, they only went after the ones who were in support of lobotomizing the raiders. More like half.
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When watching "Mealstrom", I saw that Starbuck put her hand over the ejection handle during the "final flashback". I wonder... could she have ejected, some...thing picked her up?
No, the canopy is still on her Viper when it blows. She didn't eject, she really did die.
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anyone figure the centurions are gonna pwn all the humanforms and brinhg back logic and clarity to the race? :D
Not all, they only went after the ones who were in support of lobotomizing the raiders. More like half.
After seeing the previews for the next one I suspect that they eventually start to turn on everybody.
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I don't think they will turn on the ones who freed them, will they?
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You never know...
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I went on IMDB and found a very interesting connection.
you know the voice of the Hybrid in Razor? I thought it sounded pretty familiar, so i looked it up, and i was right.
He was also the voice of the Bentusi in all 3 Homeworld games
(as well as the english language narrator in Gundam Wing)
very interesting parallel, Bentusi-Hybrid and all
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I went on IMDB and found a very interesting connection.
you know the voice of the Hybrid in Razor? I thought it sounded pretty familiar, so i looked it up, and i was right.
He was also the voice of the Bentusi in all 3 Homeworld games
(as well as the english language narrator in Gundam Wing)
very interesting parallel, Bentusi-Hybrid and all
It's such a shame he's being typecast.
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It's such a shame he's being typecast.
typecast as being-spaceship combinations?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0132655/
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Yeah, that was the joke.
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When watching "Mealstrom", I saw that Starbuck put her hand over the ejection handle during the "final flashback". I wonder... could she have ejected, some...thing picked her up?
No, the canopy is still on her Viper when it blows. She didn't eject, she really did die.
Oh, in that case... Another theory.
The "Leoben" in that last part, who wasn't really Leoben (Starbuck asked him, and he confirmed he wasn't the Cylon model starbuck meant by Saying "No"), is God.
A simple theory to explain it all?
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I think he's probably one of the Gods.
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nah, Gaius Baltar in the pinstripe suit who talks to Gaius and Six is god.
obviously
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nah, Gaius Baltar in the pinstripe suit who talks to Gaius and Six is god.
obviously
Perhaps Head-Baltar, Head-Six, and Head-Leoben are all one and the same.
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Am I the only one who doesn't get the whole bit about Starbuck being sent out to find a way to earth? She already found it and they all went "Wtf, you're alive, you must be a Cylon!" How the frak is her coming back after finding Earth a second time going to change anything?
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How the frak is her coming back after finding Earth a second time going to change anything?
Adama wants the exact route, first of all. And absolute proof, including more witnesses, and NAV Data so he can convince the president.
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Am I the only one who doesn't get the whole bit about Starbuck being sent out to find a way to earth? She already found it and they all went "Wtf, you're alive, you must be a Cylon!" How the frak is her coming back after finding Earth a second time going to change anything?
Well Helo is going with as I understand...and...well it'd be under less weird circumstances. A proper full on ship coming back with nav data rather than a spotless Viper that was destroyed with a wiped nav computer.
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Man, this show keeps getting more and more depressing.
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Wow, tonight's episode was brutal. You said it, Solatar.
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What a way to go...
It was kinda nessesary though... I wonder how Tyrol is gonna react
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1) Your spouse hasn't made love to you in ages
2) Your spouse seems to be getting more and more distant
3) Your spouse is frequenting a bar behind your back
4) Your spouse is getting felt up by someone at the bar
5) Your spouse's would-be lover is a Cylon
6) Your spouse is also a Cylon
7) Your spouse starts lying to you about 1-6 to keep you from finding out anything
8) You decide to commit suicide with your baby using your spouse's launch key
9) Your spouse's would-be Cylon lover finds you as you're about to commit suicide
10) Your spouse's would-be lover seduces you into staying alive, takes your baby, and drop-kicks you across the room
11) Then she flushes you out the airlock and your own baby gets to see you die.
/me puts on Daniel Powter - Bad Day
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Well, who else totally DID NOT see that coming?
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lmao this **** is gettin better and better by the fracing minute :D
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Jesus tap-dancing Christ that was full on. Seriously. Wow. If the way Cally was
killed murdered wasn't bad enough, the fact that Tyrol will think she committed suicide from stress alone - evidenced by his comments during the preview for next week - is freaking brutal. Honestly, never would I have thought Galactica could actually get any more depressing after the New Caprica arc last season.
On a lighter note, anyone catch the Star Trek reference?
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Nooooooo!
That episode hurt allot.
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Did anyone notice the constellation Orion in the background when Cavil's ships kill the other Cylons? (I'm betting this is a subtle hint that the Cylons have either found Earth or are at least very close to it) :D
And yeah, this was by far the darkest Battlestar episode yet. :)
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Really? The beginning of the third season was pretty frakking dark. Personally, I thought that was a lot harder to take. (even with chubby Lee for comic relief.)
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How successful was cavil in destroying the other Cylons? How well did they fight back? I wonder how he will be punished for his blasphemy and murder.
Man, the Cylons have really fallen from grace.
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Everyone starts killing each other :shaking:!
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cylon civil war baby :D
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Civil war? Nah...they're having their one God reformation. I smell a crusade.
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Civil war? Nah...they're having their one God reformation. I smell a crusade.
That depends on how successful Cavil's attack was.
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I went back and rewatched, and I'm fairly sure I saw at least one base ship exploding.
I'd be really surprised if the civil War went down that quickly, though...
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Logically, it seems like it might end quickly...
Plotwise...come on, they can't end something in one or two episodes. It's not possible for them.
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the centurions and raiders are gonna get pissed revert to theyr oldschool I WILL ****ING RIP YOU IN HALF methods and pwn everyone :)
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That's Caprica 6! They can't get rid of her... or can they? Wait, is that Caprica 6? They all look the same to me :D
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Caprica 6 is in Galactica's brig.
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I find it a little sad now that it appears the Diana's won't be brought back after all. :(
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I find it a little sad now that it appears the Diana's won't be brought back after all. :(
How do you know that? The story is just starting to play out after all...
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I find it a little sad now that it appears the Diana's won't be brought back after all. :(
How do you know that? The story is just starting to play out after all...
I'm going to paraphrase a quote that's always so fitting when watching television...
"Who would have ever thought that two parallel plotlines would collide!?"
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I find it a little sad now that it appears the Diana's won't be brought back after all. :(
I don't think the writers would've brought the topic up if it wasn't going to become significant somehow.
Especially since they went to the trouble of mentioning this intriguing 'central Resurrection Hub.'
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didnt they something about resurections servers? :P
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didnt they something about resurections servers? :P
Yes. D'anna was being downloaded from the central resurrection hub to a nearby server.
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didnt they something about resurections servers? :P
Yes. D'anna was being downloaded from the central resurrection hub to a nearby server.
Supposedly anyways. I guess the nearby "server" would be a resurrection ship because thats what they seemed to be surprised about when a resurrection ship didn't arrive.
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No, that was the resurrection ship that was traveling with their fleet.
Cavil ordered it to remain behind so the ones he killed couldn't resurrect.
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Yep I realize that but I wondered if they were also expecting a particular resurrection ship that carried the consciousness. It wasn't completely clear to me.
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The Sharon's and 6's didn't seem surprised about the absence of a resurrection ship until after Cavil arrived, so methinks either the "server" isn't a resurrection ship in itself, or they weren't going to meet up with it until a later jump. (I think Cavil mentioned it was a few jumps away, right?)
At any rate I'm sure it'll be revealed next episode. :)
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/me
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I really liked tonight. No major plot movement, but the character stuff was great. Tyrol's showdown with Adama was painful to watch, Balter seems to have a real angel watching over him, and goodness, Tory's gotten scary.
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Tory's definitely creepy.
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Tory? What about the Colonel? THAT is freaky...
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I found the scene where Tyrol is getting counseling from Tory and Tigh grimly amusing. Yeah, I guess the guy who killed his wife and the woman who killed your wife might have a certain bond with the situation.
What I really liked about tonight's episode was that practically everybody was in a completely different position from where they started the show. The president's becoming the heartless ruler she accused Adama/Tigh of being in season 1/2; Baltar's putting his life on the line for a group of people; Lee's playing politician; Adama is touring bars; and the Chief is no longer actually the Chief. And Tigh is getting it on with a Cylon.
Question of the week: Who decides what the Cylon prisoners should wear, and what made them conclude that a low-cut evening gown with metal rings was proper attire for a dangerous, extremely able prisoner?
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Some quality development of existing plot-lines, always makes for good watching. This season is fast getting weird, creepy and downright strange, all of which is totally awesome.
Question of the week: Who decides what the Cylon prisoners should wear, and what made them conclude that a low-cut evening gown with metal rings was proper attire for a dangerous, extremely able prisoner?
I don't have my HDD handy so I can't check, but i'm pretty sure that was what Caprica was wearing when she first arrived on Galactica. It must be getting pretty stinky by now, though.
The real [mundane] question is whether Tigh's right eye should not be blinking. Seriously. I know the eye is gone so there's no need for it to blink, but wouldn't it still happen by reflex? Or does the lack of a supporting eyeball prevent it from happening?
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I belive there is still some action to blinking even without an eyeball cause of muscle memory after blinking both eyes for 40+ years you'd have to make a real effort to actually blink one instead of going through the motions. You'd have to retrain yourself, but who'd bother unless blinking both eyes without having 2 eyes was painful.
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*bump*
Wow, how do you think the fleet is going to handle a big base ship following them around... :eek:
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I dunno, the baseship hasn't reached the fleet yet and the fleet is overdo to leave. They might not get back. I thought it was interesting that the prophesy told was that Starbuck was the harbinger of death or whatnot.
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That's what the proto-hybrid thing said in Razor. No one lived to tell anyone though.
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*bump*
Wow, how do you think the fleet is going to handle a big base ship following them around... :eek:
Instead of having just one crippled ship defending the fleet they now have two, although that baseship is in even worse shape than galactica.
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Although, are the centurions on that baseship going to start shooting now? They didn't seem to like the hybrid being unplugged...and one among their number was killed.
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Worried about that. (Also, thank God this episode was so good -- after last week I was starting to worry!)
I just can't wait to see Adama's reaction when the base ship jumps in with Demetrius. Surely they won't just let it mix in with the rest of the fleet? It must still have loads of ordinance...
I'm guessing they'll find a way to sacrifice/lose the base ship (and perhaps some of the Cylon characters) during or after the midseason cliffhanger.
I think the most important thing that happened tonight was the revelation that the Final Five are from Earth and should know the way back. That ties together the Earth and Final Five storylines very neatly.
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As long as they don't give Lee command of the baseship, he'll lose it.
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Thank goodness, they can't -- he's a civilian now!
...I vote we give command of the base ship to Doc Cottle.
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Btw, that leads to another question: The hybrid on the baseship *may* be dead, if that is so then how will they be able to control it? Taking out the hybrid is like ripping the CPU out of your computer.
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They wired the FTL drive to the Raptor's navigation system so they can jump but I wouldn't expect much else to work
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Is it just me or are they killing off some old character who hasn't surfaced in a while in every episode now?
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They do it so suddenly too...just out of the blue BAM! ...dead character...
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They do it so suddenly too...just out of the blue BAM! ...dead character...
I'm starting to get a bit worried. We might lose Racetrack this season!
Oh, and wow. Nana Visitor. Really wasn't expecting Major freaking Kira to be there when Roslin pulled back the curtain. That woman has some serious acting chops. :yes:
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Frankly, I don't mind too much -- it's better than some random redshirt dying. I was really sad when Sergeant Hadrian died during the EVA last week, though. I think Gaeta's next on the chopping block.
Also, looks like we'll get to finally learn something about why Hera's special.
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Yes, finally some more info on that kid...
I think the reason they keep killing off everybody is because they want you to feel like anybody could die - like they were capable to taking Helo (or something) in a second.
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Well they haven't killed anyone from the miniseries yet (as far as I can recall anyway). I'd be majorly pissed if they killed Helo.
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Elosha was in the miniseries.
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Helo is the ****z right now.
But they're not going to have anyone left for Starbuck to lead into doom pretty soon.
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Well they haven't killed anyone from the miniseries yet (as far as I can recall anyway). I'd be majorly pissed if they killed Helo.
Not counting Billy, Cally, Crashdown, Socinus..:p
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Was Crashdown in the Miniseries?
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No, 33. I pulled the list off of BattlestarWiki and his description cites the Miniseries.
So not counting Billy, Cally, Socinus.. :p
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Starbuck is not leading people to doom. You misinterpret the meaning of the Hybrid's words. She is leading them to their "end" (goal) but tends to be there when people die. The whole death thing is exactly like the hybrid in Razor rambled on about.
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That's an interesting reading, but I'm inclined to believe that 'you are the harbinger of the apocalypse...you will lead them all to their end', delivered in a portentous tone to portentous music, suggests that poor Kara Thrace is, in fact, going to get everyone killed.
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C'mon they aren't going to kill off everybody... are they?
I bet Baltar is the only one that lives and becomes a god like figure to a young Earth. That would make sense since the first BSG back in the 70's was basically saying that our great culture and past came from the stars.
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Well, of course, somebody might still stop Kara. She might very well stop herself.
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I still don't get why she hears music. What did Leoben say about Kara hearing the music?
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Baltar is the only one that survives and renames himself either Abraham or Gilgamesh (depending on the amount of influence he wants to have)
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I can see Gilgamesh but not Abraham...
I could see the ark being Galatica
Tribes = symbolic animals
Conflict on Earth = Flood
Being I interpret the bible literally I constantly look at other theories contrary to what I believe. I seemed to remember one close to where this story could go...
Hmm... Something else came to mind: The hybrids (1/2 cylon) could represent what Genesis talks about the angels (cylons) breeding with people creating giants (hybrids).
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No, 33. I pulled the list off of BattlestarWiki and his description cites the Miniseries.
So not counting Billy, Cally, Socinus.. :p
*facepalm* I need to watch the miniseries again.
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I can see Gilgamesh but not Abraham...
I could see the ark being Galatica
Tribes = symbolic animals
Conflict on Earth = Flood
Being I interpret the bible literally I constantly look at other theories contrary to what I believe. I seemed to remember one close to where this story could go...
Hmm... Something else came to mind: The hybrids (1/2 cylon) could represent what Genesis talks about the angels (cylons) breeding with people creating giants (hybrids).
Then we have Utnapishtam or Noah.
I like the "saving from the flood" analogy, but I don't think Baltar gets to be Noah.
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I still don't get why she hears music. What did Leoben say about Kara hearing the music?
I think he's just using music as a metaphor for the call of Earth.
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I'd be majorly pissed if they killed Helo.
Yeah, I think RDM's quite attached to that character judging from the podcasts, so hopefully they wont be offing him...yet at any rate. I'm pretty sure Seelix and the new guy on the Demetrius that always argues with Starbuck are teetering on the edge.
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Harbinger of Death = One who signals or is there when death happens. Does not mean the source, or the cause, nor leading people to death. Simply calling it out.
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Actually, the First Hybrid said 'she will lead the human race to its end'. So yes, she will be doing the leading.
Whether 'end' means 'death' has been debated here...except that she's also called the 'harbinger of death', as you pointed out, which is probably telling.
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Is anybody else getting kind of annoyed with the excruciatingly slow pace/way-too-heavy religious/Christian overtones? It's all good quality, but it's starting to get to the point where it's practically a show about religion. For pete's sake, the main image on the BSG web page is a knock off of The Last Supper: http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/
They also could have probably cut that whole episode down to twenty minutes and been fine with it. I'm just getting annoyed that all of these episodes are just setting up scenery for something big, without feeling like we're making any progress towards it.
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Honestly I'm pretty tired of it too... the main reason I like the show other than it just being a great story is because it's probably the closest thing to a FreeSpace movie I'll ever see. Man, I bought Solaris for me and Melissa and told her it was great. She hated the whole story of it and honestly I do too. But I couldn't keep my eye off of the environment, his big window, and the cool planet. :P
The whole religious aspect of BSG has exhausted its potential to make this story an art form. BSG is not just a space story, not really a "religious" one either. The acclaimed "space opera" is more of a show about human nature. What is more human than religion? BSG portrays how religion can be good, bad, and ridiculous more also it would seem that he wanted to make the distinction with what's real and what's not. Although I can't say I agree with him, but that's not the reason I watch it. I'm comfortable enough with what I believe to see that it's simply a good story. I often like to sit back and enjoy what the human imagination is capable of. This show was birthed from a brilliant mind and ironically is a statement about the parallels between religion and imagination. :lol:
I will completely agree though that they are dragging it out this last season and I cannot stand cliffhangers :)
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It had good momentum until the pair of episodes after
Cally died
('The Road Less Traveled' and 'Escape Velocity'), I believe. But I think that 'Faith', the last episode, was a good sign and a step back in the right direction.
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I once said somebody needed to throw them a Viper-shaped bone, well...they need to again.
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Hot damn, that was a good episode. I'm really starting to warm up to the notion that the entire season is going to be one, long arc without any stand-alones. Really packing in the tension. The whole prophecy/vision storyline is really starting to get interesting, I just wish we'd get to see a little more of Caprica Six. Still, Athena going nutters and taking out Natalie in cold blood is good enough, I guess.
Also, i've come to realize that the gunners of Galactica must have some serious balls to have only a thin, glass barrier between them and the friendly skies. I wonder if the BtRL lads have inserted little people sitting in those bubbles on their Galactica model:
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/6781/galacturretof4.jpg)
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The last few minutes of that episode were just nervewracking. Gosh, everything that could've gone wrong...went wrong. But in a highly dramatic and entertaining way!
Looks like Lee's going to be president next episode.
So, resurrection hub? What d'you think?
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Loved it!
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BSG is starting to remind me of '24', especially because of what happened to Felix. Scary.
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BSG is starting to remind me of '24', especially because of what happened to Felix. Scary.
Poor, poor Gaeta.
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Is anybody else getting kind of annoyed with the excruciatingly slow pace/way-too-heavy religious/Christian overtones? It's all good quality, but it's starting to get to the point where it's practically a show about religion. For pete's sake, the main image on the BSG web page is a knock off of The Last Supper: http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/
They also could have probably cut that whole episode down to twenty minutes and been fine with it. I'm just getting annoyed that all of these episodes are just setting up scenery for something big, without feeling like we're making any progress towards it.
The dialog in this show is so beautiful, and so charged, that I don't find myself seeing its as simply a preparatory device. It's a part of the show's fabric, and it's what makes it a real drama and not just an orgy of plot. There are times when I almost hope there won't be any major progress in the story arc just because of the moments that I wish they could suspend even longer. And as for the religious allegory, I'm a sucker for that stuff anyway, so no complaints from me.
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For pete's sake, the main image on the BSG web page is a knock off of The Last Supper: http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/
So no one can have a picture of the whole gang at a table, on the view of the tables side, without it being religious? You are reading too far into it, and stop getting ur panties in a bunch.
Too religous? Come on, the whole quest for earth, which you love that part of the story, came out of their sacred books, of corse its going to be religous and show how they progress in their beleifs as they near their goal. Their religon surronds the quest for earth, so cant have one without the other. Get over it.
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Hera is getting really creepy. Period. Especially that scene where Athena wakes up from that vision, Hera is right there and says "Bye Bye".
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I think the final cylon is NOT baltar. baltars just insance caz he got his whole planet nuked. That chick who is the core of the Bayships, she is the final model. Once shes liberated, she will use her visions for her own will. Her model will be wiked cool.
Thats where the 'shape of things to come' , Hera, is a mix of permniicent Bayship-core-lady and humans and cylon...
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I'm not sure the hybrid could be the final Cylon. In fact, I'm pretty sure the hybrid is not any one of the Twelve.
They say they already know who it is, and have for a long while now (presumably since late S3.) And, allegedly, there've been hints dropped for a while. But all we know is that it will be revealed 'in the howl of terrible suffering'...which isn't much to go on.
Unless it's Gaeta, losing his leg and all.
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That's a distinct possibility...
Or Starbuck, she heard the music
And that scene with Hera standing over Athena was much more terrifying than any bloodbath they could come up with
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For pete's sake, the main image on the BSG web page is a knock off of The Last Supper: http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/
So no one can have a picture of the whole gang at a table, on the view of the tables side, without it being religious? You are reading too far into it, and stop getting ur panties in a bunch.
Too religous? Come on, the whole quest for earth, which you love that part of the story, came out of their sacred books, of corse its going to be religous and show how they progress in their beleifs as they near their goal. Their religon surronds the quest for earth, so cant have one without the other. Get over it.
They're all arranged in a relatively similar fashion, there are twelve characters, it coincides with the whole religion arc - it's not a coincidence, it's deliberate and pretty obvious. You have to be pretty blind not to see it.
Anyway, good last episode. Things are finally starting to pick up again, although the cliffhangers annoy the hell out of me :p
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I still think Starbuck is the last cylon. She's going to lead "her people" to their end.
...the humans get off just fine, however.
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I think it's Gaeta.
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Mark my words, its Roslyn. There are pointers and clues in nearly every episode.
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I think the final cylon is NOT baltar. baltars just insance caz he got his whole planet nuked. That chick who is the core of the Bayships, she is the final model. Once shes liberated, she will use her visions for her own will. Her model will be wiked cool.
Thats where the 'shape of things to come' , Hera, is a mix of permniicent Bayship-core-lady and humans and cylon...
Have you been watching the show? The hybrids are a part of the ship. They aren't a Cylon model at all. Your bit about Hera doesn't make any sense either.
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Have you been watching the show?
I believe he already answered that question:
Bayship
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Do we really have to wait 2 weeks for the next episode!
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Apparently...
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Do we really have to wait 2 weeks for the next episode!
That sucks so much! After the ending of the last one...
...making us wait like that.
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TWO WEEKS! Rarrrrrrgh!
At least Faith was class. It just seemed to recapture so much of the atmosphere that made season 1 great. Though it was contrived in the extreme, the baseship jumping into the middle of the fleet without the demetrius was a great scene, really makes me want to play BTRL, streaking towards you target with transports flashing out all around.
I reckon Roslin is the final cylon. It just seems to be more and more fitting, perhaps I'm subconciously picking up on a load of subtle cues. If she's not it'll require very good writing/plotting to prevent any alternative from seeming like a cheap gag.
Just to clarify a point, didn't the Cylons say they don't make any more hybrids at one point? So no new baseships? Maybe I'm just making that up because it seems a bit ludicrous.
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whats the current episode
ive seen upto Episode 7 - Guess What's Coming to Dinner
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whats the current episode
ive seen upto Episode 7 - Guess What's Coming to Dinner
That's current. Next one airs this Friday.
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Okay, I've just gotten caught up to episode 7 by watching from season three episode 10 up to there over the weekend. Man, this is a good show.
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But there are some weird things about the last episodes of season 3 (and the entire series for that matter):
1) WTH was up with the non-percussive music?
2) Exactly how did the four cylons deduce that they were cylons? From what I've seen, they just sorta went
crazy and assumed the worst.
3) What exactly is the point of the colonials going to Earth again? Was it so the Earthicans could kill all the cylons for them, or just so they could have a huge party? They seem to be getting quite chummy with the cylons for the former to be true, and the latter is just stupid.
4) Why exactly did people start worshiping Baltar during the trials again?
5) Why exactly is Hera so important to everyone? What would happen to the people if she were euthenized?
Are these things that I've just missed in the series, or are these questions that everyone is asking? :confused:
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1) It was meant to represent the song all four Cylons were hearing.
2) The music served as a trigger. They are now fully aware of their Cylonness. Whether the music is a manifestation of a signal, a buried subconscious instinct, or something else, remains to be revealed.
4) He wrote a book that became extraordinarily popular, and his belief in the Cylon God struck a chord.
5) The fact that Hera is valued by the Cylons makes her valuable to the humans. Since everyone now believes in prophecy and such, they recognize that Hera clearly plays a role.
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3: At the end of the miniseries Adama tries to give hope to the survivors by claiming he knows how to find the home of the 13th tribe (Earth). It turns out later that this was a bunch of BS on Adama's part, but Rosslyn discovers the Pythian prophecy which says that a dying leader (her) will lead the remnants of humanity to Earth, and therein, salvation. Adama ends up joining with Rosslyn on this quest, but now in season 4 we have Miss "Harbinger of the Apocalypse" Kara and some rogue Cylons who are adding a very weird situation with the whole finding Earth business.
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3: At the end of the miniseries Adama tries to give hope to the survivors by claiming he knows how to find the home of the 13th tribe (Earth). It turns out later that this was a bunch of BS on Adama's part, but Rosslyn discovers the Pythian prophecy which says that a dying leader (her) will lead the remnants of humanity to Earth, and therein, salvation. Adama ends up joining with Rosslyn on this quest, but now in season 4 we have Miss "Harbinger of the Apocalypse" Kara and some rogue Cylons who are adding a very weird situation with the whole finding Earth business.
So essentially all it is is a plight to strike the least bit of hope into the survivors of the fleet that they will reach Earth, even though that place may or may not harbour refuge from the cylons, which are becoming less and less of a threat as the series wears on?
A lot of BSG is starting to seem more and more like some crazy drugged up delusion. I conjecture that this entire series is actually a dream that some stoner had on Earth.
And I wish the colonials were more xenophobic. Early in the series, it seems like it really was a fight for survival, and that just one wrong move and you're in another epic battle for the existence of humanity, and everyone hates cylons. But in the later seasons, you got cylons in a civil war, you got people makin' babies with cylons; essentially they humanize cylons just enough for you to wonder what exactly the difference is, not enough for you to want the war to end and everyone be friends, but too much for you to want the fleet to just get to earth and kill all the cylons regardless of who they are.
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That's kinda the point, thesizzler.
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Yeah, they aren't giving us any easy answers as an audience, especially with regards to our feelings towards the Cylons. And it's quite intentional.
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Unfortunately, as he points out, it hasn't done good things for the entertainment value of the show. And honestly, they've gone about it in a rather half-assed manner. Things are getting a little surreal here. Humanizing the Cylons this much (or at least attempting to) was not necessary. And they're also quite schizophrenic about this whole "humanizing" thing. Six gunned down the council. The presidential aide lady flushed Callie out of an airlock. Tigh was rather less than concerned with human life on New Caprica. So they want the Cylons to be more human, but on the other hand, they're also rather consistantly making them seem more ruthless.
My suspension of disbelief is getting more than a little stretched.
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pffft... Cylon hater... :P
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Unfortunately, as he points out, it hasn't done good things for the entertainment value of the show. And honestly, they've gone about it in a rather half-assed manner. Things are getting a little surreal here. Humanizing the Cylons this much (or at least attempting to) was not necessary. And they're also quite schizophrenic about this whole "humanizing" thing. Six gunned down the council. The presidential aide lady flushed Callie out of an airlock. Tigh was rather less than concerned with human life on New Caprica. So they want the Cylons to be more human, but on the other hand, they're also rather consistantly making them seem more ruthless.
My suspension of disbelief is getting more than a little stretched.
Personally, I still feel the Cylons were at their best waaay back in season 1. Namely the episode '33'. They were a faceless force of destruction, coming after the Fleet mechanically like the machines they truly were. It was brilliant. They were an awe-inspiring foe, and deliciously foreign. It's probably because '33' is my all time favorite ep, but that depiction of the Cylons will always have a soft spot in my heart.
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Ok. So, let's do a little logical deduction here. If the final five Cylons came from Earth, just how long have there been interactions between Earth and the Cylons? I'd have to guess that the Cylons found Earth (or Earth found the Cylons) somewhere during the 40-year interregnum. Possibly even as early as the latter part of the first war. Earth may have even been the instigator for Cylons attempts to make organic bodies for themselves. Regardless, there have probably been interactions between the Cylons and Earth for some time now, even though most Cylons are unaware of it.
Does this make Earth seem like a hospitable place to you?
Another thing I've wondered about is where are the templates for the 12 Cylon models? I've assumed up to this point that there were actual humans each model was based on. Where are they? Are they dead? Are they still being used to make more copies?
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I actually think they said that each human model was "constructed" out of the same gene pool. They are machines... *shrug*
Maybe, the final five have absolutely nothing to do with the cylons... eh.. in the sense that they rebelled or something.
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I happen to think that the Final Five came from a previous cycle -- referring to the frequently repeated mantra 'all of this has happened before, all of this will happen again'. If humanity originally came from Earth, colonized Kobol, and is now returning, then it all kinda makes sense.
There are three facts to support this view: first, the dates on the structures they find as they move towards Earth (beacon, Temple of Five) are actually getting older, second, the prophet Pythia chronicled the voyage to Earth, but somehow her records got back to the Colonies, and third, 'All Along the Watchtower', as a song, is a story told in reverse chronology.
But I might be totally wrong.
As for the depiction of the Cylons, I agree that they've gotten less intimidating, but, frankly, I'd have been frustrated if they remained enigmatic killers. They're too important, and they offer too many good storytelling opportunities, to remain opaque.
It would just be too morally easy for them to be a force of destruction. And BSG has never tried to be easy.
I believe part of the reason they seem so unstable and ruthless is because they're a young society, almost a species in adolescence. They're not used to conflict and challenge.
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Unfortunately, as he points out, it hasn't done good things for the entertainment value of the show. And honestly, they've gone about it in a rather half-assed manner. Things are getting a little surreal here. Humanizing the Cylons this much (or at least attempting to) was not necessary. And they're also quite schizophrenic about this whole "humanizing" thing. Six gunned down the council. The presidential aide lady flushed Callie out of an airlock. Tigh was rather less than concerned with human life on New Caprica. So they want the Cylons to be more human, but on the other hand, they're also rather consistantly making them seem more ruthless.
My suspension of disbelief is getting more than a little stretched.
All of those things are perfectly natural with real life parallels, though. 'Humanizing' the Cylons doesn't have to mean that they become more empathic and caring, as the show goes on they're developing more and more human faults. It was very easy for the Cylons to justify their actions way back when they were united in purpose, didn't kill each other, and didn't interact with humans much, but as they've matured, they've been finding out that things aren't nearly so clear-cut as they seem.
Cylons have always been portrayed as rather inexperienced and anti-social, while as the series progress they've been forced to more and more reconsider their morals and judgment. While the Colonials seem to have been getting more moral and humanistic as time goes on, the Cylons have been getting less moral and more prone to violence and emotion. Compare the Cylons who were willing to dupe an entire civilization in order to massacre it with the Cylons who reconsider their plans to instigate a rebellion against their human allies for the sake of engendering trust. It's not necessarily that the Cylons have been getting portrayed as more 'human', it's that they really are getting more human by dint of being put into situations and forming relationships that they never had the opportunity nor reason to form before.
It would be very, very boring if the Cylons had remained as faceless as they were in '33'. I think the reason that so much has changed with the Cylons is because it's the last season, and because they can get away with anything - there's no reason not to try putting the Cylons in some new situation and finding out how they react if it works with the resolution (or lack thereof) of the plot.
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The problem with that interpretation is the final five who are now aware of their Cylon-ness do not come from such a society. Their memories, if anything, are those of human society, yet they're still portrayed as being more vicious. Which does not make sense for the circumstances; there is a disconnect between them and Cylon society at large yet both are written the same way.
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Neither Tori, Chief, nor Anders showed any sign of a vicious personality prior to becoming aware of their state as Cylons. Tigh has never really been vicious in the same manner as Tori or other Cylons - rather than dispassionately causing pain, his suicide bombing was more of an emotional attack. Killing his wife was a very consistent thing for him to do.
After the revelation, I'd say that only Tori has really become 'vicious', and she seems to be the one most entranced with her Cylon side. Chief, apparently, has grown cold and distant (assuming his relationship with Calli is related to the revelation of his Cylonship), but that's not exactly unusual for Chief.
Anders has been practically unaffected, aside from that sticking-his-hand-in-Cylon-goo thing.
Tigh seems to be having some problems with waking dreams, but he doesn't really seem to be embarking in any gross cruelty...except with the Six, which is exactly what you'd expect from him prior to that anyway.
For the most part, the final five couldn't be portrayed as more vicious, because characters like Chief and Anders were (or so the podcasts say) supposed to be only minor characters. Since then, I don't see their reactions as being any more suspicious than knowing that they're considered sworn enemies of the fleet and would probably be locked up and interrogated if the truth was known. That's bound to put some distance between them and others. (Again, Tori excepted, who seems to relish the idea of being a Cylon and having that flexible morality to hang on to).
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Wait, how is sleeping with Caprica Six something we would've expected from an earlier Tigh? That was my interpretation of what's going on, at least.
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Going in and interrogating her/assaulting her. I think he's probably more vicious because he knows he's a Cylon and is taking out his anger on her, not because he's just being vicious for the sake of being vicious. Tigh has always been just as flawed as Starbuck, but just as willing to lash out.
Hell, you could argue Gaeta (stabbing Baltar in the neck), Roslin (flushing Cylons out the airlock), Adama (threatening to kill Callie), Cain (shooting her XO in the head, etc) or Starbuck (pick an encounter) have all displayed 'vicious' tendencies.
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Dude, Caprica Six assaulted Tigh. Not the other way around. I mean, he may have started it, but he got his ass kicked.
And then I'm pretty sure they started having sex. More than once, apparently, given hints dropped over the last few episodes.
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I grieve because my portable HD had ALL the BSG seasons, and I LOST it.
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I grieve because my portable HD had ALL the BSG seasons, and I LOST it.
Lost as in "can't find" or lost as in "oh **** I dropped my coke"?
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Lost as in "can't find" or lost as in "oh **** I dropped my coke"?
Lost as in "Holy Mary Mother of Jesus I left it behind in school!"
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WARNING!!! HUGE SPOILER
Adama steps down and is no longer head of the military
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*bump*
Did she just say that Roslin is the final cylon? :eek:
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Wow, that was a really good episode.
The fight between Tigh and Adama was great, Adama staying behind in the raptor, Lee as the new president. Just wow.
Edit: Looks as if next week's episode is mid-season finale, aye?
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going to have to catch up on the last episode, luckily I found a portable hard drive with them all on
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Wow, that was a really good episode. The fight between Tigh and Adama was great, Adama staying behind in the raptor, Lee as the new president. Just wow.
Edit: Looks as if next week's episode is mid-season finale, aye?
No, there are two more, titled 'The Hub' and 'Revelations.'
So, I'm going to guess that they'll be at Earth by the mid-season cliffhanger.
That episode was great. I totally called the Tigh/Six love-child
last week!
Also, did everyone catch what happened with Lampkin's cat? Every live appearance of the cat this episode was Lampkin hallucinating; it's been dead for weeks. I didn't get that on my first viewing, and I was really confused.
So, in addition to the HeadSix and HeadBaltar, we've now got HeadLancetheCat.
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No, there are two more, titled 'The Hub' and 'Revelations.'
So, I'm going to guess that they'll be at Earth by the mid-season cliffhanger.
That episode was great. I totally called the Tigh/Six love-child
last week!
Also, did everyone catch what happened with Lampkin's cat? Every live appearance of the cat this episode was Lampkin hallucinating; it's been dead for weeks. I didn't get that on my first viewing, and I was really confused.
So, in addition to the HeadSix and HeadBaltar, we've now got HeadLancetheCat.
Yeah, I didn't catch that cat-hallucination thing until my 2nd time watching the episode. I was confused at first when Lee says "The cat's been dead for weeks." as I was like "Wait, there's no way weeks have gone by in that time span..."
Another interesting thing I didn't catch the first time is what I think is the first direct reference to artificial gravity, when Racetrack checks out the dead Raptor. Cool beans. :yes:
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So, I'm going to guess that they'll be at Earth by the mid-season cliffhanger.
Blegh... That'd stink.
They set up the entire series to have the arrival at Earth be the goal of everyone's plight. IMHO they should either start wrapping up everyone's more minor problems before they get to Earth and then have Earth complete the series by helping the colonials (whether that be provide asylum from the hostile cylons or armed protection; it's the colonials original problem), or tie in all of the solution to the arrival at Earth. Either way, they should hold off the arrival at Earth to the last possible second, barring epilogues of course.
If the had the fleet arrive at Earth mid-season, they'd be climaxing the series way too early. Everything else past that IMHO would be falling action and just be lame compared to that, unless they downplayed the arrival. If they did that, then the series isn't worth watching anymore because that's one of the main premises to the show, and solving that early only creates the "wat we do now?" issue.
If they didn't downplay the arrival, they'd need to make the entire second half of the season into a huge finale, which would probably wouldn't be quite as bad as downplaying the arrival.
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On an unrelated note,
Complexity in a show is good, but with such a large delay between the broadcast of each episode, the more the episodes need to become independent of each other. Otherwise they become one huge 40 hour movie, or an unabridged screenplay of a 1500 page book. And that's not easy to watch at biweekly intervals. IMHO they should try and go back to the two or three episode sub-series dealing with relatively small facets of the show, and have various less blatant issues string everything together, along with the main goal of reaching Earth being the primary "trunk" of the series.
It seems in the latter series they're sort of getting that, but the plots for each individual episode don't really go anywhere. These subplots are way to vague, and they're not providing enough substance from the main plot (well at least in episode 8) for that to be the main focus.
This given, the show is still bounds better than any other television show I can think of. The entire thing has an encompassing plot, yet the episodes still retain a certain essence of independantness (although that could be a bit stronger).
Also, I was disappointed that they didn't say anything about Geta. I'm assuming he's still in the sickbay with his single leg, or did he die?
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From the sounds of it...whenever we do get to Earth its not going to be all roses. I think its going to end on a rough or somber note.
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Agreed.
Gaeta's still alive. He wouldn't have died offscreen.
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Does anybody disagree that Roslin's the fifth cylon?
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Does anybody disagree that Roslin's the fifth cylon?
IMHO it's just as likely that Starbuck is the last cylon as Roslin.
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I hope they reach earth + earth says "piss off" :D
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Does anybody disagree that Roslin's the fifth cylon?
Yes.
The preview was clearly shot that way to trick the viewer.
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I don't really care...speculation has proven pointless at this point, it's obvious that there's no foreshadowing needed for somebody to become a Cylon...
It was fun in the first season and a half, but once they started deviating from the original plotline (or at least it felt like it) and people became Cylons willy-nilly, the Cylon chase became more a measure of intentional, obvious suspense to me...especially when characters themselves started using the term "Final Five". Very catchy, but what's so "final" about the five to other Cylons? They've known who they ("Significant Seven") are all along.
Anyway, the final Cylon stuff just annoys me because it's obviously a dangling plot thread that's there just to create suspense and push the story along so there's some bit of unknown there. Not to put anyone else off of it.
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Admiral Tigh. Sort of has a ring to it.
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Admiral Tigh. Sort of has a ring to it.
Is it temporary? or Pernament?
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Admiral Tigh. Sort of has a ring to it.
Is it temporary? or Pernament?
I certainly hope it's temporary. :D
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I don't really care...speculation has proven pointless at this point, it's obvious that there's no foreshadowing needed for somebody to become a Cylon...
It was fun in the first season and a half, but once they started deviating from the original plotline (or at least it felt like it) and people became Cylons willy-nilly, the Cylon chase became more a measure of intentional, obvious suspense to me...especially when characters themselves started using the term "Final Five". Very catchy, but what's so "final" about the five to other Cylons? They've known who they ("Significant Seven") are all along.
Anyway, the final Cylon stuff just annoys me because it's obviously a dangling plot thread that's there just to create suspense and push the story along so there's some bit of unknown there. Not to put anyone else off of it.
Ah, but the Five are from Earth and know the way there.
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Does anybody disagree that Roslin's the fifth cylon?
I'm not convinced...she might be. But then that'd be obvious.
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Romo Lampkin is the 5th.
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This isn't actually a spoiler, it doesn't give anything away, and it's just my opinion, but it does draw on some evidence from outside the show, so --
I don't think it's Lampkin...all the evidence is they brought him back because the fans loved him, not because he was plotted to be the Final Dude. And they have been pretty clear that they know who the final Cylon is.
If I'm bringing in too much extra-show evidence, please tell me and I'll be quiet.
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Well you don't know the timeline. They could have decided he was a favorite and then thought "Hey, perfect 5th"
If I remember correctly everyone related to him died long before the war.
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Wow. Tonight's episode was just ... wow :jaw:
So the rez hub got nuked, 3 is back, blah blah blah. And one other thing. About 3 telling Laura she was a cylon (like in the preview) ... I can't believe the writers would play a prank like that on us ... almost believed it for a sec ...
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Well you don't know the timeline. They could have decided he was a favorite and then thought "Hey, perfect 5th"
If I remember correctly everyone related to him died long before the war.
Except his wife and kids, who died during the attacks on the Colonies. He left them behind to get back on the shuttle that took him to safety -- his big conflict last episode.
Wow. Tonight's episode was just ... wow :jaw:
So the rez hub got nuked, 3 is back, blah blah blah. And one other thing. About 3 telling Laura she was a cylon (like in the preview) ... I can't believe the writers would play a prank like that on us ... almost believed it for a sec ...
I hate to say it, but...I didn't really like it. Something in the writing and the acting didn't click. Dilemmas that should've felt real and hard came across as contrived, tired, familiar. (Helo and Sharon face a crisis of conscience, again...and even Mary McDonnell, Roslin, couldn't make much of her lines surrounding Baltar.)
The effects were pretty, but the battle was disjointed and kind of ineffective (especially when compared to, say, Resurrection Ship Part 2.) Even the score seemed half-hearted.
I expected a lot more tension and drama surrounding the events on the rebel base star. Instead, everything went pretty smoothly right up to the attack. The Centurion attack on the humans that was foreshadowed two episodes ago, back in 'Guess What's Coming to Dinner', just didn't happen.
Lastly, Laura's visions didn't seem to do much except convince her she loved Bill, which she already seemed pretty okay with. Did we need another head-character? (That said, the most moving scene in the episode was Adama watching Roslin on the bed...oh, and it was interesting how she had a vision with every jump...)
I think part of the reason I came away so dissatisfied is that my expectations for the strike on the Hub were so high. I wanted it to be another Exodus or Resurrection Ship, but it didn't quite satisfy.
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How's this for interesting?
(From Roslin flashback)
Adama: ...and I saw Scar. The Cylon had saved my life, and I had done it no service.
So who's he talking about - Roslin, or Kara Thrace?
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Also, that lighting on Baltar when he's telling the dog story is pretty genius
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I hate to say it, but...I didn't really like it. Something in the writing and the acting didn't click. Dilemmas that should've felt real and hard came across as contrived, tired, familiar. (Helo and Sharon face a crisis of conscience, again...and even Mary McDonnell, Roslin, couldn't make much of her lines surrounding Baltar.)
I agree with you on the bit with Laura and Baltar (though I thought the part with Baltar finally confessing his role in the cylon attack on the colonies was brilliant). Baltar talking with the centurion was cute but a little annoying with its placement in the battle, cutting between the two just didn't seem to work with me.
Still, overall I found this to be a very good episode, one of my favorites for season 4. I thought the whole episode was thoroughly enjoyable and it finally resolved a fair deal of storyline that has been laid out previously. Granted there's still a LOT more yet to come. Regarding some memorable moments, I laughed out loud when Balter tried to calm the hybrid, and when D'anna snapped Cavil's neck. The attack on the hub was pretty awesome but I was hoping for a little more. Roslin's visions were revealing... er, maybe not so much revealing but interesting anyways. And of course, Adama's reunion with Roslin was touching.
How's this for interesting?
(From Roslin flashback)
Adama: ...and I saw Scar. The Cylon had saved my life, and I had done it no service.
So who's he talking about - Roslin, or Kara Thrace?
That was interesting. I bet it has to do with Kara and what happened to her after the events in "Maelstrom".
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Except his wife and kids, who died during the attacks on the Colonies. He left them behind to get back on the shuttle that took him to safety -- his big conflict last episode.
Except he could be lying. There's no way to know, unless I've missed someone who vouches for his family.
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Baltar talking to the Centurion seemed like a pretty stupid thing for Baltar to do. I don't see why it was in there, except to give credence to the thing Elosha said about how you have to look harder for the people who seem like they are the least deserving of being living. Not that I don't see him trying something like that, it just seemed like it was just too obvious that it would work out badly to provoke the Centurions into rebelling during the battle with the Hub.
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But...they didn't! There was no
rebellion.
Also, Adama mentioned Scar!? That's actually really cool. Are you sure he said Scar?
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Baltar talking to the Centurion like that actually made a bizarre sort of sense to me. He was trying to change everything for the Centurion on a rather fundemental level. In the background we have a battle where the rogue Cylons are trying to change everything for all the Cylons on a rather fundemental level. It was the same thing; different tools and different scales, but the same thing.
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Baltar talking to the Centurion like that actually made a bizarre sort of sense to me. He was trying to change everything for the Centurion on a rather fundemental level. In the background we have a battle where the rogue Cylons are trying to change everything for all the Cylons on a rather fundemental level. It was the same thing; different tools and different scales, but the same thing.
Yeah I think thats right on the money. The scales are different but whats happening is actually thematically similar and thats why the juxtaposition is used in such a way.
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So, Raiders can't resurrect any more either...
Wonder what that means for the future of Cylon tactics?
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I have a question...
Whats stopping the Cylons from building another resurrection hub and whats wrong with all of the resurrection ships now? If they were smart at hacking networks you'd think they would be good at building networks and not having single points of failure. The hub is definitely one such thing. Maybe they were a little overconfident with the security of the hub...arrogant even...so maybe the idea is that they are just as flawed as their creators.
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They probably can, but it might be really prohibitive in time and resources. It's been suggested this season that resurrection ships are just servers for the central hub -- they may have the gear necessary to do signals collection and some part of the resurrection process, but not all the necessary equipment to run everything autonomously, or even in a network.
So they could do it -- it'd probably just take forever.
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Are we supposed to be to Earth this fast?
That was so awesome. I know I saw Earth in that preview but why no fifth cylon? Unless, the fifth is on the basestar. Hmmm it's going to be great episode! :)
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This whole civil war thing makes me wonder if the cylon fleet we see is just an expeditionary force to track down galactica and maybe do some exploration, or is that everything they have?
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Whats stopping the Cylons from building another resurrection hub and whats wrong with all of the resurrection ships now? If they were smart at hacking networks you'd think they would be good at building networks and not having single points of failure. The hub is definitely one such thing. Maybe they were a little overconfident with the security of the hub...arrogant even...so maybe the idea is that they are just as flawed as their creators.
I actually conjecture that it's a calibration type thing; The people who can download need to be made after the hub is made, otherwise they won't sync or whatnot! Well, I actually have no basis for that statement except the conjecture that things are always 100x more complicated than they seem.
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That's fairly clever, thesizzler. I like it.
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Info for next episode: * This episode is the mid-season cliffhanger for the first ten episodes of Season 4. The "conclusion" to the cliffhanger, "Sometimes a Great Notion", will not air until 2009.
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Info for next episode: * This episode is the mid-season cliffhanger for the first ten episodes of Season 4. The "conclusion" to the cliffhanger, "Sometimes a Great Notion", will not air until 2009.
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Yeah I felt really sad when Axem told me yesterday as well. :(
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I actually conjecture that it's a calibration type thing; The people who can download need to be made after the hub is made, otherwise they won't sync or whatnot! Well, I actually have no basis for that statement except the conjecture that things are always 100x more complicated than they seem.
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I suspect the Hub has something to do with the group consciousness of the Cylons, ie the hub servers to store the memories of Cylons, while the Resurrection Ship serves simply to resurrect the body and copy the data over from the hub. Resurrection ships may have no ability to store memories to prevent iced Cylons from resurrecting - the mental essence would instead get sent to the hub and the iced Cylon wouldn't resurrect, allowing for centralized control over the Resurrection process and (theoretically) preventing rebellion.
What's interesting to me about the Hub is that it's relatively new - it's obviously of more recent Cylon design than the hybrid ship - and it also seems to imply that the Cylons are actually a space-based race. Otherwise you would expect that the Hub would be located on a planet simply because it was built there first.
What's also interesting is that it didn't have a backup FTL drive in that other little spire thing. One would think that the Cylons would, at some point, realize the value of backups on their backup ship. They didn't have one on the Resurrection ship either, and none of the Colonial ships appear to have one. Makes me wonder if the FTL drives cause some kind of interference or has immense standby power requirements that prevent them from being installed on a ship that already has one.
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I had the good fortune to be aware of the divided season a long time ago.
On the plus side, the delay means they've had a really long while to rewrite and rework the final ten episodes (they said this was what they'd spent most of the writer's strike doing.)
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QFT
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I think that sums it up pretty well.
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Christ, that was just a complete mindfrack, all the way through. :eek2:
Obligatory spoilers and personal thoughts:
I totally loved the first half of the episode. The chaos only grew more intense as the final cylons inevitably either came forward or were revealed, while the conflict between D'anna and Lee threatened to spell the end of humanity. Meanwhile Adama suffers nervous breakdown upon learning that Tigh is one of the Cylons, and Kara discovers that somehow her viper is recieving a signal that leads directly to Earth or some such. It was all very exciting up to the point that everyone was made aware of this signal, and suddenly all of the tension that had built up just collapsed and suddenly everyone's all "Zomg, now we can get to Earth, let's all hold hands and sing." It just felt like a huge let down. Instead of finally getting to Earth in some epic mindblowing fashion, it just felt utterly cheesy. With only 5 minutes left of the episode I knew there had to be something more to it as they all landed on Earth. Sure enough everyone gets out and walks around with the realization that Earth is completely wasted. Wow.
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The reason that the 'hold hands and get along' twist wasn't a total letdown was because it revealed something important in a single line of dialogue: "someone or something wants us [Human and Cylon] to go to Earth together."
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holy **** my plan succeeds! :D
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I was kinda disappointed. It felt rushed after all the episodes - kind of like "We're going to have this big 6-month gap here, we need to tie everything up nicely but still have something there to keep people watching." I dunno, maybe I've seen BSG enough to just recognize the pattern. I didn't feel any real drama - just a sense of frustration at D'anna for trying to get everybody killed by being impatient. Of course it did work to her advantage to try and force the Cylons out into the open as such, which was the point, and I suppose the overarching larger theme of the episode, but it did feel like a gimmick to get things cleaned up so fast and get them to earth by the end of the episode, with just enough time for a twist.
Was that real-world wreckage in the background, or something by the BSG team? Might be interesting if you could date that. For some reason, it looked to me like they were hanging out at San Francisco...
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Ending music was good though. And I love D'Anna's expression when they get to earth.
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Was that real-world wreckage in the background, or something by the BSG team? Might be interesting if you could date that. For some reason, it looked to me like they were hanging out at San Francisco...
I think it was Manhattan. Note carefully the remains of the bridge.
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I'd say they hit Earth either in an alternate timeline from our own (possible) or sometime in the future after a natural disaster or apocalyptic war.
Looking at the wreckage, I'm kind of wondering if its the future result of global weather gone awry.
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As long as the solution doesn't involve flying motorbikes designed by the Milky-Bar kid, I'm happy.
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Wow...everyone...and I mean everyone looks so displeased in that last scene. Wow.
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We should've all seen this coming. Galactica is all about the dark side of human nature. They wouldn't pass up the chance to show us -- real, Earthborn us -- destroying ourselves. It's a powerful and grim warning, so of course the writing team jumped all over it.
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I'd say they hit Earth either in an alternate timeline from our own (possible) or sometime in the future after a natural disaster or apocalyptic war.
Looking at the wreckage, I'm kind of wondering if its the future result of global weather gone awry.
Wasn't that a radiation device? Apocalyptic war kinda fits the theme it's happened before and it will all happen again.
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I hope this is another "fake Earth" like TOS had. Seriously, is it that hard for a show to have a quality happy ending? I mean sure, we've got a half season left over, but come on.
Regardless, I predict that the rest of the series will go downhill. And honestly, that symbol of "omg earth people kill themselves becausee of nuclear war!!" is so ****ing old it's not even funny. Not only is it not that neat of a device to begin with, but it's a massive cliche in series like these. All in all, this episode was awesome up until they got to Earth. Then it sucked.
What makes me even angrier is that I pretty much excpected something like this to happen.
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Seems like every single absolutely amazing episode they make they have to add something in with about 2 minutes left of the episode to make it suck.
EDIT: Upon further reflection, I guess I overreacted to the ending. It didn't suck, par-se, but it certainly did piss me off. Was it in a good sort of way? I'll have to wait 6 months to know, so no, it's in the worst way possible.
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I'd say they hit Earth either in an alternate timeline from our own (possible) or sometime in the future after a natural disaster or apocalyptic war.
Looking at the wreckage, I'm kind of wondering if its the future result of global weather gone awry.
Apparently there are very high levels of radiation as well, so it looks like war. That said, I think the 'full circle' idea is probably closest, from Earth we came, to Earth we return, we repeat the cycle of humanity until someone (presumably the final five) break that cycle. There's still the mystery of the source of the Cylon plague thing that originated with the 13th Tribe though, was that accidental or some kind of weapon? If it was a weapon, it was designed to hit Cylons, which raises a hundred more questions.
I hope this is another "fake Earth" like TOS had. Seriously, is it that hard for a show to have a quality happy ending? I mean sure, we've got a half season left over, but come on.
Regardless, I predict that the rest of the series will go downhill. And honestly, that symbol of "omg earth people kill themselves becausee of nuclear war!!" is so ****ing old it's not even funny. Not only is it not that neat of a device to begin with, but it's a massive cliche in series like these. All in all, this episode was awesome up until they got to Earth. Then it sucked.
What makes me even angrier is that I pretty much excpected something like this to happen.
:blah:
Seems like every single absolutely amazing episode they make they have to add something in with about 2 minutes left of the episode to make it suck.
Personally, I'm wondering if there is not a more Asimovian answer to the problem, i.e. Just because humans aren't on Earth any more (at least this part), that doesn't mean they aren't somewhere in the Solar neighbourhood
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Wow...everyone...and I mean everyone looks so displeased in that last scene. Wow.
It's like going to your best friend's birthday party after a long day at work, only to find that everybody killed each other over the Pinata.
And yes, there was a Pinata.
Personally, I'm wondering if there is not a more Asimovian answer to the problem, i.e. Just because humans aren't on Earth any more (at least this part), that doesn't mean they aren't somewhere in the Solar neighbourhood
That's what I'm thinking. Also, they didn't find the source of the transponder beacon in this episode. Also, the Final Five can't be from earth if it's a radioactive wasteland. Also, if Kara Thrace has been to earth, how did she not notice it's a radioactive wasteland?
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I think this is fairly spoiler free:
Tigh should be given the biggest medal they have.
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Sidenote of personal interest: so they really are running EVE Online commericals. :P
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Sidenote of personal interest: so they really are running EVE Online commericals. :P
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I think this is fairly spoiler free:
Tigh should be given the biggest medal they have.
Yeah.
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Aren't the rest of the Cylons still out for blood?
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What gets me is how colorful and nice the planet looks from space. You'd think that the landscape would be a bit grayer with less colour, the clouds would all be darker because of pollution, and the water would be less of a bright blue. And then there was the sky during the ships' desencion from space. It was all nice and blue with puffy clouds, yet when they land, it's overcast and a lot greyer.
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Winter does that sizzler. It gets all gray and cold and such.
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That's what I'm thinking. Also, they didn't find the source of the transponder beacon in this episode. Also, the Final Five can't be from earth if it's a radioactive wasteland. Also, if Kara Thrace has been to earth, how did she not notice it's a radioactive wasteland?
Actually they could have left Earth because it became radioactive wasteland. The ruins didn't look older than some decades... well, the stone structures could have been of any age from 5000 to 50 years, but the bent steel structures and the ruins of the city in horizon definitely looked rather recent, relatively speaking, so it isn't inconceivable... Same with radioactivity - the most active stuff would have decayed in few decades, leaving the materials with lower activity and thus longer half-times, thus enabling the Colonials to walk around without any specific radiation protection gear, but most likely trying to cultivate the land would lead to serious internal exposure to alpha- and beta-active materials.
That's just speculation obviously. :nervous:
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We're all assuming nuclear apocalypse here, too, but it doesn't need to have been nuclear. Berlin looked like that after WWII. So did a lot of other European cities.
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Adama did pick up the soil and the geiger counter was going pretty steadily there. There was high levels of radiation in the topsoil. That means nuclear badness of some kind. Accidental or otherwise.
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A conventional war and Three Mile Island. :P
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Title changed, **** spoiler tags. Let's get some clean, open discussion going here without having to highlight every second post. :nervous:
Great episode. Great. Fantastic, even. Of all the ways they could have gone, Earth having been devastated by nuclear war is definitely solid. It may have been an unbelievably dark ending, but after all the Fleet has been through, after all the characters have been through over the past three years, that little moment of happiness right after they jumped into Earth orbit made up for it all. It was just really nice to see everyone, everyone, happy.
Yeah, for some reason I was getting a San Francisco vibe, too. Not entirely sure why.
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As long as the ending doesn't end up too 'Foundation and Earth', where the 5th is some kind of Daneel Olivaw character who has manipulated everyone back to Earth to save the galaxy or the like...
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Wow...everyone...and I mean everyone looks so displeased in that last scene. Wow.
Why shouldn't they be displeased, they just ended up trading one nuked out hell hole for another. It's a big question what they are going to do now, either settle on Earth in places were the radiation isn't dangerous or find somewhere else.
As long as the solution doesn't involve flying motorbikes designed by the Milky-Bar kid, I'm happy
Indeed, even by the standards of the original, BSG 1980 was unbelievable cheesy and campy/bad. I think arriving at Earth after World War 3 was probably the best choice for the writers.
Nuclear Winter does that sizzler. It gets all gray and cold and such.
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Winter does that sizzler. It gets all gray and cold and such.
Nuclear winter does do that, but generally if it's overcast then there aren't cumulonimbus clouds for the ships to fly through as they are descending from space.
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Nuclear Winter does that sizzler. It gets all gray and cold and such.
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I suspect you've never endured winter in New England.
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I think arriving at Earth after World War 3 was probably the best choice for the writers.
/me Star Trek: First Contact theme is faintly heard
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Wow...everyone...and I mean everyone looks so displeased in that last scene. Wow.
Why shouldn't they be displeased, they just ended up trading one nuked out hell hole for another. It's a big question what they are going to do now, either settle on Earth in places were the radiation isn't dangerous or find somewhere else.
Well...yeah...obviously. That wasn't what I was getting at.
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As long as the ending doesn't end up too 'Foundation and Earth', where the 5th is some kind of Daneel Olivaw character who has manipulated everyone back to Earth to save the galaxy or the like...
You missed it. Four of the final five were in the Colonial fleet. The reason Deanna didn't ask for the fifth was because it was already on her base ship and didn't necessarily know it. At least, that's my shaky guess.
Of the main characters, that includes: Roslin, Baltar, Helo, and IIRC Racetrack. Adama seems unlikely as he was allowed to leave with Deanna. The only problem is that the fifth didn't get activated in the nebula, which seems to bring out some sort of special significance of the last Cylon.
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If she has the 5th, why not out him or her? What's the point in keeping it secret if the possibility exists they could go back to Galactica?
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Nuclear Winter does that sizzler. It gets all gray and cold and such.
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I suspect you've never endured winter in New England.
I live in upstate NY. So yeah, I meant ACTUAL winter.
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I live in upstate NY. So yeah, I meant ACTUAL winter.
I live in Edmonton, Alberta. You have no idea what actual winter is :P
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Nice thing about Colorado is that we don't get any ice...
just lots and lots of snow.
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Meh. I live in San Francisco where the worst we get is a little frost.
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ITT: We argue over who has the worst winter weather. :lol:
Winter does that sizzler. It gets all gray and cold and such.
Nuclear winter does do that, but generally if it's overcast then there aren't cumulonimbus clouds for the ships to fly through as they are descending from space.
Who say's they were cumulonimbus? I didn't see any rain coming out of 'em...
Nitpicking aside, from orbit we saw landmass mostly covered by big cloud decks, so why the heck not have it be overcast when they land? And if you look at an orbital view of earth in general it's mostly cloud-covered so this shouldn't come as a surprise. We also don't know exactly how much time has gone by since the nuclear catastrophe so the weather patterns might have had time to adjust. I agree with you that I'd imagine the general color pallete of earth from orbit to be different though, maybe not so much in clouds or ocean but at least land and vegetation and such.
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Maybe the 5th WAS activated but is in no position to make people aware of the fact? No-one said that they all had to be adults, after all?
Edit: 3's visions depict an adult, but the thing about 'visions' is that they cannot be trusted 100%.
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Of the main characters, that includes: Roslin, Baltar, Helo, and IIRC Racetrack. Adama seems unlikely as he was allowed to leave with Deanna. The only problem is that the fifth didn't get activated in the nebula, which seems to bring out some sort of special significance of the last Cylon.
It's probably Baltar. The whole buildup in the show has been pointing at Rosalyn or Adama and diverting attention away from Gaius so in the end it's probably just Gaius anyway. It wouldn't be Helo, that would invalidate his entire role which as being the father of the first human/cylon lovechild. If it's Adama, what happens, Rosalyn loses it. Cries for a while. If it's Rosalyn, Adam loses it, and never comes back this time because the only person who brought him back from the Tigh revelation was rosalyn. So it's probably Baltar in the end afterall. Like he said "I could sense you were a cylon" to the bad-chick. Torie or whatever her name is. Or how Deanna basically listens to him at the end . . . there's a lot of stuff that's subtle but which kinda hints that maybe he is.
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You know, who says we nuked ourselves? Maybe somthing else did... :nervous:
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Cyclons nuked the 13th tribe as well?
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Well, I haven't been following the series microscopically, but take the plague in the Nebula, was that a weapon of some sort? Was it supposed to be protection to make sure that only humans would survive finding the beacon?
If it was deliberately designed to kill cylons, but not harm humans, then (a) Baltar is human and (b) the 13th tribe knew about Cylons.
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Well, I haven't been following the series microscopically, but take the plague in the Nebula, was that a weapon of some sort? Was it supposed to be protection to make sure that only humans would survive finding the beacon?
If it was deliberately designed to kill cylons, but not harm humans, then (a) Baltar is human and (b) the 13th tribe knew about Cylons.
Nope, it was an accident.
When the beacon was first placed in the nebula by the 13th Tribe, someone coughed on it. Seriously. Humans had long since become resistant to that particular illness, but the Cylons had never encountered it before. It wasn't engineered, it wasn't a weapon, it was just a case OSHA dropping the ball.
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Why did I just hear Richard Burtons voice saying 'No-one would have believed in the latter half of the nineteenth century...'
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I feel quite cultured for having got that reference. :)
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Well, I haven't been following the series microscopically, but take the plague in the Nebula, was that a weapon of some sort? Was it supposed to be protection to make sure that only humans would survive finding the beacon?
If it was deliberately designed to kill cylons, but not harm humans, then (a) Baltar is human and (b) the 13th tribe knew about Cylons.
It was, as the other guy said, just an accident. Some ancient cold which disappeared around the same time as the 13th tribe, validating their possible existence.
I've not seen the episode since it's aired, but if I were to guess I'd say that Tigh probably came into contact with the infected cylons at some point. And he didn't get sick. Maybe when I pick up ep3 DVDs I'll check it out to see if he did or not. Of the four he's the only one likely to have done so.
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I checked BattlestarWiki. Under the "A Measure of Salvation" entry, it says:
This is the first episode in which Saul Tigh does not appear, more than likely due to his promise to William Adama at the end of "Torn" after Adama's confrontation with both Tigh and Kara Thrace.
Pretty sure that neither Tyrol nor Anders had any contact with the prisoners. Tory may have been with Roslin at the time.
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I agree with you that I'd imagine the general color pallete of earth from orbit to be different though, maybe not so much in clouds or ocean but at least land and vegetation and such.
That's pretty much the essence of what I was originally getting at. :)
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How about... The fifth cylon is one of the survivors of the nuclear ammegradon on earth, and is the one broadcasting the signal in the first place?
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Hasn't the final fifth been in the fleet from season 1?
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D'Anna said that only 4 were (at that moment) in the fleet, though she didn't specify, to my knowledge, if the 5th was ever a member of the fleet or not.
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The tattooed pilot is the 5th.
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The tattooed pilot is the 5th.
Not Tiny!!
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D'Anna said that only 4 were (at that moment) in the fleet, though she didn't specify, to my knowledge, if the 5th was ever a member of the fleet or not.
No, like I mean RDM said so...
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RDM, like aldo, says many things.
Some of them are even true.
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I think D'anna's statement is probably accurate, but D'anna is also an unreliable source - she's stated a fairly convincing motive to keep knowledge of the five to herself. If she revealed them all, they could simply kill D'anna and be done with it. So long as the fifth is unrevealed, D'anna is the only one who (presumably) knows who the fifth is - even the fifth themselves may not know.
Plus, this means that there could still be one Cylon aboard the Galactica. Had D'anna said there were five Cylons and they only came up with four names, it could've significantly changed things. Lee's apparent bargaining position would be weaker.
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There's only a few people the 5th could be without it being a major anti-climax: Adm. Adama, Prez Rosiln, Starbuck, Apollo, or Baltar. Nobody else is major enough for it to have a sufficient "wow" factor.
My money's on Roslin. ;)
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I can't help thinking this has something to do with the revelation that the final 5 can apparently age, since Tigh grew up and spent many years alongside Adama, who fought in the first Cylon War, this means that the Final 5 have been around for at least 50ish years, or that the 'real' Tigh is dead, or that the final 5 are not Cylons at all...
If they can age, then who is to say they are all adults?
Edit: It also provides a (tenuous) link with the whole 'Ship of Light' thing from the original series.
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Notice how much of what the hybrid said didn't actually happen. Oh, a dying leader will learn the secret of the opera house. Opera house? What was the secret? There was nothing revealed. And Kara thrace is teh harbringer of doom, but so what? Has she lead them to their doom yet? No one's dead. Infact, Rosalin isn't supposed to reach the promised land, so we know Earth isn't it.
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Notice how much of what the hybrid said didn't actually happen. Oh, a dying leader will learn the secret of the opera house. Opera house? What was the secret? There was nothing revealed. And Kara thrace is teh harbringer of doom, but so what? Has she lead them to their doom yet? No one's dead. Infact, Rosalin isn't supposed to reach the promised land, so we know Earth isn't it.
Hasn't happened yet. Remember, the next episode was meant to be aired a week after this one, not half a year.
I'm guessing Roslin will be learning the secret of the Opera House pretty soon, in show time.
Kara Thrace was the harbinger of death...and, lo and behold, the Cylons are now all mortal. You could make an argument that she was the harbinger of Cylon death.
The hybrid's statements have, so far, been unerringly accurate.
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Unless the hybrid's just really, really good at cold-reading.
Hybrid: "Kara Thrace is the harbinger of...I'm seeing something starting with a consonant...a D...dirt? Diapers? Drool? Destitution? Death?"
Kara: "How the FRAK did you know that?"
Hybrid: "Uhh..err...JUMP!"
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Kara Thrace was the harbinger of death...and, lo and behold, the Cylons are now all mortal. You could make an argument that she was the harbinger of Cylon death.
That would be a pretty weak argument considering she wasn't at the battle, nor was it her suggestion to even attack the base in the first place. She didn't lead the cylons to their deaths, she lead them to the fleet where the 6 proposed the assault. Without the 6 the attack would have never happened.
Thing I don't get is that everyone else at the hybrid heard everything she said, but no one seems to care about the "you're the harbringer of death" bit, not even Kara except at the moment in question.
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The Hybrid which said that was the one in Razor, yes? It only said it to one person, who died.
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That would be a pretty weak argument considering she wasn't at the battle, nor was it her suggestion to even attack the base in the first place. She didn't lead the cylons to their deaths, she lead them to the fleet where the 6 proposed the assault. Without the 6 the attack would have never happened.
Thing I don't get is that everyone else at the hybrid heard everything she said, but no one seems to care about the "you're the harbringer of death" bit, not even Kara except at the moment in question.
She was a harbinger. Harbinger. A premonition of sorts; someone who sets events in motion.
And she did just that: recovered the rebel Cylon base ship, united it with the Colonial fleet, and enabled the attack on the Hub. All following her vision.
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It's too minor for it to fit. There's not enough of a direct connection between Kara Thrace and the destruction of the Hub. Unless something really weird is going on with the writing, you'll know beyond a doubt when Kara Thrace is fulfilling her "Harbinger of Death" role.
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Watch Razor, the hybrid specifically says that if humanity follows Kara Thrace they will die.
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It's too minor for it to fit. There's not enough of a direct connection between Kara Thrace and the destruction of the Hub. Unless something really weird is going on with the writing, you'll know beyond a doubt when Kara Thrace is fulfilling her "Harbinger of Death" role.
Hear, hear!
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Hmm, mayybe. I do hope you're right -- cataclysmic events are what Battlestar does best.
I guess we'll see!
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Watch Razor, the hybrid specifically says that if humanity follows Kara Thrace they will die.
No, he doesn't. he said that she would lead her people to the acopalypse. Which she did, only she arrived a bit late.
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They threw Armageddon, but the Colonials didn't come. :P
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They threw Armageddon, but the Colonials didn't come. :P
Fashionably late :)
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Watch Razor, the hybrid specifically says that if humanity follows Kara Thrace they will die.
No, he doesn't. he said that she would lead her people to the acopalypse. Which she did, only she arrived a bit late.
Hybrid: Then come up closer. There's something I have to tell you. Come. (Grabs her arm.) Kara Thrace will lead the human race to its end.
Shaw: What?
Hybrid: She is the herald of the apocalypse. The harbinger of death. They must not follow her.
That contextually sounds like a warning.