[Killer Whale]

Shivan #164? What about the cruisers, destroyers, and corvettes that have multiple shivans on board. Probably more like shivan #961257

[ShadowGorrath]

It's Alpha wing. And the only person who can be called a sir is Alpha1, as he's the leader of the 70th Blue Lions.

I don't think Alpha 1 would be mouthing off saying "YEAH GOT THAT BASTUD" when he says nothing in every other mission, but that may be something else. Personally I don't think that was Alpha 1.

Also, I don't think killing off Shivan #164 is special enough anymore to get all excited about it.

I think Pilot 1 is A1 as he is clearly the operation overseer.

Not necesseraly. In missions, it's usually other pilots that say stuff to you. Or Command.

[Titan]

It's Alpha wing. And the only person who can be called a sir is Alpha1, as he's the leader of the 70th Blue Lions.

I don't think Alpha 1 would be mouthing off saying "YEAH GOT THAT BASTUD" when he says nothing in every other mission, but that may be something else. Personally I don't think that was Alpha 1.

Also, I don't think killing off Shivan #164 is special enough anymore to get all excited about it.

I think Pilot 1 is A1 as he is clearly the operation overseer.

Not necesseraly. In missions, it's usually other pilots that say stuff to you. Or Command.

maybe because Alpha 1 has a speech defficiency? but that would be giving him a back story, which defeats the purpose of him not talking.

[Mars]

He does talk, he orders his wingmates to do all sorts of things.

The main thing is that Alpha 1 is you

[Jeff Vader]

Shivan #164? What about the cruisers, destroyers, and corvettes that have multiple shivans on board. Probably more like shivan #961257

... It's just a figure of speech. If you want to, you can play through FS1(, Silent Threat) and FS2 and count just how many Shivans have died.

He does talk, he orders his wingmates to do all sorts of things.

The main thing is that Alpha 1 is you

Does that mean that during the cutscene Alpha 1 is merely viewing the events from dramatic angles and doesn't even participate in defending the Bastion?

[Titan]

heh..

[Mars]

I'm saying it doesn't matter...

cause the point of a silent protagonist is that it's you

[Snail]

Maybe he does talk but you don't hear him.

[Jeff Vader]

I'm saying it doesn't matter...

cause the point of a silent protagonist is that it's you

I know. If you ask me, Alpha 1 is not on that cutscene. After playing through a game (or two) as a silent pilot, with the assumption that you are indeed Alpha 1, it doesn't seem right that Alpha 1 suddenly appears in a cutscene and even says something.

Plus, they never use the same fighters in the cutscene that I do in the mission itself.

[Snail]

I know. If you ask me, Alpha 1 is not on that cutscene. After playing through a game (or two) as a silent pilot, with the assumption that you are indeed Alpha 1, it doesn't seem right that Alpha 1 suddenly appears in a cutscene and even says something.

[Titan]

what? would they make a cutscene for every stinkin combination of fighters/weps?

[Jeff Vader]

what? would they make a cutscene for every stinkin combination of fighters/weps?

They won't. No one said that. What I was saying was, that since they didn't do it and still gave the player the possibility of choosing his fighter, it further supports the assumption that the cutscene has abso-****ing-lutely nothing to do with the infamous Alpha 1. Nothing. At all. Now be quiet.

[NGTM-1R]

They won't. No one said that. What I was saying was, that since they didn't do it and still gave the player the possibility of choosing his fighter, it further supports the assumption that the cutscene has abso-****ing-lutely nothing to do with the infamous Alpha 1. Nothing. At all. Now be quiet.

Alpha 1 was there, though, so it must. And if any of those ships are the defaults for that mission...

But more to the point, we may not hear his voice (or hers!; Alpha 1 could be the Perseus pilot too...in fact I think I recall the "I got him" sequence from the mission, but not her line, which would put her in the running pretty good) but he was probably visible at least when the Bastion was entering the node.

There's also the possiblity that Alpha 1, while having been appointed to tactical command of the situation, is not in fact the highest ranking pilot on the scene. It's quite possible for Alpha 1 to be appointed to command the Blue Lions while still an Ensign for example, but these are elite pilots, so some, probably most, have rank on Alpha 1. However, if that's the guy put in charge, that's the guy put in charge, and everyone else has to obey their orders. The person designated as being in command is in command; their rank is immaterial to the question. Though this situation can be awkward, it is not exactly uncommon. They might still call a senior officer sir, almost certainly would in fact. But that is a reflection of a different form of discipline from giving and taking orders.

[ShadowGorrath]

You don't put someone with less rank than other pilots in command of a fighter squadron.

[Snail]

Another reason why it's not Alpha 1. Go to stu_fs2.vp. Go to the folder "special." The first few have the voice acting clips for the cutscene, but initially for a mission. So it is very possible that initially had that as scripted events, and obviously none of those voice clips would have been said by Alpha 1.

[S-99]

If alpha ones voice is the person narrating the last cutscene of fs1, that's a great voice for a1. If in the cutscene of the bastion blowing up mid-node is fs2's a1, then that voice sucks compared to what may be a1 in fs1. The voice that may be a1 in fs2 should be replaced with my voice instead

[Snail]

If alpha ones voice is the person narrating the last cutscene of fs1, that's a great voice for a1. If in the cutscene of the bastion blowing up mid-node is fs2's a1, then that voice sucks compared to what may be a1 in fs1. The voice that may be a1 in fs2 should be replaced with my voice instead

Well the Alpha 1 in FS1 is (obviously) different from the Alpha 1 in FS2. Even if it sucks, it would still be canon (provided we find that it is indeed Alpha 1's voice).

[S-99]

Well yeah. I was pointing that at least if a1 was speaking at all in any of the two games that they should have a voice for a1 in fs2 similar to a1's voice in fs1. What may be a1 in fs1 sounded like a confident experienced and pondering character. Having a similar voice for what may be the a1 in fs2 would be cool rather than sounding like some other average pilot in the game (because a1 is not some average pilot at all in any of the two games, a1's a respected, experienced, and talented celebrity of the gtva/gta).

[NGTM-1R]

You don't put someone with less rank than other pilots in command of a fighter squadron.

Why not? For a practical example, the Israeli Air Force has long been known for its tendancy to place junior but more experienced or more capable pilots in tactical command ahead of more senior ones on a permanent basis. It's difficult to deny Alpha 1 has a clue as to what he's doing, moreso than most, and the decidely nasty situation in which the Blue Lions are formed means the GTVA is unlikely to stand on protocol in assigning the best person to the task at hand.

For examples more remote in time, it was not uncommon for senior USAF officers in WW2 to fly "inspection" missions to see what conditions were like at the point of fire, but under the command of vastly more junior officers; people as high up as the commander of the 9th Air Force joined missions commanded by mere captains. During Charles Lindburgh's tour in the Pacific, he flew several missions (and scored kills during them; these were not milk runs) with a team of USAF captains when he was a colonel; one of said captains commanded.

[Killer Whale]

Alpha 1 does have a tendency to burn towards an area where the enemy is going to be before they actually arrive there, and to disarm a warships main beams after it only just jumped in.