[Davros]

I hope they reach earth + earth says "piss off"

[General Battuta]

Does anybody disagree that Roslin's the fifth cylon? 

Yes.

The preview was clearly shot that way to trick the viewer.

[WMCoolmon]

I don't really care...speculation has proven pointless at this point, it's obvious that there's no foreshadowing needed for somebody to become a Cylon...

It was fun in the first season and a half, but once they started deviating from the original plotline (or at least it felt like it) and people became Cylons willy-nilly, the Cylon chase became more a measure of intentional, obvious suspense to me...especially when characters themselves started using the term "Final Five". Very catchy, but what's so "final" about the five to other Cylons? They've known who they ("Significant Seven") are all along.

Anyway, the final Cylon stuff just annoys me because it's obviously a dangling plot thread that's there just to create suspense and push the story along so there's some bit of unknown there. Not to put anyone else off of it.

[Mefustae]

Admiral Tigh. Sort of has a ring to it.

[jdjtcagle]

Admiral Tigh. Sort of has a ring to it.

Is it temporary? or Pernament?

[Polpolion]

Admiral Tigh. Sort of has a ring to it.

Is it temporary? or Pernament?

I certainly hope it's temporary.

[General Battuta]

I don't really care...speculation has proven pointless at this point, it's obvious that there's no foreshadowing needed for somebody to become a Cylon...

It was fun in the first season and a half, but once they started deviating from the original plotline (or at least it felt like it) and people became Cylons willy-nilly, the Cylon chase became more a measure of intentional, obvious suspense to me...especially when characters themselves started using the term "Final Five". Very catchy, but what's so "final" about the five to other Cylons? They've known who they ("Significant Seven") are all along.

Anyway, the final Cylon stuff just annoys me because it's obviously a dangling plot thread that's there just to create suspense and push the story along so there's some bit of unknown there. Not to put anyone else off of it.

Ah, but the Five are from Earth and know the way there.

[IceFire]

Does anybody disagree that Roslin's the fifth cylon? 

I'm not convinced...she might be.  But then that'd be obvious.

[Blue Lion]

Romo Lampkin is the 5th.

[General Battuta]

This isn't actually a spoiler, it doesn't give anything away, and it's just my opinion, but it does draw on some evidence from outside the show, so --

Spoiler:

I don't think it's Lampkin...all the evidence is they brought him back because the fans loved him, not because he was plotted to be the Final Dude. And they have been pretty clear that they know who the final Cylon is.

If I'm bringing in too much extra-show evidence, please tell me and I'll be quiet.

[Blue Lion]

Well you don't know the timeline. They could have decided he was a favorite and then thought "Hey, perfect 5th"

If I remember correctly everyone related to him died long before the war.

[blowfish]

Wow.  Tonight's episode was just ... wow

Spoiler:

So the rez hub got nuked, 3 is back, blah blah blah.  And one other thing.  About 3 telling Laura she was a cylon (like in the preview) ... I can't believe the writers would play a prank like that on us ... almost believed it for a sec ...

[General Battuta]

Well you don't know the timeline. They could have decided he was a favorite and then thought "Hey, perfect 5th"

If I remember correctly everyone related to him died long before the war.

Except his wife and kids, who died during the attacks on the Colonies. He left them behind to get back on the shuttle that took him to safety -- his big conflict last episode.

Wow.  Tonight's episode was just ... wow

Spoiler:

So the rez hub got nuked, 3 is back, blah blah blah.  And one other thing.  About 3 telling Laura she was a cylon (like in the preview) ... I can't believe the writers would play a prank like that on us ... almost believed it for a sec ...

I hate to say it, but...I didn't really like it. Something in the writing and the acting didn't click. Dilemmas that should've felt real and hard came across as contrived, tired, familiar. (Helo and Sharon face a crisis of conscience, again...and even Mary McDonnell, Roslin, couldn't make much of her lines surrounding Baltar.)

The effects were pretty, but the battle was disjointed and kind of ineffective (especially when compared to, say, Resurrection Ship Part 2.) Even the score seemed half-hearted.

I expected a lot more tension and drama surrounding the events on the rebel base star. Instead, everything went pretty smoothly right up to the attack. The Centurion attack on the humans that was foreshadowed two episodes ago, back in 'Guess What's Coming to Dinner', just didn't happen.

Lastly, Laura's visions didn't seem to do much except convince her she loved Bill, which she already seemed pretty okay with. Did we need another head-character? (That said, the most moving scene in the episode was Adama watching Roslin on the bed...oh, and it was interesting how she had a vision with every jump...)

I think part of the reason I came away so dissatisfied is that my expectations for the strike on the Hub were so high. I wanted it to be another Exodus or Resurrection Ship, but it didn't quite satisfy.

[WMCoolmon]

How's this for interesting?

Spoiler:

(From Roslin flashback)
Adama: ...and I saw Scar. The Cylon had saved my life, and I had done it no service.

So who's he talking about - Roslin, or Kara Thrace?

EDIT:

Spoiler:

Also, that lighting on Baltar when he's telling the dog story is pretty genius

[watsisname]

I hate to say it, but...I didn't really like it. Something in the writing and the acting didn't click. Dilemmas that should've felt real and hard came across as contrived, tired, familiar. (Helo and Sharon face a crisis of conscience, again...and even Mary McDonnell, Roslin, couldn't make much of her lines surrounding Baltar.)

Spoiler:

I agree with you on the bit with Laura and Baltar (though I thought the part with Baltar finally confessing his role in the cylon attack on the colonies was brilliant).  Baltar talking with the centurion was cute but a little annoying with its placement in the battle, cutting between the two just didn't seem to work with me.
Still, overall I found this to be a very good episode, one of my favorites for season 4.  I thought the whole episode was thoroughly enjoyable and it finally resolved a fair deal of storyline that has been laid out previously.  Granted there's still a LOT more yet to come.  Regarding some memorable moments, I laughed out loud when Balter tried to calm the hybrid, and when D'anna snapped Cavil's neck.  The attack on the hub was pretty awesome but I was hoping for a little more.  Roslin's visions were revealing... er, maybe not so much revealing but interesting anyways.  And of course, Adama's reunion with Roslin was touching.

How's this for interesting?

Spoiler:

(From Roslin flashback)
Adama: ...and I saw Scar. The Cylon had saved my life, and I had done it no service.

So who's he talking about - Roslin, or Kara Thrace?

That was interesting.  I bet it has to do with Kara and what happened to her after the events in "Maelstrom". 

[Blue Lion]

Except his wife and kids, who died during the attacks on the Colonies. He left them behind to get back on the shuttle that took him to safety -- his big conflict last episode.

Except he could be lying. There's no way to know, unless I've missed someone who vouches for his family.

[WMCoolmon]

Spoiler:

Baltar talking to the Centurion seemed like a pretty stupid thing for Baltar to do. I don't see why it was in there, except to give credence to the thing Elosha said about how you have to look harder for the people who seem like they are the least deserving of being living. Not that I don't see him trying something like that, it just seemed like it was just too obvious that it would work out badly to provoke the Centurions into rebelling during the battle with the Hub.

[General Battuta]

But...they didn't! There was no

Spoiler:

rebellion.

Also, Adama mentioned Scar!? That's actually really cool. Are you sure he said Scar?

[NGTM-1R]

Spoiler:

Baltar talking to the Centurion like that actually made a bizarre sort of sense to me. He was trying to change everything for the Centurion on a rather fundemental level. In the background we have a battle where the rogue Cylons are trying to change everything for all the Cylons on a rather fundemental level. It was the same thing; different tools and different scales, but the same thing.

[IceFire]

Spoiler:

Baltar talking to the Centurion like that actually made a bizarre sort of sense to me. He was trying to change everything for the Centurion on a rather fundemental level. In the background we have a battle where the rogue Cylons are trying to change everything for all the Cylons on a rather fundemental level. It was the same thing; different tools and different scales, but the same thing.

Yeah I think thats right on the money.  The scales are different but whats happening is actually thematically similar and thats why the juxtaposition is used in such a way.