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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Snail on April 09, 2008, 02:13:20 pm

Title: Arithmeticus et Pronounciationus
Post by: Snail on April 09, 2008, 02:13:20 pm: Because it sounds badass

a=b
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Jeff Vader on April 09, 2008, 02:17:23 pm: Street credibility

a = b
a² = ab
a² - b² = ab - b²
(a + b)(a -b) = b(a -b)
a + b = b
a + a = a
2a = a
2 = 1

Touché.
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Snail on April 09, 2008, 02:21:08 pm: 2 + 2 = 3?
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: redsniper on April 09, 2008, 03:00:26 pm: Quote from: Lobo on April 09, 2008, 02:17:23 pm
(a + b)(a -b) = b(a -b)
a + b = b

(a - b) = 0

can't divide by 0

Threeché.
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Snail on April 09, 2008, 03:02:08 pm: Quote from: Snail on April 09, 2008, 02:21:08 pm
2 + 2 = 3?

Wait, so if 2+2=3, then theoretically, if you bought two copies of FreeSpace 2 you'd get FreeSpace 3?
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Jeff Vader on April 09, 2008, 03:07:54 pm: Quote from: redsniper on April 09, 2008, 03:00:26 pm
Quote from: Lobo on April 09, 2008, 02:17:23 pm
(a + b)(a -b) = b(a -b)
a + b = b

(a - b) = 0

can't divide by 0

Threeché.
I know. But I'm not done yet (http://koti.mbnet.fi/reiler/oikeaamatikkaa.jpg). [Insert intimidating French word here]

Quote from: Snail on April 09, 2008, 03:02:08 pm
Quote from: Snail on April 09, 2008, 02:21:08 pm
2 + 2 = 3?

Wait, so if 2+2=3, then theoretically, if you bought two copies of FreeSpace 2 you'd get FreeSpace 3?
Sounds evil. If we have 2,2 and 3, and you multiply the 2's with 3 and the 3 with 2, you get 666. Mmm...
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Herra Tohtori on April 09, 2008, 07:03:00 pm: Well... in a field

F(0,1); 0 != 1

0+0=0
0+1=1
1+0=1
1+1=0

...in Language, in a field that only consists of two elements, "one" and "zero" -elements), the field axioms show the resulting stuff.

Of course, in this field you can't set the elements into an order of magnitude. You can't say which is greater, or "which follows which" in this field, but that's of no consequence. :p
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on April 10, 2008, 09:57:50 am: There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't :p
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Admiral_Stones on April 10, 2008, 10:07:23 am: It's always funny how you americans pronounce 'touché'. It sounds very wrong in the ears of a francophone.
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on April 10, 2008, 11:42:24 am: Quote from: Admiral_Stones on April 10, 2008, 10:07:23 am
It's always funny how you americans pronounce 'touché'. It sounds very wrong in the ears of a francophone.
QFT. But it's funny to hear francophones desperately trying to speak English, too.
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: BengalTiger on April 10, 2008, 11:53:46 am: Quote from: FreeSpaceFreak on April 10, 2008, 09:57:50 am
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't :p

Those are the first 11 types.
Type 10 is those who know Gray Code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_code)
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on April 10, 2008, 01:36:08 pm: Quote from: BengalTiger on April 10, 2008, 11:53:46 am
Quote from: FreeSpaceFreak on April 10, 2008, 09:57:50 am
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't :p

Those are the first 11 types.
Type 10 is those who know Gray Code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_code)
:wtf: 01001001011100110110111000100111011101000010000001101001011101 00001000000111010001101000011001010010000001101111011101000110 10000110010101110010001000000111011101100001011110010010000001 100001011100100110111101110101011011100110010000111111 :ha:
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Jeff Vader on April 10, 2008, 02:11:27 pm: There are 3 kinds of people in the world. Those who can do math, and those who can't.
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Mobius on April 10, 2008, 02:29:28 pm: Quote from: Admiral_Stones on April 10, 2008, 10:07:23 am
It's always funny how you americans pronounce 'touché'. It sounds very wrong in the ears of a francophone.

Wrong. I perfectly know how to spell it :P
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Admiral_Stones on April 10, 2008, 02:32:19 pm: I don't get it.
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Mobius on April 10, 2008, 02:36:21 pm: :wtf:

I spell it like a French.
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Snail on April 10, 2008, 02:38:26 pm: Quote from: Mobius on April 10, 2008, 02:36:21 pm
I spell it like a French.
You say it as if "French" is a colloquial insult. :D
(as in, "I spell it like a spaz")
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Mobius on April 10, 2008, 02:45:29 pm: People who speak French told me how to pronounce it correctly.

I don't see the problem...
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Admiral_Stones on April 10, 2008, 02:53:58 pm: Hmm. I meant that it is funny listening to Americans speaking French words, like 'touché' for example. But yes, you did spell it right.
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Snail on April 10, 2008, 02:57:52 pm: How do americans pronounce it, and how are you supposed to pronounce it?
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Dark Hunter on April 10, 2008, 03:00:14 pm: I've always heard it pronounced "too-shay", and that is how I pronounce it.
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Mobius on April 10, 2008, 03:01:56 pm: An Italian would write it "tuscé". I don't know how to represent the correct pronunciation with English words.
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Dark Hunter on April 10, 2008, 03:05:30 pm: Dictionary.com says:
Quote
tou·ché (tōō-shā') Pronunciation Key
interj. Used to acknowledge a hit in fencing or a successful criticism or an effective point in argument.

[French, from past participle of toucher, to hit or wound in fencing, from Old French touchier, to touch; see touch.]
Which I believe supports my pronounciation.
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Admiral_Stones on April 10, 2008, 03:09:52 pm: Meh. Not really. When I let my mac speak out your pronouncation it sounds a bit too heavy on the y and the too is too long and low. There's no real way to pronounce-write this in the English language.
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Snail on April 10, 2008, 03:10:54 pm: I've never understood those stupid pronunciation keys. Especially IPA and SAMPA charts. It's all Greek to me.
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Mobius on April 10, 2008, 03:16:53 pm: Same thing for me. I always go with stuff like "the same e of pet" and similar...
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Admiral_Stones on April 10, 2008, 03:24:37 pm: Well, for touché, it's about the same ou like in moo, only shorter.
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Mobius on April 10, 2008, 03:27:31 pm: The problem is "ché"...I don't really know how to write it...

It's something like "she" with the "e" of "pet"...but this is getting pathetic.
Title: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Zoltan on April 10, 2008, 03:30:37 pm: Quote from: Mobius on April 10, 2008, 03:27:31 pm
The problem is "ché"...I don't really know how to write it...

It's something like "she" with the "e" of "pet"...but this is getting pathetic.

Nope the "e" sounds like the "ay" in pay. Don't worry about it, the different vowel sounds make it impossible to represent with the original letters.
Title: Re: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: CP5670 on April 10, 2008, 03:42:21 pm: Time to split this thread.
Title: Re: Arithmeticus et Pronounciationus
Post by: Snail on April 10, 2008, 03:52:24 pm: Title Latinified.
Title: Re: Aritmetiikat vituillaan ja ranskalaista lausumista
Post by: Jeff Vader on April 10, 2008, 03:57:09 pm: Title Finnishified.

Back to the "original" topic, do we agree on the "Too-Shay", or is someone still arguing about it?
Title: Re: Aritmetica e Pronuncia
Post by: Mobius on April 10, 2008, 04:01:20 pm: Title Italianized.

Quote from: Zoltan on April 10, 2008, 03:30:37 pm
Quote from: Mobius on April 10, 2008, 03:27:31 pm
The problem is "ché"...I don't really know how to write it...

It's something like "she" with the "e" of "pet"...but this is getting pathetic.

Nope the "e" sounds like the "ay" in pay. Don't worry about it, the different vowel sounds make it impossible to represent with the original letters.

Then your way to pronounce "pet" is different from mine.
Title: Re: Aritmetica e Pronuncia
Post by: Zoltan on April 10, 2008, 04:12:56 pm: Quote from: Mobius on April 10, 2008, 04:01:20 pm
Title Italianized.

Quote from: Zoltan on April 10, 2008, 03:30:37 pm
Quote from: Mobius on April 10, 2008, 03:27:31 pm
The problem is "ché"...I don't really know how to write it...

It's something like "she" with the "e" of "pet"...but this is getting pathetic.

Nope the "e" sounds like the "ay" in pay. Don't worry about it, the different vowel sounds make it impossible to represent with the original letters.

Then your way to pronounce "pet" is different from mine.

Sorry, when I wrote "e" I meant "é". :nervous:
Title: Re: Arithmeticus et Pronounciationus
Post by: Mobius on April 10, 2008, 04:42:09 pm: That helps. A lot. :nervous:
Title: Re: Arithmeticus et Pronounciationus
Post by: Mika on April 10, 2008, 04:52:29 pm: Quote
QFT. But it's funny to hear francophones desperately trying to speak English, too.

[Insert trolling music here]
Too-shay
[/Insert trolling music here]

Forgive me, I'm posting under influence (again).

Mika
Title: Re: Aritmetiikkaa ja ranskaa - voittoisa yhdistelmä
Post by: Jeff Vader on April 10, 2008, 04:55:48 pm: Quote from: Zoltan on April 10, 2008, 04:12:56 pm
Sorry, when I wrote "e" I meant "é". :nervous:
I was wondering about that.

Quote from: Mika on April 10, 2008, 04:52:29 pm
Forgive me, I'm posting under influence (again).
Well, that makes two of us (perkeleen numeeristen menetelmien 2. VK lauantaina).
Title: Re: Aritmetica e Pronuncia, ormai fuori controllo!
Post by: Mobius on April 10, 2008, 04:58:21 pm: This is getting out of hand...
Title: Re: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Retsof on April 10, 2008, 05:07:16 pm: Quote from: FreeSpaceFreak on April 10, 2008, 01:36:08 pm
Quote from: BengalTiger on April 10, 2008, 11:53:46 am
Quote from: FreeSpaceFreak on April 10, 2008, 09:57:50 am
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't :p

Those are the first 11 types.
Type 10 is those who know Gray Code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_code)
:wtf: 01001001011100110110111000100111011101000010000001101001011101 00001000000111010001101000011001010010000001101111011101000110 10000110010101110010001000000111011101100001011110010010000001 100001011100100110111101110101011011100110010000111111 :ha:
Okay, did he actually say something?
Title: Re: Arithmeticus et Pronounciationus
Post by: Mika on April 10, 2008, 05:15:58 pm: Quote
This is getting out of hand...

You have no idea.

Quote
Well, that makes two of us (perkeleen numeeristen menetelmien 2. VK lauantaina).

Which is, unfortunately, actually something important. Though I understand occasional drinking before exams in the University. This time drinking was because of a reason, well, something not to be disclosed here!

Mika
Title: Re: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on April 11, 2008, 11:19:48 am: Quote from: Retsof on April 10, 2008, 05:07:16 pm
Quote from: FreeSpaceFreak on April 10, 2008, 01:36:08 pm
Quote from: BengalTiger on April 10, 2008, 11:53:46 am
Quote from: FreeSpaceFreak on April 10, 2008, 09:57:50 am
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't :p

Those are the first 11 types.
Type 10 is those who know Gray Code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_code)
:wtf: 01001001011100110110111000100111011101000010000001101001011101 00001000000111010001101000011001010010000001101111011101000110 10000110010101110010001000000111011101100001011110010010000001 100001011100100110111101110101011011100110010000111111 :ha:
Okay, did he actually say something?
Yes I did. Look for a binary converter on the internet.
Title: Re: Arithmeticus et Pronounciationus
Post by: Colonol Dekker on April 11, 2008, 11:24:14 am: I know your onto binary now but.............

(C+A)+T = ?

Spoiler:
CAT you foos.............

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Out tonight.!!
Title: Re: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Herra Tohtori on April 11, 2008, 12:08:35 pm: Quote from: FreeSpaceFreak on April 10, 2008, 01:36:08 pm
Quote from: BengalTiger on April 10, 2008, 11:53:46 am
Quote from: FreeSpaceFreak on April 10, 2008, 09:57:50 am
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't :p

Those are the first 11 types.
Type 10 is those who know Gray Code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_code)
:wtf: 01001001011100110110111000100111011101000010000001101001011101 00001000000111010001101000011001010010000001101111011101000110 10000110010101110010001000000111011101100001011110010010000001 100001011100100110111101110101011011100110010000111111 :ha:

Well... that depends.

You see, there are 10 types of people.

1. those that begin listing their array objects from 1, and

1. those that begin the array object listing with 0.

;7

In gray code, obviously 11 equals 2dec... so when there are 10bin objects (those who understand binary and those who don't). So saying that the third (Gray code 10 == 3dec) type is those who know Gray code is perfectly valid, arrays be damned.

4F 66 1 63 6F 75 72 73 65 2C 1 68 65 78 1 63 6F 64 65 1 69 73 1 65 76 65 6E 1 6D 6F 72 65 1 61 6E 6E 6F 79 69 6E 67 1 74 68 61 6E 1 62 69 6E 61 72 79 2E
Title: Re: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: Hellstryker on April 11, 2008, 12:18:57 pm: Quote from: Mobius on April 10, 2008, 03:27:31 pm
The problem is "ché"...I don't really know how to write it...

It's something like "she" with the "e" of "pet"...but this is getting pathetic.

You mean like chef w/o the f?
Title: Re: Arithmeticus et Pronounciationus
Post by: Mobius on April 11, 2008, 01:07:48 pm: Quote from: Hellstryker on April 11, 2008, 12:18:57 pm
Quote from: Mobius on April 10, 2008, 03:27:31 pm
The problem is "ché"...I don't really know how to write it...

It's something like "she" with the "e" of "pet"...but this is getting pathetic.

You mean like chef w/o the f?

Something really close to it.
Title: Re: Arithmeticus et Pronounciationus
Post by: MP-Ryan on April 11, 2008, 06:14:24 pm: Too-shey. The é is the same sound as the Canadian "eh", or the proper name of this letter: "A."

At least, that's how I've always been taught to pronounce it and I speak French (with an atrocious Western canadian accent mind you, but French nonetheless).
Title: Re: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on April 12, 2008, 12:31:49 am: Quote from: Herra Tohtori on April 11, 2008, 12:08:35 pm
Quote from: FreeSpaceFreak on April 10, 2008, 01:36:08 pm
Quote from: BengalTiger on April 10, 2008, 11:53:46 am
Quote from: FreeSpaceFreak on April 10, 2008, 09:57:50 am
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't :p

Those are the first 11 types.
Type 10 is those who know Gray Code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_code)
:wtf: 01001001011100110110111000100111011101000010000001101001011101 00001000000111010001101000011001010010000001101111011101000110 10000110010101110010001000000111011101100001011110010010000001 100001011100100110111101110101011011100110010000111111 :ha:

Well... that depends.

You see, there are 10 types of people.

1. those that begin listing their array objects from 1, and

1. those that begin the array object listing with 0.

;7

In gray code, obviously 11 equals 2dec... so when there are 10bin objects (those who understand binary and those who don't). So saying that the third (Gray code 10 == 3dec) type is those who know Gray code is perfectly valid, arrays be damned.

4F 66 1 63 6F 75 72 73 65 2C 1 68 65 78 1 63 6F 64 65 1 69 73 1 65 76 65 6E 1 6D 6F 72 65 1 61 6E 6E 6F 79 69 6E 67 1 74 68 61 6E 1 62 69 6E 61 72 79 2E
...
Title: Re: Arithmeticus et Pronounciationus
Post by: Mobius on April 12, 2008, 12:46:50 am: Quote from: MP-Ryan on April 11, 2008, 06:14:24 pm
Too-shey. The é is the same sound as the Canadian "eh", or the proper name of this letter: "A."

At least, that's how I've always been taught to pronounce it and I speak French (with an atrocious Western canadian accent mind you, but French nonetheless).

I don't get the "y" at the end...
Title: Re: Arithmeticus et Pronounciationus
Post by: Dark Hunter on April 12, 2008, 01:47:16 am: MP-Ryan is using the same prounciation I spelled out earlier (too-shay) but with a different letter.

Generally, words using that sound in English are spelt with a "y" on the end (for an example: the word "say"). Exceptions usually occur when English borrows a word from another language, as in the case of "touché".

That is probably the reason Admiral Stones' Mac pronounciation seemed off, as the "y" is hardly pronounced at all, yet that is the way English spells such a sound. Trust a computer to ignore such things. Although why Stones trusted a text-to-speech program to properly pronounce a word in the first place is beyond me.
Title: Re: Arithmeticus et Pronounciationus
Post by: Snail on April 12, 2008, 02:53:50 am: Quote from: Dark Hunter on April 12, 2008, 01:47:16 am
That is probably the reason Admiral Stones' Mac pronounciation seemed off, as the "y" is hardly pronounced at all, yet that is the way English spells such a sound. Trust a computer to ignore such things. Although why Stones trusted a text-to-speech program to properly pronounce a word in the first place is beyond me.

Too much faith in Macs?
Title: Re: Wrong arithmetic and French pronunciation
Post by: S-99 on April 12, 2008, 03:23:20 am: Quote from: Admiral_Stones on April 10, 2008, 10:07:23 am
It's always funny how you americans pronounce 'touché'. It sounds very wrong in the ears of a francophone.

When i was growing up. To me it was towche, and touch was towch. I also thought they were the same word until i got older.

Quote from: FreeSpaceFreak on April 10, 2008, 09:57:50 am
There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't :p

Binary is something everyone should. Not that many people outside of computers or math and science do people rarely get exposure to a different number system. Binary itself really is quite an impressive number system for being able to add up to any number between 0 and 255 with only 8 signifiers being 1's and 0's.
Title: Re: Arithmeticus et Pronounciationus
Post by: Colonol Dekker on April 14, 2008, 11:25:25 am: Towch is what you use when it's dark outside........... (__Y__)