[Bob-san]

I'm more going that it was either another pilot or it was someone on a support vessel. I doubt it'd be A1--since the reason that A1 is so awesome and respected is, in my opinion, you. If I'm flying, I'm A1. If you're flying, you're A1. A1 is an extraordinary pilot who is placed in tactical roles because of the expert skills piloting all sorts of fighters and bombers effectively, and the "Restart Mission" button.

[General Battuta]

I know. If you ask me, Alpha 1 is not on that cutscene. After playing through a game (or two) as a silent pilot, with the assumption that you are indeed Alpha 1, it doesn't seem right that Alpha 1 suddenly appears in a cutscene and even says something.

Again, agreed.

[FreeSpaceFreak]

I'm more going that it was either another pilot or it was someone on a support vessel. I doubt it'd be A1--since the reason that A1 is so awesome and respected is, in my opinion, you. If I'm flying, I'm A1. If you're flying, you're A1. A1 is an extraordinary pilot who is placed in tactical roles because of the expert skills piloting all sorts of fighters and bombers effectively, and the "Restart Mission" button.

Especially the "Restart Mission" button

[Colonol Dekker]

If a member of the Female persuasion happened to play through the campaign, then the cut-scene would be wrong (assuming the pilot in question was A1)


So there 


This is actually an original topic, quite refreshing after x amount of FTL comms to earth, and Religion VS Tibet etc........

[ShadowGorrath]

Maybe it depends on the player then ? If the player says that it was Alpha1's voice in the cutscene, then it was so ?

[Bob-san]

Maybe it depends on the player then ? If the player says that it was Alpha1's voice in the cutscene, then it was so ?

Interesting, but I'm going to have to say no. In short, Alpha 1 of course says nothing scripted in the entire canon campaign. What does A1 say? (S)He gives orders, which never seem to be spoken but almost always responded to vocally. I'm going to have to extend that to the cutscene--Alpha 1 won't start wingman chatter because the writers neither can nor would script that into the mission. FS2 is a space shooter told in the first person--but the character is supposed to be you. You say what you want to say. The entire story strikes me as sort of eerie--the protagonist never speaks but the story is told non-the-less. It's almost like Alpha 1, if it was another character, is quite literally terrified recalling the events. So terrified that anything Alpha 1 says cannot be remembered. In a daze, if you will. Shock talk is another way to say it. It's all true because the speaker is too dazed to think about the words said.

[ShadowGorrath]

But still. If I say, for example, that I was talking as Alpha1 in that cutscene, then I get it as canon to myself, unless Volition states otherwise. And besides, you can't say A1 didn't talk. Like, for example, in the begining of 'Into the Lions den', A1/player was screaming: "OH S**T WTF?!".

Your opinion on this is interesting though.

[General Battuta]

There's no such thing as 'canon to myself.' That's called 'fanon.'

[Bob-san]

Your opinion on this is interesting though.

Discussion gets you thinking. Anyways--I was thinking of how different stories were told and how stuff happens. I remembered a few ideas about games--you do what you want, and that becomes the plot line. Not open-ended, but objective. If you shoot Cancer 1 instead of Cancer 2, that's perfectly alright. It won't change anything as long as you complete the objective. Remember that the Shivans are not really understood--as evident by the mysterious things that happen and the out-right scary. It's like the entire story was meant to be a recollection of events by a few common pilots--one for each game. The simple fact that you're Alpha 1 and you're always Alpha 1, from start to finish, says to me that you're quite traumatized by these events. Being a veteran of a war--seeing the horrible things and basically evading death time and time again. So yes--to me, it's like Alpha 1 is yourself, as a veteran of whatever war the game has being fought. You tell your story though your actions--but have no words yourself because of the trauma. You know what was said by others, including involving you.

[S-99]

He does talk, he orders his wingmates to do all sorts of things.

The main thing is that Alpha 1 is you

A1 sure does say **** ****piss all the time 

[Killer Whale]

Maybe alpha 1 is dumb. And has to communicate through pressing buttons.

hmm, lets see, that stupid mara is shooting at me again, okay, where's the button, ah there it is! c... 2... 1... Okay, now lets start blasting that mara.

[ShadowGorrath]

Your opinion on this is interesting though.

Discussion gets you thinking. Anyways--I was thinking of how different stories were told and how stuff happens. I remembered a few ideas about games--you do what you want, and that becomes the plot line. Not open-ended, but objective. If you shoot Cancer 1 instead of Cancer 2, that's perfectly alright. It won't change anything as long as you complete the objective. Remember that the Shivans are not really understood--as evident by the mysterious things that happen and the out-right scary. It's like the entire story was meant to be a recollection of events by a few common pilots--one for each game. The simple fact that you're Alpha 1 and you're always Alpha 1, from start to finish, says to me that you're quite traumatized by these events. Being a veteran of a war--seeing the horrible things and basically evading death time and time again. So yes--to me, it's like Alpha 1 is yourself, as a veteran of whatever war the game has being fought. You tell your story though your actions--but have no words yourself because of the trauma. You know what was said by others, including involving you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTy6-zK_pCA - the first pilot who talks sounds like he could be Alpha1 though.

Or, if a female plays the game, then the female pilot from the cutscene can be Alpha1.

And you see, if the game is actually viewed as memories of war, the cutscene isn't. You see the game story by yourself. But the cutscenes are filmed/seen by someone else. Outside views. So if the game is in fact memories of the pilot/main-character/you about the second shivan incursion, you wouldn't talk cause you're terrified ( or maybe you would, but not in this case ). But a cutscene is seen/filmed by someone else, so in it you are seen from the 3rd person, and everything you did there is recorded/remembered. Thus in this cutscene's and your opinion's case, it can be Alpha1 talking in there.

[Droid803]

There's an inconsistency.
In FS2, you can set your pilot's gender (and species)...

[ShadowGorrath]

No, it's just a picture. For male/female difference - there is a female voice in the cutscene.

And for species, you partake in an officer exchange program with Vasudans, are allowed into the NTF, Vasudans say "you fight like a vasudan".

[Droid803]

Yea, then isn't that picture thing kind of pointless then?

[ShadowGorrath]

Yes it is. Unless you can say that I'm a shivan if I use a shivan picture? It's only meant normally for MP.

[Excalibur]

Surely a lower ranked AI can call a higher ranked AI 'sir'. eg. Alpha 4 to Alpha 2.
Or because they're all Generals (AI), they are all called 'sir'.

[BloodEagle]

It can't possibly be A1 in that cutscene, because I always ram him into the Lucifer's bridge just before the mission ends. After something like that, he obviously dies. 

[Flipside]

Strictly speaking, a multi-role pilot woulnd't always be assigned to Alpha wing, bombers are traditionally put into Gamma Wing, for example, and I suspect every destroyer out there has an Alpha Wing, it's just the name of the first squadron designated in combat, so Alpha wing are the first ships in the hangar, Beta are second etc. At least, that's the impression I got.

After all, most Destroyers carry more wings of fighters than there are letters in the Greek Alphabet

[ShadowGorrath]

It can't possibly be A1 in that cutscene, because I always ram him into the Lucifer's bridge just before the mission ends. After something like that, he obviously dies. 

Lucifer's ? Either you're mixed up the name of the ship ( which is called the GTD Bastion ), or you're talking about the wrong cutscene.