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Announcements => Announcements => Topic started by: BlackDove on May 05, 2008, 07:12:53 pm
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Lulz.
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I don't find what I said funny :wtf:
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Monkeying people for being idiots, ban them for doing directly bad things.
You can't blame someone for being an idiot, you can only blame them for acting it.
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Lol. I didn't even mean it that way XD
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I don't find what I said funny :wtf:
Wasn't directed at you. If I'm talking to you, you'll know it, because it will sound like God is adressing you.
Having history with the monkey system and its abuse with how it was used on me, I find the whole concept lulzy.
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I don't find what I said funny :wtf:
Wasn't directed at you. If I'm talking to you, you'll know it, because it will sound like God is adressing you.
I don't know about you, but that sentance didn't sound like God was talking to me. It sounded more like an idiot that...
lulzy.
...fails English.
:P
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I don't find what I said funny :wtf:
Wasn't directed at you. If I'm talking to you, you'll know it, because it will sound like God is adressing you.
I don't know about you, but that sentance didn't sound like God was talking to me. It sounded more like an idiot that...
lulzy.
...fails English.
:P
Uh oh Admin Team. He insulted me. Now whatchoo gonna do? Do I spam the report to moderator button? How far does that take me? Do you do something about it? Do you lock the thread? Do you monkey him? Do you do nothing and let it slide, therein enforcing no rules? Do you make a "You had it coming" or similar remark? Is it better for me to just insult him if you don't take action? Where does it end?
Here's the first public case. How do we go about solving it? Case study of a person I've baited #1: How do you handle it?
Lulz.
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I think it ends where I put the tongue smiley face, therefore implying that I was joking :doubt:
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No, no. Smiley faces don't make your insults okay.
I am offended.
Sure, I baited you into it, but we needed a test subject to experiment on, because in normal circumstances, there will be a lot of baiting going around, and then some sap is going to make the plunge and start with the idiot calling and the spelling and laungage insults. The people who bait sometimes even don't know they're baiting others until it becomes apparent when it escalates into one person putting the other down. Sure I did it here intentionally, but nothing I've done really is objectionable.
So case in point, we get to see how it goes down for realz. Do they sanction you for your lapse in judgment? Do they let you slide like a penguin?
Both choices carry consequences. If they sanction you, maybe they're too harsh. If they don't sanction you, then the rules don't matter, and we can all call eachother idiots and insult eachother's spelling with smiley faces until kingdom come.
What is it? That's always been the question, and all of the administrators up to now have evaded it as best possible because they didn't want to deal with it.
So. Let's see if Justice really exists somewhere around here. Or if these threads are just pointless bull****.
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So it's either:
a)I'm ****ed.
b)The Admins are ****ed.
c)Nobody gives a **** and we move on.
I'd like to see how this turns out ;7
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You do that, I'm off to bed.
Peace out.
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I understand it fine. Monkeying people for being idiots, ban them for doing directly bad things.
If everyone who was an idiot was monkeyed, we'd have a much higher collective IQ, but the tension would be very high (if it wasn't high enough already...). If everyone who was an asshole was banned, we'd have a much lower collective IQ (if it wasn't low enough already...), but there wouldn't be much tension.
Here's the kicker, though. Without the idiots, the assholes wouldn't be able to laugh their asses off. And without the assholes, the idiots would never learn. It's a catch-22. A delicate balance between stupidity and hostility. And if you get rid of them both, there would be nothing left, as the calm geniuses have left the forum because nobody wants to be a regular in a forum that has a new thread once every couple weeks.
Though if I could make one suggestion, it would be to punish those who are morons just as harshly as those who are punished for being total dicks.
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[This is a test of the Smiley theory, do not be alarmed...]
"Sorry I nuked your country..." ;7
[This was only a test, go back to what you were doing...]
Ok while it might take some of the edge off, I don't think the [smiley defense] will stand in the court of HLP...
Where's Thunder with the Dead Frozen Goat of Justice? (was it retired?)
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Uh oh Admin Team. He insulted me. Now whatchoo gonna do? Do I spam the report to moderator button? How far does that take me? Do you do something about it? Do you lock the thread? Do you monkey him? Do you do nothing and let it slide, therein enforcing no rules? Do you make a "You had it coming" or similar remark?
It's based on what the admins consider unreasonably offensive.
If someone is thin skinned enough to take offence as things that most people would ignore or laugh at that's their problem. You do not have an absolute right not to be offended. Monkeying is called for if someone is being offensive in such a way as to cause disruption to the forum.
Given that you're actually the bigger disruption to the thread it's not Haloboy who's facing the Monkeying.
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Riiiiiiight, it's the distruption of the thread that's the problem.
So what you're saying is that it doesn't matter that he tried to insult me, it's my fault for "distrupting" (what the **** is that anyway?) the thread and I should be sanctioned regardless of what the point is?
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Oh be reasonable... :p
What's the logic of trying to prove the policy is not "politically correct" while your mocking the Admins? That isn't a wise method of persuasion to get your point across.
It makes you unable to have a discussion without having bashing and flaming, which is what this policy is meant to punish. In the end, posting here is a privilege and what they say goes. I'm sure they'll use careful judgment as to how severe to punish, but really they don't owe us anything.
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I am as reasonable as it gets. I'm not mocking anyone either, and I don't give a **** about the policy one way or the other.
What I do care about is what I can expect when the **** hits the fan (like in the example above). I'd like to know which direction the wind blows so I can act accordingly.
If all that's going to happen is some evasive bull**** that karajorma tried to pull here, and that's the official stance, then we're all set. There is no interest in justice or the common good. Just some overt masturbation that keeps the retarded in line and the people with access to the staff forum with as little work as possible.
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This is basically saying that if I insult you, it's fine if nobody *****es about it. Given a real case other then this thread in which you did make a big deal out of it, I'm sure a fella like you would be able to brush it off and be able to laugh at yourself to be able to move on with the topic of the thread without disrupting it.
If it is a bad comment, such as racism, or something that would be largly offensive (again that the admins deem reasonably offensive, due to common sense), then action would be taken. But if all I do is simply insult you and we laugh about it and it's over with in a few posts, then there shouldn't be a problem.
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This is fun. In order to further test the justice system, I must say:
Blackdove and haloboy, you're idiots.
:nervous:
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Alright. Now this is just getting immature :doubt:
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/me points at haloboy100, redsniper and BlackDove
I hate you, you and you.
Like, what's the big deal? You can be dumb. If you don't understand something, just ask. But don't be an idiot or an ass. Deliberately acting inappropriately is bound to get certain kinds of results.
Now, can we please stop this "testing"?
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This is fun. In order to further test the justice system, I must say:
Blackdove and haloboy, you're idiots.
:nervous:
**** yeah *****. That's the stuff.
See, he got my point.
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The point of monkeying is to deal with people who act like idiots after repeated warnings NOT to act like idiots. It's the replacement for banning someone for being a pain in the arse that the admin staff are sick and tired of closing or splitting threads for.
It's not about justice, there will be no trial, there is no list of regulations and punishments for breaking them. Quite frankly if you can't figure out what is the correct way to act in polite society you shouldn't be allowed out of your cage in the zoo let alone onto the internet.
And none of the admin staff are interested in teaching you what your parents should have taught you.
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Yeah, but one month?!?
You can go for lighter punishments when needed, like one or two weeks.
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Well, sounds great to me. Without managing to define anything, you're basically going to monkey or ban people that you don't like or don't agree with.
Glad we got that sorted out. Nothing really changes.
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No, you can disagree, just don't be a twat while doing it.
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One month seems open to debate for me.
"Was it necessary? One week should've been enough".
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Well, sounds great to me. Without managing to define anything, you're basically going to monkey or ban people that you don't like or don't agree with.
Glad we got that sorted out. Nothing really changes.
It's called good judgment, but I don't blame you for not recognizing that.
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Well, sounds great to me. Without managing to define anything, you're basically going to monkey or ban people that you don't like or don't agree with.
Since when was monkeying people based on opinion of their personality?
It's very simple. If you repeadedly act like an idiot, you're monkeyed. Simple.
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No, you can disagree, just don't be a twat while doing it.
Just as long as everyone who does agree can be a twat.
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No, you can disagree, just don't be a twat while doing it.
Just as long as everyone who does agree can be a twat.
:doubt:
I think the fact that you havn't been taking this seriously the last 2 pages says that this shouldn't be discussed any longer.
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Just as long as everyone who does agree can be a twat.
Wrong again. While I might agree with Kazan's politics in general any repeat of the whole Christofascist!!!!1111 stuff would get him monkeyed again too.
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Monkey plan, monkey spam, monkey throws the **** at the fan...
I kind of see what BlackDove is doing here, because he's done it before (by his own admission). He's pushing us to test our limits. He's providing a test case for the monkey justice system.
Well, in that case, I'm happy to oblige him. Everyone, meet BlackDove the monkey.
(And yes, I'll make sure you get unmonkeyed, and not perma-banned, once your term expires. Sorry about last time; I don't remember who did it but it won't happen again.)
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I was wondering if (and when) that was going to happen ;)
Almost ironic ... getting monkeyed on the thread about the new monkey rules.
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how come blackdove can make a thread here and i can't :wtf:?
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Blackdove can't. It was split from the "New Monkey Policy" thread.
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Why is it here? This isn't an announcement, is it?
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My guess is the admins are trying to show the new system in action.
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Lol. I like it ;7
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Neato..........I like to think i've mellowed somewhat since DRUNKEN SANTA...........
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wat.
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wat.
The magical time i was banned... I think i've learned to be a bit more retrained ie- "brain>gear>mouth/type" since then.
*goes to make coffee.
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Lulz.
Lulz indeed.
To be frank, I'm not surprised in any way whatsoever you managed to monkey yourself. I may be an asshole, and stupid at times, but at least I know (for the most part) when to quit. I'm certainly glad I decided not to type "and don't wake up" in my previous post. It would have meant I aided in your monkeying, and I could have furthermore been yelled at by Kara. But since I didn't, it makes the self-pwnage that much sweeter to see :).
Seriously, when (if) you get unmonkeyed, it'd be in your best interest to change your attitude. I consider a one month monkeying quite lenient for your case. If it were my forum (which admittedly it is not), I would have banned you. And not only for the assholish behavior, but also the complete lack of respect and intelligence. There really is no excuse for it.
And to wrap it up: Close thread pl0x? Maybe move it to HLP Classics? :D
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Another announcement thread closed?? :P
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:wtf: I must be the only one that thinks that BlackDove shouldn't have been 'monkeyed.'
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There's no reason for it to exist, other than to laugh at BlackDove's follies. And to laugh at follies, it's better to be in the HLP classics forum :).
EDIT: BloodEagle, it's not what he said, but how he said it. I agree with his ideas to a certain extent, but even I am not that arrogant and pompous.
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There's no reason for it to exist, other than to laugh at BlackDove's follies. And to laugh at follies, it's better to be in the HLP classics forum :).
EDIT: BloodEagle, it's not what he said, but how he said it. I agree with his ideas to a certain extent, but even I am not that arrogant and pompous.
I've read what he said, and it's virtually nothing compared to what I've seen elsewhere on this forum.
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anybody look on the front page and notice the "new announcement"?
:lol:
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:wtf: I must be the only one that thinks that BlackDove shouldn't have been 'monkeyed.'
Counting past bad acts, as should occur.
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He's been baiting for months to be honest, mostly people just ignore him, but the moment someone doesn't then he considers it some kind of 'political' statement regarding how 'fair' this site is, or evidence of some kind of Admin 'conspiracy'.
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*facepalm*
Sorry.
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What are the rules for people who are "monkeyed"? i.e. are they still not allowed to spam, etc.?
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They are prevented from posting on public forums for a period of time (a month ATM). When that time is over, they come back and all is normal.
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To tell you the truth it did start to feel a little like that Python "argument" sketch (as in provoking one)... ;7
But dammit Blackdove, I hope this does not push BWO even further back!
:lol:
Oh and Congrats on being the first "New" Monkey... Is there like a plaque or statue or something?
(The Movie Monkeybone?)
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BlackDove can still post on BWO's internal forum.
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i.e. are they still not allowed to spam, etc.?
You're never allowed to spam.
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A troll with no taste.
That's about all I see here.
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i.e. are they still not allowed to spam, etc.?
You're never allowed to spam.
A little spam now and then never hurt anyone... :nervous:
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Even Goob spams sometimes, you just can't be an ass, or fill a page with spam.
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I suppose the rule of thumb here is, wandering off point in the middle of the post is common, and to be expected, even a 'quip' is acceptable, but downright sarcasm, designed to be hurtful or flamebait and deliberate off-topic posts are not so popular, though sarcasm has a great deal more tolerance here than in many boards I frequent.
Where the line is, is up to the Admin, no-one else, not even Global Moderators can monkey someone. If you start trying to decide things like that by the majority then you get the mess that is the English Legal system.
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If you want to get banned, all you got to do is change your username to TrashMan ;7
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:necro:
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
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:necro:
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
Less than a month is more of a :bump:
However, I do not know what TrashMan is on about? :confused: :wtf:
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Oh sweet potatoes..................
What the heck.
( i still can't remember where i heard that saying the first time, it was definitely a fit bird though)
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However, I do not know what TrashMan is on about? :confused: :wtf:
Trashman was banned a while back for this post (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,53231.msg1083376.html#msg1083376) which was the last in a long line of threads that had pushed him to the verge of a banning.
Of course now he'd just be monkeyed and the Wing Commander boys would be the only ones who had to put up with him.
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Hmmm...didn't even notice the date on this thread...ups! My bad. Was at the top so it looked like there was recent activity.
But you might be glad to hear Kaj, that you won't have to put up with me anymore. I'm more or less done with HLP (unles something unforseen happens).
In the "off-time" I joined some other non FS projects and it eats at my time so I doubt I'll be doing any FS modding for some time to come. Not to mention I have some preparations to make for my new job (In 2 months I'll be working for Provox Games)
Speaking of which, funny that I'm a active member on over 60 forums and I've never, ever been banned for any forum except this one. Not even warned (except once, at Kerberos boards). I got banned several times here, usually the accusation was trolling (alltough by whose definition I have no idea, cause it sure didn't match any dictionarty I checked), altouhg it could also be lack of humor.
Regardless, for the time being I bid you all farewell. I might drop in from time to time to check on the progress.
Who knows, I might get back to FS modding one day.
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Actually I never wanted you to go. I simply wanted you to stop deliberately causing problems.
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Good luck at your new job. :)
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:necro:
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
What's so bad about necroing an announcement?
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Actually I never wanted you to go. I simply wanted you to stop deliberately causing problems.
I never cause problems deliberately. I always try to follow the rules and keep things civil...but I ain't sugarcoating my words or denouncing my opinions simply because somebody is offended so easily. I've seen it too many times that a humorous post by me is interpreted as an all-out attack, sadly.
I still got a few months before my new job, so who knows..Right now I'm taking a drivers license and the other projects I'm part of should take too long..some are almost done. Mayhaps I'll find some time to finish some FS stuff. If not, I'll make everything I have available.
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The monkey avatar was an awkward idea...it's a bit too galvanizing to do anything other than cause problems.
BlackDove:
it will sound like God is adressing you
Conjure up a spell checker, m'lord?
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I never cause problems deliberately. I always try to follow the rules and keep things civil...but I ain't sugarcoating my words or denouncing my opinions simply because somebody is offended so easily. I've seen it too many times that a humorous post by me is interpreted as an all-out attack, sadly.
When you're mature and you have the facts to back up your assertions, then you can break out the big guns. Until then, discretion is the better part of valor.
Aside from your abysmal debating skill, keep in mind that you're decidedly wrong on a number of key issues, most recently the FLDS case for which you got yourself banned for a month. Have some humility and accept correction from friend and foe alike. Don't dig in like an obstinate mule.
EDIT: Read this article (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/01/18/MN73840.DTL) too, and learn to recognize the warning signs in your arguments.
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When you're mature and you have the facts to back up your assertions, then you can break out the big guns. Until then, discretion is the better part of valor.
Aside from your abysmal debating skill, keep in mind that you're decidedly wrong on a number of key issues, most recently the FLDS case for which you got yourself banned for a month. Have some humility and accept correction from friend and foe alike. Don't dig in like an obstinate mule.
Being wrong or right is more often then not a matter of oppinion.
I have been wrong on some occasions, and when I realised that I corrected myself. But in most cases I believe I'm spot on...no, I know I'm spot on...and I don't give a damn just how wrong you, him, Bush, or ms. Jinks thinks I am.
My debating skills have served me well so far, and by laws of statictics, I got far more congratulations on a good debate than accusations on bad debating.
But really, what does a debate come down to eventually?
Maybe you don't like the others debating style?
Maybe you don't see the holes in your own agruments (happens to the best of us all too often), and miss the logic in his?
Maybe BOTH sides have good arguments?
Maybe both sides are so blinded (this is the most common scenario) that the debate ends in flames.
Anyway, I've yet to see anyone debating on this or any other forum who hasn't broken a few of those rules (from the links you posted) on regular basis. I break them no more or less then anyone else. If you really dig and try to cycle trough various possible meanings of phrases and words, you can "find" such bad debating signs anywhere.
Heck, I can find a few in your own post right now, but I know you haven't actually meant it...Or at least I hope you didn't.
Methinks the point of good debating is to NOT assume the worst possible interpretation/meaning of the opponents words, but rather the opposite. Try to find some reason in his words even tough it seems it may not be there..for it may very well be there, your just looking in the wrong direction....
humility is good. Devaluating oneself to stroke someone elses eago - not so much.
Whatever.
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Trashman, given that you're the only person who has been banned over their debating style you're going to have to do a lot better than "I thought I was right, it's all just about opinions and everyone else does it."
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Do I have to?
All it takes for the "right" person (one with power) to hate you guts (for whatever reason) to get banned. And there are a few ...other reason I can think of, but I won't talk about them, lest I get accused for even more stuff.
And since you asked, yes, I believe the banning was flatout, 100% wrong. What I posted wasn't contrary to any rules, nor was it trolling nor was it any more insultive that 99,995 of stuff you can read.
Speaking of which, can an admin separate this last few posts into a new thread? This thread isn't really the right place for this.
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Trashman, you do realize that the reason that the reason your arguments (or "skills) are flawed are because they are drowned in rhetoric. Which can (and does) lead to flaming. You are going against people who don't agree with you, (argumentatively they strongly dislike you).
You must learn to find common ground, use "logic" in your argument, and to engage in "civilized" debate. When you add the "flame" equation, not only does the argument fail and it appears your not secure in your own belief but it can get personal and adds little to the topic.
The only reason you can't see that is because you have told yourself that you don't do any more wrong than anyone else. Could be true I don't know but not a justification none the less.
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All it takes for the "right" person (one with power) to hate you guts (for whatever reason) to get banned. And there are a few ...other reason I can think of, but I won't talk about them, lest I get accused for even more stuff.
And since you asked, yes, I believe the banning was flatout, 100% wrong. What I posted wasn't contrary to any rules, nor was it trolling nor was it any more insultive that 99,995 of stuff you can read.
And of course there was a huge protest about your banning and how unfair it was that included members such as......umm......gimme a sec......oh yeah, that's right, no one. Not one single person has yet stated that your banning was unfair. Is this where you now turn around and claim that everyone on HLP is against you?
This is exactly why you got yourself banned in the first place Trashman. Your complete inability to see when you're in the wrong coupled with your willingness to dig yourself in and fight to the death over it. You can try to paint your banning as a vendetta or overreaction from the admins all you like but given what a bunch of moaners the average HLP users are you'd think that someone might have had something to say about it. Take a look at the monkey thread policy thread or the hosting policy thread if you don't think the members will start posting if they think that the admins are being arbitrary.
Speaking of which, can an admin separate this last few posts into a new thread? This thread isn't really the right place for this.
Actually I feel it's quite appropriate. You're 5 posts in and counting. :p
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This is exactly why you got yourself banned in the first place Trashman. Your complete inability to see when you're in the wrong coupled with your willingness to dig yourself in and fight to the death over it. You can try to paint your banning as a vendetta or overreaction from the admins all you like but given what a bunch of moaners the average HLP users are you'd think that someone might have had something to say about it. Take a look at the monkey thread policy thread or the hosting policy thread if you don't think the members will start posting if they think that the admins are being arbitrary.
Come-on Karajorma, you know you love us really! :P :D
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Thing is, this place has it's share of pretty radical views, that's something that is common and usually be dealt with, or left to deal with itself, but the problem is that sometimes you just have to learn to disagree with people and leave it at that. There are situations in life where you are both right, or wrong.
I suppose it's a question of "it ain't what you do, it's the way that you do it"
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And of course there was a huge protest about your banning and how unfair it was that included members such as......umm......gimme a sec......oh yeah, that's right, no one. Not one single person has yet stated that your banning was unfair. Is this where you now turn around and claim that everyone on HLP is against you?
You're using that as an argument? We are on the internets!
Who cares if I got banned? Who knew I got banned in the first place? Why would they even lift a finger, no matter how wrong it is.
This is exactly why you got yourself banned in the first place Trashman. Your complete inability to see when you're in the wrong coupled with your willingness to dig yourself in and fight to the death over it. You can try to paint your banning as a vendetta or overreaction from the admins all you like but given what a bunch of moaners the average HLP users are you'd think that someone might have had something to say about it. Take a look at the monkey thread policy thread or the hosting policy thread if you don't think the members will start posting if they think that the admins are being arbitrary.
Except that in THIS case, I wasn't wrong. And I'm willing to fight to the death to defend that view. Nay, make it, fight BEYOND death..I'll even bet my eternal soul!
Just by what logic is my post so offensive in comparison to half the post out there (heck, even in comparison to half the posts that insult me it pales to insignificance)?
Even the post right after mine is just as insultive, if not more, since it wasn't a joke.
But fine, I see this is useless discussion either way, since it can't end good. I'm dropping the subject. You happy now?
Actually I feel it's quite appropriate. You're 5 posts in and counting. :p
A clever little monkey, aren't we ;7
Once I take over the world, you'll be the first one to go!
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And I'm willing to fight to the death to defend that view. Nay, make it, fight BEYOND death..I'll even bet my eternal soul!
I'm dropping the subject. You happy now?
Nice.
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:lol:
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And I'm willing to fight to the death to defend that view. Nay, make it, fight BEYOND death..I'll even bet my eternal soul!
I'm dropping the subject. You happy now?
Nice.
Dropping the subject is not the same as telling the other guy he is right.
It's more like "I know I'm right and I'll defend that position, but now is not the time or the place...so I won't talk about...for now...here."
Common good and all that jazz.
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And I'm willing to fight to the death to defend that view. Nay, make it, fight BEYOND death..I'll even bet my eternal soul!
I'm dropping the subject. You happy now?
Nice.
Best laugh I've had all day. :lol:
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I like to make people laugh :P
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I dunno what this is all about but i find it entertaining nonetheless. It seems there's a lot of history behind it but it also looks like it's run it's course (hopefully). . . .
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Nah, he's only on his 8th post. Once he hits 10 we'll monkey him and that'll be the end of it.
Unless he's willing to concede that a) he was wrong about the FLDS case; and b) we were fully justified in banning him. Or he stops posting in this thread before reaching 10. But I very much doubt any of those three possibilities will happen. :)
I do appreciate thesizzler summing up that post. :lol: It succinctly captures TrashMan's impotent posturing amid logical incoherence.
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Nah, he's only on his 8th post. Once he hits 10 we'll monkey him and that'll be the end of it.
Unless he's willing to concede that a) he was wrong about the FLDS case; and b) we were fully justified in banning him. Or he stops posting in this thread before reaching 10. But I very much doubt any of those three possibilities will happen. :)
NEVAR! :P Only in your dreams!
Both a) and b) are totally wrong ... Oh and this is no 9..I'm counting too :drevil:
I do appreciate thesizzler summing up that post. :lol: It succinctly captures TrashMan's impotent posturing amid logical incoherence.
Isn't logic a funny little thing? How multi-sided, how .."lost" sometimes on some people..or at least appears to be.
EDIT: (still 9)
Defending a position implies an active plight to prove just how your position is correct, not just ignoring everyone with a contradicting viewpoint. While on blue-moon rarity, someone may genuinely end an argument because they see it's getting out of hand, 99% percent of the time it's just a convenient way to give up without the other side winning. In fact, it's become so common, that the other side practically has won when that happens. Noting your contradictions in your post, we are lead to believe that this situation is a member of the vast majority of times (well actually I'm not sure if this is ad hominem or not, but I'm not the greatest at this).
Defending something implies providing proof that you are correct. If the other side (or both sides) choses to ignore or not believe that, then that's pretty much everything one can do. The defense has done it's job.
I could repeat myself 200 times, but what's the point? The facts are there for anyone who is interested in the truth. It doesn't take a genious to notice that the "offending post" was an excuse, not the reason.
And in case you haven't noticed, I'm in a lose-lose situation here (more or less). If I persist, I'll get accused of trolling or get banned. If I pull out, I'll get accused of cowardice and loosing (brillisnt logic here I might add. Who cares about the facts, whoever pulls out first, loses)
. Not that baning means much to me at this point, but it's better to be here when more mud is thrown my way..at least I can defend myself to a degree from the negative image that's being painted of me.
@Kaj - I'm not leaving instantly. I still got a lot of free time on my hands and HLP has been my daily stop for...8 years?. Old habbits die hard.. it's like quiting smoking - you first reduce the number of smokes a day, then quit.
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You can't let it go. 9...
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I actually think banning was a *little* harsh in that situation ... monkeying would not be in this situation, however.
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You can't let it go. 9...
Of course not. The "I am leaving" ploy is a classic one.
I actually think banning was a *little* harsh in that situation ... monkeying would not be in this situation, however.
Bear in mind that it was simply the last of a long line of such occurrences.
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It'll be interesting to see what he (Trashman) thinks of his own posts a few years from now. I wonder if maturity will change his viewpoint on his behavior?
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And I'm willing to fight to the death to defend that view. Nay, make it, fight BEYOND death..I'll even bet my eternal soul!
I'm dropping the subject. You happy now?
Nice.
Dropping the subject is not the same as telling the other guy he is right.
It's more like "I know I'm right and I'll defend that position, but now is not the time or the place...so I won't talk about...for now...here."
Common good and all that jazz.
Defending a position implies an active plight to prove just how your position is correct, not just ignoring everyone with a contradicting viewpoint. While on blue-moon rarity, someone may genuinely end an argument because they see it's getting out of hand, 99% percent of the time it's just a convenient way to give up without the other side winning. In fact, it's become so common, that the other side practically has won when that happens. Noting your contradictions in your post, we are lead to believe that this situation is a member of the vast majority of times (well actually I'm not sure if this is ad hominem or not, but I'm not the greatest at this).
And given the fact that the HLP admins already won and the quoted post was your last serious attempt at defending yourself, there is really no reason to monkey you because you've already subconsciously admitted defeat and haven't actually done anything wrong since the debate ended. Of course, that said, I'm not quite sure why I'm saying this, unless I'm wrong and we actually haven't won, which leads me to believe that the victor of debates is highly subjective, and while one side may appear to be pretty much dead, the debate isn't over until both are satisfied that they've done all they can do.
Thus, it must be asked: Can the admins monkey trashman for failing at logic?
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:nervous:
EDIT:It'll be interesting to see what he (Trashman) thinks of his own posts a few years from now. I wonder if maturity will change his viewpoint on his behavior?
If he's anything like a normal person, then he'll think he's the dumbest person alive. If anyone doesn't think they were an idiot a year or two ago, then they're probably not learning enough. Goodness knows I was stupid back then, and I'll likely think the same in the coming years. :p
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If he's anything like a normal person, then he'll think he's the dumbest person alive. If anyone doesn't think they were an idiot a year or two ago, then they're probably not learning enough. Goodness knows I was stupid back then, and I'll likely think the same in the coming years. :p
Much of the horror of life stems from the fact that this process, while highly educational, never stops.
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And by the time you learn enough to earn contemptment and peace. . . . . .you're too old to appreciate it and you get stuck in a home.
I've no idea what the FLDS issue is so i shall leave this topic to avoid confounding issues.
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It'll be interesting to see what he (Trashman) thinks of his own posts a few years from now. I wonder if maturity will change his viewpoint on his behavior?
It did for me when I first left HLP...
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EDIT: (still 9)
:wtf: That qualifies as a tenth post. You replied to something that was posted nearly 13 hours afterward.
Enjoy the simian society for a week.
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So that's what not to do... ;)
Ironically monkeyed in 10 posts :lol:
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There's nothing ironic about it. He had BlackDove as precedent, and we warned him ahead of time, and he still persisted in his ape-like antics. :D
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Well seeing as how Trashman's monkeyed, it would be rather pointless to continue the debate. I guess I only get to win by default... :sigh:
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What does the recycling symbol by the thread title in Unread Posts mean?
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I think it's the refresh button
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tinfoil thinks that's where Kara's gonna put Trashy :beamz:
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What does the recycling symbol by the thread title in Unread Posts mean?
Wow, I jumped from page 5 to page 6 and it was like jumping into an entirely different thread ;) :p
I actually have no idea what that little symbol means to be honest, the others are listed at the bottom of the forum, but not that one.
Maybe it just means 'circular argument in progress....' ;)
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My guess is that it indicates a split thread, but I'm not sure.
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No, I don't think, as it was on the Word Association thread.
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spam?
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Well at lest the thread can only improve now that Goob monkeyed BlackDove
although i must say he is good for a laugh every now and then
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I say we change Goobers Avatar to this:-
(http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/8246/180pxcountvoncount1om.jpg)
'Ten! a-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!'
;)
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:lol:
But it doesn't have the HLP logo in it...
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I say we change Goobers Avatar to this:-
(http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/8246/180pxcountvoncount1om.jpg)
'Ten! a-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!'
;)
go for it
i would if i could but i am currently at the lowest level of equality and therefore can only be yelled at by the likes of you :nod:
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Well, it'd have to be done by another Admin, which is why I can get away with suggesting it, because I'm not the one who'd actually have to do it ;)
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(http://www.aqsx85.dsl.pipex.com/Count.jpg)
hehehehe
Edit: There's a tiny bit missing off his hand, but what do you expect in ten minutes ;)
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:lol:
This should be done ;)
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On the one hand it was funny. :D On the other hand it establishes a dangerous precedent. :nervous:
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That's scary.
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:wakka: Awesome.
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1 Monkey, 2 Monkeys...3 HLP Monkeys!!!!
'ah 'ah 'ah 'ah!!!!
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I propose all admins and mods get sesame street avatars.
:wakka:
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It has been changed :nervous:
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:lol::lol::lol::lol:
I can't believe it actually happened.
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I can, the admins get loopy every now and then.
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:lol: It happened.
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can i has AVATARZ pl0z
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can i has AVATARZ pl0z
Joo already has badgers badgez.
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good
that evil corrupt monster :p gave me my title
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10! 'Ah! 'Ah! 'Ah! 'Ah! 'Ah!
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:lol: A dirty trick. I'd ban karajorma for this if he wasn't already.
I think I'll keep the new avatar for a few days. :drevil:
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Holy ****. It suits you so well Gooby :D
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Watcha gonna do now Gooby :D (yeah i hate my title)
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:lol: A dirty trick. I'd ban karajorma for this if he wasn't already.
I think I'll keep the new avatar for a few days. :drevil:
Hell I'd have kept it permanently had it been me who banned Trashman. :D But then I've always quite liked The Count. :D
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(yeah i hate my title)
At least you have a title :lol:
Btw, How'd Snail get a neutral title like SC 5 anyway?
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I warn you be careful what you ubernecro http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,54359.msg1098703.html#msg1098703 (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,54359.msg1098703.html#msg1098703)
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SC 5 = Shivan Cargo = S-Cargo = You do the math...
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I warn you be careful what you ubernecro http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,54359.msg1098703.html#msg1098703 (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,54359.msg1098703.html#msg1098703)
Be glad. To have a title with your number of posts, you've done something special
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Some guy got a title on his first post a while ago.
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Some guy got a title on his first post a while ago.
Must have been an idiot.
Or someone who just appeared and released something epic.
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Some guy got a title on his first post a while ago.
Must have been an idiot.
Or someone who just appeared and released something epic.
I think it was the latter, he did some coding for widescreen support IIRC!
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wheras i was just and idiot ;7
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How did you get that title anyway?
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He bumped an old thread I think.
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SC 5 = Shivan Cargo = S-Cargo = You do the math...
I still don't see how snail cargo 5 is funny.
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S-Cargo=escargot
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:wtf:
That's a lame joke.
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bumped a 5 year old thread by accident :P
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:wtf:
That's a lame joke.
Tell zat to the Goober.
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bumped a 5 year old thread by accident :P
:wtf:
How did you "accidentally" do that??
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i didn't think it was that old
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But where the hell did you find it???
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in unread posts thing at the top of the page only like 3 pages in it was weird :confused:
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I bumped the oldest thread on HLP by accident. I was looking for the oldest thread and then found it. I had to leave. I came back later, thought "Hey, this is cool!" and posted.
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is that how you got your title?
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No, I think the easily fooled came from the FS3 thing.
Well, at least, that's where I see the correlation.
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http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,53721.0.html
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i thought it would be one of those 2
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I still don't see what bumping an old thread has to do with wetting yourself ... :wtf:
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:wtf:
That's a lame joke.
I actually think it rather clever, I must say.
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I still don't see what bumping an old thread has to do with wetting yourself ... :wtf:
niether do i
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Well, the last person to necro a 3+ year old thread got the title "I eat paste!" So I was going for a common theme.
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And that common theme would be... :wtf:
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A poor attempt to make a meme?
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5 year olds.
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Goober, which Spartan did you give the title "Can't Tell Time"? Wasn't he/she/it/whatever the one who bumped a thread that was quite a few years old?
Found it. (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,9568.msg884706.html#msg884706)
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Why ask in a thread? why can't that be handled in a PM?
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Why ask in a thread? why can't that be handled in a PM?
Too inconvenient. This thread is about Monkeying, so it should be all right.
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Why ask in a thread? why can't that be handled in a PM?
Well I for one would have preferred a question like that on this thread rather than in a PM. That way if someone other than me remembers the answer they can post it.