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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: ShadowGorrath on April 12, 2008, 04:21:46 am
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In the Bastion cutscene, in FS2, the pilot conversation is between Alpha wing. It seems to me that we hear Alpha1's voice. I mean, one pilot replies to another Alpha wing pilot as "sir", and the only one with high enough rank in the wing to be called "sir" is Alpha1.
Command: One thousand metres to go, thirty seconds and counting
Pilot 1: We've got incoming Alpha, at four o'clock
Pilot 2: Target acquired, I'm locked on
Command: Twenty-five seconds. Get more fighter cover on the Bastion, pilot. We're almost there. Standing by to initiate detonation sequence.
Pilot 3: I got him. I got him. Oh Yeah. Bandit down
Pilot 1: Beautiful kill, sir!
Command: 10, 9...
Pilot 1: Bastion's all clear, Command.
Command: ..8..7..6..5..4..3..Remote detonation sequence initiated. Stage 1....Stage 2....Stage 3....Remote detonation sequence complete
Any thoughts? Or has this been discussed already?
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Check the mission, it might be that one of the other fighters has that voice actor and persona (Wingman 4 or 5, not sure).
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It's Alpha wing. And the only person who can be called a sir is Alpha1, as he's the leader of the 70th Blue Lions.
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It's Alpha wing. And the only person who can be called a sir is Alpha1, as he's the leader of the 70th Blue Lions.
I don't think Alpha 1 would be mouthing off saying "YEAH GOT THAT BASTUD" when he says nothing in every other mission, but that may be something else. Personally I don't think that was Alpha 1.
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It's Alpha wing. And the only person who can be called a sir is Alpha1, as he's the leader of the 70th Blue Lions.
Not necessarily. Regardless of being in the same flight (or wing in FreeSpace terms), fighter planes usually operate in pairs of lead and wing plane. A wing pilot could call the lead pilot "sir", though callsign would be more likely used.
Also, if the pilots in Alpha wing had different rank, a lower ranking pilot could call higher ranking pilot "sir", though again callsign would be more sensible and likely in "reality".
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I'd actually say that Pilot 3 is a wingman, and Pilot 1 is Alpha 1, and he's just polite calling #3 'sir'.
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I'd actually say that Pilot 3 is a wingman, and Pilot 1 is Alpha 1, and he's just polite calling #3 'sir'.
Yeah, he's the one who is saying the most important stuff (enemy incoming, informing command of the situation)
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what about the ending cutscene..I'm sure that's Alpha 1 narating
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what about the ending cutscene..I'm sure that's Alpha 1 narating
We're talking about FS2
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In FS1 I too think we hear Alpha1 narrating the ending cutscene.
And for the Bastion cutscene, as I said, I really think that Alpha1's voice is in there. And yes, it could be the Pilot1. But I'm confident that one of the voices is Alpha1's.
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what about the ending cutscene..I'm sure that's Alpha 1 narating
I agree, it was likely Alpha 1 since he had experienced everything.
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Well there is a definitive posibilaty that in FS1 we do indeed hear alpha1's voice . About what you said in FS2 that was also something that has always bothered me but never gave it much thought untill now.
Also since most pilots in and Elite fighter squadron are already pretty high up in ranks and they tend to get a long rather fast calling everyone higher then you sir means youre gonna salute a lot of ppl every day.
Now the only one you would actualy be calling "sir" is your wing leader since he is usualy the highest ranking officer of the squadron or rather not necesaryly the highest ranking officer but has the highest authority job. therefore he could be a corporal but if hes your wing leader then youre gonna call him sir cuz he outranks even a colonel or something like that asigned as a pilot of the wing.
Does anyone understand what im attempting to talk about here?
Also there is also the posibilaty about the good shot sir thing that he was indeed refering to alpha1 . Since well i dont think anyone else could of killed the bloddy bastard besides alpha1 could there?
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I think the general consensus is that it could have been any number of pilots
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Eitherway, Alpha1 is the squadron leader of the 70th Blue Lions, so that means that he's the highest ranking officer/pilot in there. So other wings have to refer to him as 'sir'.
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Could be a girl, i'm sure some women play FS2, i'm the only person i know who plays it though... (only person i know who plays it, not only girl i know who plays it, i'm not a girl!!)
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Probably
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That discussion sounds quite informal to me, sir.
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Funny, i wonder if anyware it says "You got em ma'am"?
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Well in BSG they still call women sir, IIRC.
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It's Alpha wing. And the only person who can be called a sir is Alpha1, as he's the leader of the 70th Blue Lions.
I don't think Alpha 1 would be mouthing off saying "YEAH GOT THAT BASTUD" when he says nothing in every other mission, but that may be something else. Personally I don't think that was Alpha 1.
Also, I don't think killing off Shivan #164 is special enough anymore to get all excited about it.
I think Pilot 1 is A1 as he is clearly the operation overseer.
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Shivan #164? What about the cruisers, destroyers, and corvettes that have multiple shivans on board. Probably more like shivan #961257
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It's Alpha wing. And the only person who can be called a sir is Alpha1, as he's the leader of the 70th Blue Lions.
I don't think Alpha 1 would be mouthing off saying "YEAH GOT THAT BASTUD" when he says nothing in every other mission, but that may be something else. Personally I don't think that was Alpha 1.
Also, I don't think killing off Shivan #164 is special enough anymore to get all excited about it.
I think Pilot 1 is A1 as he is clearly the operation overseer.
Not necesseraly. In missions, it's usually other pilots that say stuff to you. Or Command.
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It's Alpha wing. And the only person who can be called a sir is Alpha1, as he's the leader of the 70th Blue Lions.
I don't think Alpha 1 would be mouthing off saying "YEAH GOT THAT BASTUD" when he says nothing in every other mission, but that may be something else. Personally I don't think that was Alpha 1.
Also, I don't think killing off Shivan #164 is special enough anymore to get all excited about it.
I think Pilot 1 is A1 as he is clearly the operation overseer.
Not necesseraly. In missions, it's usually other pilots that say stuff to you. Or Command.
maybe because Alpha 1 has a speech defficiency? but that would be giving him a back story, which defeats the purpose of him not talking.
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He does talk, he orders his wingmates to do all sorts of things.
The main thing is that Alpha 1 is you
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Shivan #164? What about the cruisers, destroyers, and corvettes that have multiple shivans on board. Probably more like shivan #961257
... It's just a figure of speech. If you want to, you can play through FS1(, Silent Threat) and FS2 and count just how many Shivans have died.
He does talk, he orders his wingmates to do all sorts of things.
The main thing is that Alpha 1 is you
Does that mean that during the cutscene Alpha 1 is merely viewing the events from dramatic angles and doesn't even participate in defending the Bastion?
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heh..
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I'm saying it doesn't matter...
cause the point of a silent protagonist is that it's you
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Maybe he does talk but you don't hear him. :D
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I'm saying it doesn't matter...
cause the point of a silent protagonist is that it's you
I know. If you ask me, Alpha 1 is not on that cutscene. After playing through a game (or two) as a silent pilot, with the assumption that you are indeed Alpha 1, it doesn't seem right that Alpha 1 suddenly appears in a cutscene and even says something.
Plus, they never use the same fighters in the cutscene that I do in the mission itself.
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I know. If you ask me, Alpha 1 is not on that cutscene. After playing through a game (or two) as a silent pilot, with the assumption that you are indeed Alpha 1, it doesn't seem right that Alpha 1 suddenly appears in a cutscene and even says something.
:yes:
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what? would they make a cutscene for every stinkin combination of fighters/weps?
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what? would they make a cutscene for every stinkin combination of fighters/weps?
:sigh: They won't. No one said that. What I was saying was, that since they didn't do it and still gave the player the possibility of choosing his fighter, it further supports the assumption that the cutscene has abso-****ing-lutely nothing to do with the infamous Alpha 1. Nothing. At all. Now be quiet.
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:sigh: They won't. No one said that. What I was saying was, that since they didn't do it and still gave the player the possibility of choosing his fighter, it further supports the assumption that the cutscene has abso-****ing-lutely nothing to do with the infamous Alpha 1. Nothing. At all. Now be quiet.
Alpha 1 was there, though, so it must. And if any of those ships are the defaults for that mission...
But more to the point, we may not hear his voice (or hers!; Alpha 1 could be the Perseus pilot too...in fact I think I recall the "I got him" sequence from the mission, but not her line, which would put her in the running pretty good) but he was probably visible at least when the Bastion was entering the node.
There's also the possiblity that Alpha 1, while having been appointed to tactical command of the situation, is not in fact the highest ranking pilot on the scene. It's quite possible for Alpha 1 to be appointed to command the Blue Lions while still an Ensign for example, but these are elite pilots, so some, probably most, have rank on Alpha 1. However, if that's the guy put in charge, that's the guy put in charge, and everyone else has to obey their orders. The person designated as being in command is in command; their rank is immaterial to the question. Though this situation can be awkward, it is not exactly uncommon. They might still call a senior officer sir, almost certainly would in fact. But that is a reflection of a different form of discipline from giving and taking orders.
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You don't put someone with less rank than other pilots in command of a fighter squadron.
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Another reason why it's not Alpha 1. Go to stu_fs2.vp. Go to the folder "special." The first few have the voice acting clips for the cutscene, but initially for a mission. So it is very possible that :v: initially had that as scripted events, and obviously none of those voice clips would have been said by Alpha 1.
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If alpha ones voice is the person narrating the last cutscene of fs1, that's a great voice for a1. If in the cutscene of the bastion blowing up mid-node is fs2's a1, then that voice sucks compared to what may be a1 in fs1. The voice that may be a1 in fs2 should be replaced with my voice instead ;7
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If alpha ones voice is the person narrating the last cutscene of fs1, that's a great voice for a1. If in the cutscene of the bastion blowing up mid-node is fs2's a1, then that voice sucks compared to what may be a1 in fs1. The voice that may be a1 in fs2 should be replaced with my voice instead ;7
Well the Alpha 1 in FS1 is (obviously) different from the Alpha 1 in FS2. Even if it sucks, it would still be canon (provided we find that it is indeed Alpha 1's voice).
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Well yeah. I was pointing that at least if a1 was speaking at all in any of the two games that they should have a voice for a1 in fs2 similar to a1's voice in fs1. What may be a1 in fs1 sounded like a confident experienced and pondering character. Having a similar voice for what may be the a1 in fs2 would be cool rather than sounding like some other average pilot in the game (because a1 is not some average pilot at all in any of the two games, a1's a respected, experienced, and talented celebrity of the gtva/gta).
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You don't put someone with less rank than other pilots in command of a fighter squadron.
Why not? For a practical example, the Israeli Air Force has long been known for its tendancy to place junior but more experienced or more capable pilots in tactical command ahead of more senior ones on a permanent basis. It's difficult to deny Alpha 1 has a clue as to what he's doing, moreso than most, and the decidely nasty situation in which the Blue Lions are formed means the GTVA is unlikely to stand on protocol in assigning the best person to the task at hand.
For examples more remote in time, it was not uncommon for senior USAF officers in WW2 to fly "inspection" missions to see what conditions were like at the point of fire, but under the command of vastly more junior officers; people as high up as the commander of the 9th Air Force joined missions commanded by mere captains. During Charles Lindburgh's tour in the Pacific, he flew several missions (and scored kills during them; these were not milk runs) with a team of USAF captains when he was a colonel; one of said captains commanded.
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Alpha 1 does have a tendency to burn towards an area where the enemy is going to be before they actually arrive there, and to disarm a warships main beams after it only just jumped in.
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I'm more going that it was either another pilot or it was someone on a support vessel. I doubt it'd be A1--since the reason that A1 is so awesome and respected is, in my opinion, you. If I'm flying, I'm A1. If you're flying, you're A1. A1 is an extraordinary pilot who is placed in tactical roles because of the expert skills piloting all sorts of fighters and bombers effectively, and the "Restart Mission" button.
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I know. If you ask me, Alpha 1 is not on that cutscene. After playing through a game (or two) as a silent pilot, with the assumption that you are indeed Alpha 1, it doesn't seem right that Alpha 1 suddenly appears in a cutscene and even says something.
:yes:
Again, agreed.
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I'm more going that it was either another pilot or it was someone on a support vessel. I doubt it'd be A1--since the reason that A1 is so awesome and respected is, in my opinion, you. If I'm flying, I'm A1. If you're flying, you're A1. A1 is an extraordinary pilot who is placed in tactical roles because of the expert skills piloting all sorts of fighters and bombers effectively, and the "Restart Mission" button.
Especially the "Restart Mission" button ;)
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If a member of the Female persuasion happened to play through the campaign, then the cut-scene would be wrong (assuming the pilot in question was A1)
So there :p
This is actually an original topic, quite refreshing after x amount of FTL comms to earth, and Religion VS Tibet etc........
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Maybe it depends on the player then ? If the player says that it was Alpha1's voice in the cutscene, then it was so ?
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Maybe it depends on the player then ? If the player says that it was Alpha1's voice in the cutscene, then it was so ?
Interesting, but I'm going to have to say no. In short, Alpha 1 of course says nothing scripted in the entire canon campaign. What does A1 say? (S)He gives orders, which never seem to be spoken but almost always responded to vocally. I'm going to have to extend that to the cutscene--Alpha 1 won't start wingman chatter because the writers neither can nor would script that into the mission. FS2 is a space shooter told in the first person--but the character is supposed to be you. You say what you want to say. The entire story strikes me as sort of eerie--the protagonist never speaks but the story is told non-the-less. It's almost like Alpha 1, if it was another character, is quite literally terrified recalling the events. So terrified that anything Alpha 1 says cannot be remembered. In a daze, if you will. Shock talk is another way to say it. It's all true because the speaker is too dazed to think about the words said.
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But still. If I say, for example, that I was talking as Alpha1 in that cutscene, then I get it as canon to myself, unless Volition states otherwise. And besides, you can't say A1 didn't talk. Like, for example, in the begining of 'Into the Lions den', A1/player was screaming: "OH S**T WTF?!".
Your opinion on this is interesting though.
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There's no such thing as 'canon to myself.' That's called 'fanon.'
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Your opinion on this is interesting though.
Discussion gets you thinking. Anyways--I was thinking of how different stories were told and how stuff happens. I remembered a few ideas about games--you do what you want, and that becomes the plot line. Not open-ended, but objective. If you shoot Cancer 1 instead of Cancer 2, that's perfectly alright. It won't change anything as long as you complete the objective. Remember that the Shivans are not really understood--as evident by the mysterious things that happen and the out-right scary. It's like the entire story was meant to be a recollection of events by a few common pilots--one for each game. The simple fact that you're Alpha 1 and you're always Alpha 1, from start to finish, says to me that you're quite traumatized by these events. Being a veteran of a war--seeing the horrible things and basically evading death time and time again. So yes--to me, it's like Alpha 1 is yourself, as a veteran of whatever war the game has being fought. You tell your story though your actions--but have no words yourself because of the trauma. You know what was said by others, including involving you.
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He does talk, he orders his wingmates to do all sorts of things.
The main thing is that Alpha 1 is you
A1 sure does say **** ****piss all the time :nervous:
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Maybe alpha 1 is dumb. And has to communicate through pressing buttons.
hmm, lets see, that stupid mara is shooting at me again, okay, where's the button, ah there it is! c... 2... 1... Okay, now lets start blasting that mara.
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Your opinion on this is interesting though.
Discussion gets you thinking. Anyways--I was thinking of how different stories were told and how stuff happens. I remembered a few ideas about games--you do what you want, and that becomes the plot line. Not open-ended, but objective. If you shoot Cancer 1 instead of Cancer 2, that's perfectly alright. It won't change anything as long as you complete the objective. Remember that the Shivans are not really understood--as evident by the mysterious things that happen and the out-right scary. It's like the entire story was meant to be a recollection of events by a few common pilots--one for each game. The simple fact that you're Alpha 1 and you're always Alpha 1, from start to finish, says to me that you're quite traumatized by these events. Being a veteran of a war--seeing the horrible things and basically evading death time and time again. So yes--to me, it's like Alpha 1 is yourself, as a veteran of whatever war the game has being fought. You tell your story though your actions--but have no words yourself because of the trauma. You know what was said by others, including involving you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTy6-zK_pCA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTy6-zK_pCA) - the first pilot who talks sounds like he could be Alpha1 though.
Or, if a female plays the game, then the female pilot from the cutscene can be Alpha1.
And you see, if the game is actually viewed as memories of war, the cutscene isn't. You see the game story by yourself. But the cutscenes are filmed/seen by someone else. Outside views. So if the game is in fact memories of the pilot/main-character/you about the second shivan incursion, you wouldn't talk cause you're terrified ( or maybe you would, but not in this case ). But a cutscene is seen/filmed by someone else, so in it you are seen from the 3rd person, and everything you did there is recorded/remembered. Thus in this cutscene's and your opinion's case, it can be Alpha1 talking in there.
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There's an inconsistency.
In FS2, you can set your pilot's gender (and species)...
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No, it's just a picture. For male/female difference - there is a female voice in the cutscene.
And for species, you partake in an officer exchange program with Vasudans, are allowed into the NTF, Vasudans say "you fight like a vasudan".
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Yea, then isn't that picture thing kind of pointless then? :P
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Yes it is. Unless you can say that I'm a shivan if I use a shivan picture? It's only meant normally for MP.
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Surely a lower ranked AI can call a higher ranked AI 'sir'. eg. Alpha 4 to Alpha 2.
Or because they're all Generals (AI), they are all called 'sir'.
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It can't possibly be A1 in that cutscene, because I always ram him into the Lucifer's bridge just before the mission ends. After something like that, he obviously dies. ;)
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Strictly speaking, a multi-role pilot woulnd't always be assigned to Alpha wing, bombers are traditionally put into Gamma Wing, for example, and I suspect every destroyer out there has an Alpha Wing, it's just the name of the first squadron designated in combat, so Alpha wing are the first ships in the hangar, Beta are second etc. At least, that's the impression I got.
After all, most Destroyers carry more wings of fighters than there are letters in the Greek Alphabet ;)
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It can't possibly be A1 in that cutscene, because I always ram him into the Lucifer's bridge just before the mission ends. After something like that, he obviously dies. ;)
Lucifer's ? Either you're mixed up the name of the ship ( which is called the GTD Bastion ), or you're talking about the wrong cutscene.
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Strictly speaking, a multi-role pilot woulnd't always be assigned to Alpha wing, bombers are traditionally put into Gamma Wing, for example, and I suspect every destroyer out there has an Alpha Wing, it's just the name of the first squadron designated in combat, so Alpha wing are the first ships in the hangar, Beta are second etc. At least, that's the impression I got.
After all, most Destroyers carry more wings of fighters than there are letters in the Greek Alphabet ;)
This is something I've actually thought a lot about since I'm trying to make the GTVA seem a bit more military.
I've basically concluded that wing names are assigned in the operations orders for the day. Unless engaged in surge-tempo operations, meaning that either a major offensive is being undertaken on limited resources or the **** has well and truly hit the fan, at any given time a destroyer probably only has a third of its fighter complement deployed. It wouldn't really need to send out more than half under anything like normal circumstances. The remainder are in for maintainance, crew rest, or they're simply not needed at the moment.
Those wings that are designated as "on call" for the day, or whatever period of time, are assigned wing names Alpha through whatever.
In the event of an ad hoc situation developing where wings from multiple destroyers or installations are engaged in a single combat, or wings not designated in the op orders must be deployed, they revert to their internal squadron designations of "Skull Alpha" etc. like we saw in "...But Hate the Traitor".