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Title: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on June 06, 2008, 06:01:04 am
You guys asked me for dirty TIEs, well, here's the next best thing

STOP!!! Seriously read this thread before you ask what this thing is, it's already been answered.
-Chief


(http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1369/diewingrender01dj0.jpg)
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Wobble73 on June 06, 2008, 07:03:02 am
I'm assuming from the Skull and crossbones on the cockpit that this is some kind of pirate/smuggler/bounty hunter's ship, using an old TIE prototype or summat!
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Shade on June 06, 2008, 07:32:06 am
Oohh, a DIE. Worst possible combination of engines and cockpit imaginable. I like it ;)
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Galemp on June 06, 2008, 08:11:33 am
Ooh, I love the grinning faces. Reminds me of the Mega Missile.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: chief1983 on June 06, 2008, 09:22:27 am
Wobble, it's the  DIE-Wing, one of the 'Uglies' of Star Wars.  Do a little googling and you'll find info.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Wobble73 on June 06, 2008, 09:29:11 am
Ahh!, believe or not, never played any of the X-wing/TIE fighter games, and I certainly didn't see that in any of the films. Looks cool though!
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on June 06, 2008, 02:16:55 pm
It's mostly from the novels.  As chief said, check it out on google.

I really wanted to give the model some irony, making it look really badass when it's about the worst ship anyone could come up with.  It really has no redeeming features whatsoever.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Titan on June 06, 2008, 04:27:42 pm
it's an ugly... yay!

if you take a week off from work, we'll have SWC in a month.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on June 06, 2008, 04:29:35 pm
Haha, no we wouldn't.  If I take a week off from work then I can't afford my bills, and I'd have no electricity to run my computer nor home to put it in.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Titan on June 06, 2008, 04:39:11 pm
... hmmmm....


my dads gone through nearly a job a year since 2003... companies keep getting bought out by bigger companies, he went with them, then went to GE, than left several weeks ago. now he works for the goverment with advanced hushety-hush crap.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on June 06, 2008, 05:16:56 pm
That's... great.

So, anyone have anything to say on topic?
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: colecampbell666 on June 06, 2008, 05:24:05 pm
Sexy. You're the new Scooby, and I like the styling of your models better.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on June 07, 2008, 04:40:54 am
Hehe, thank you.

Got a new version of the texture, mostly just minute differences, toned down the skull and crossbones up top and added some kill markings, though I'm debating whether to put them beside the cockpit, where they're hardly visible, or across the front of the engine pods above the grinning teeth, where they might get some distortion.

Hmm, good question...
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Colonol Dekker on June 07, 2008, 07:25:57 am
You gonna make any more uglies? (Either established or custom.)
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Vasudan Admiral on June 07, 2008, 08:53:24 am
Hmpf. You're going too fast. I feel all slow now. :p

Lovely work. :)
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Turambar on June 07, 2008, 09:22:16 am
Hmpf. You're going too fast. I feel all slow now. :p

Lovely work. :)

pfft try being in the same mod as him.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Stormkeeper on June 07, 2008, 11:14:20 am
.. What the ... What .. What is that thing ? Offspring of a TiE and Y-Wing ?
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Turambar on June 07, 2008, 11:16:15 am
it's an Ugly

pirate forces who can't afford fighters do what they can by sticking together parts of fighters that they find or salvage.  the result: Uglies.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Stormkeeper on June 07, 2008, 11:17:35 am
... X-Wing and a TiE ... Hmmm.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Turambar on June 07, 2008, 11:20:43 am
there's a variant in one book which is an X-wing body with TIE wings

there's another variant that the Twi'lek use called a deathseed, which has a TIE ball, with the X-wing's 4 wings around it.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Stormkeeper on June 07, 2008, 11:21:52 am
I wonder why the Rebs never came up with idea like this.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: colecampbell666 on June 07, 2008, 11:22:36 am
This is a rebel fighter.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Stormkeeper on June 07, 2008, 11:25:50 am
... Really ?
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Colonol Dekker on June 07, 2008, 11:26:23 am
My favourite ugly by miles is the x-wing chassis with tie interceptor wings. Any chance :) ?
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Turambar on June 07, 2008, 11:47:01 am
I wonder why the Rebs never came up with idea like this.

cause Uglies have awful performance and die very fast
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Titan on June 07, 2008, 11:51:16 am
it would be a waste of parts.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: chief1983 on June 07, 2008, 01:25:39 pm
An X-Wing body with TIE wings...assuming those are TIE Fighter and not Interceptor wings, anyone see a functionality issue there?

This is not a rebel fighter.

Sorry, but fixed.  Rebel != Pirate.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Colonol Dekker on June 07, 2008, 01:33:11 pm
Google image search. The X-Wing interceptor looks great and it still has it's blasters. :)
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on June 07, 2008, 02:33:26 pm
Hehe, yes I'll be doing more of these, I'm currently normal mapping Tura's X-Wing and when I'm done that I'll probably start giving it some inbred bastard children of its own
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Titan on June 07, 2008, 02:45:16 pm
oooh, let us see that when you're done.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on June 07, 2008, 02:48:41 pm
All good things come to those who wait
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Titan on June 07, 2008, 02:56:23 pm
looked up some stuff at wookiepedia, found this:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Uglies

and in fact, there was x-wing bodies with normal TIE wings. twin (non-TIE) laser cannons were put on in place of the X's warhead launchers, thouhg often the x's lasers were mounted on the body. though, frankly, that seems pointless, because having the body and lasers implies you have a whole X in the first place.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Scourge of Ages on June 07, 2008, 03:19:49 pm
Hey, I would think that the DIE would be pretty decent. It's got the massive Y-Wing engines without the massive Y-Wing weight slowing it down. 'Course, it's been a while since I read the novels; that's just my thought. Looks sweet though for a flying target though.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Droid803 on June 07, 2008, 03:30:57 pm
DIEs aren't called DIEs without a reason. Its cause you DIE in them more often than not.
Its actually got 4 engines (the two from the TIE and two from the Y), but no solar panels to power them...which means...it probably can't get much juice for its systems.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on June 07, 2008, 03:52:58 pm
Quote
TYE-wings combined the ball cockpit and wing braces of the TIE Fighter with the engine nacelles from the Y-wing. They were armed with two TIE fighter laser cannons, usually had a functional TIE sensor package, and had fair maneuverability. Unfortunately, they had no shields, and although they were faster than many uglies, they were quite slow compared to most mass-produced fighters.

The TYE-wing essentially combined the key weaknesses of both the TIE fighter and the Y-wing, yet had the strengths of neither. Many pilots dubbed them "DIE-wings", as the survival rate of TYE-Wing pilots was appallingly low.

From the Wiki. 
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Scourge of Ages on June 07, 2008, 04:07:05 pm
lol yeah, I guess I forgot that the Y-Wing's power source was on that part that the ugly doesn't have.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Titan on June 07, 2008, 05:07:15 pm
one would think they would use the Y-TIE, with the Y's body and the tie's solar panels, 'twas supposedly far better... but these were made from spare parts or scavenged from crashed fighters... i wouldn't be surprised if few of the tie's solar panels survied the crash...
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on June 07, 2008, 05:16:05 pm
Well, the point of uglies is a lack of parts.  If they had the engines of the Y Wing, the Body of a Y Wing, the solar panels of a TIE and the Body of a TIE, they probably wouldn't make 2 inbred hybrids, they'd probably just rebuild a Y-Wing and a TIE Fighter.

They're desparation designs.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Titan on June 07, 2008, 05:21:13 pm
still, more and varied ugly designs would make it more realistic...
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on June 07, 2008, 06:45:32 pm
TYE-Wing, Y-TIE Fighter, Z-Ceptor, X-Ceptor, X-TIE, Deathseed, Clutch fighter, those are off the top of my head...
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: chief1983 on June 07, 2008, 07:19:19 pm
Right, sorry Dekker.  Missed the part where you said 'interceptor', just read it as 'TIE'.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Mad Bomber on June 07, 2008, 11:12:31 pm
Excellent work on the DIE. :D

I for one would also love to see the Z-Ceptor and the Clutch.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Colonol Dekker on June 08, 2008, 12:34:59 am
No worries chief :) i actually saw my first ugly on the mecha page on 4chan. Instant :jaw: it was only after some swift google work that i realised it was canon too :) i had no idea you guys were gonna add them to this. Yet another tick in the box. Any ugly starships? :nervous:
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Skullar on June 08, 2008, 07:51:25 am
No wonder you don't come up with ANYTHING, you waste your time rendering fake fighters ;)

Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: colecampbell666 on June 08, 2008, 07:58:14 am
What? Who are you referring to?
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on June 08, 2008, 04:51:09 pm
Sorry, we'll stop work on the art now Skullar.  In fact, let's just release what we've got now, a special edition just for you =P
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Colonol Dekker on June 08, 2008, 04:53:02 pm
I hope you're joking. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: colecampbell666 on June 08, 2008, 06:22:58 pm
No, I don't think he is. The SWC is released.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: TopAce on June 09, 2008, 07:32:51 am
I hope you're joking. :rolleyes:

Star Wars fans are dead serious people. We believe in the Force, we believe in our righteousness to follow our consciousness, and most importantly, we admire a different god, named Lucas. On a side note, we are sarcastic, too. :P
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Snail on June 09, 2008, 07:44:34 am
You know, I think Lucas killed someone and scooped their brains out, which is where he got all his ideas.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Titan on June 09, 2008, 09:12:54 am
then he got hungry because he didn't get popcorn before he went into the theatre to see some crazy muppets/teletubbies/slapstick extravaganza, and so he had to eat the brain. and then he plagerised the movie he had just watched. it explains episode 6...

i just get so pissed by that fact that, he could've had a great prequel trilogy if he had worked with the novels (which had explicantly let open into his universe with the intent of them making CANON information. but he didn't do s*** to make it intertwine with the prequels). THe problems range from things as small as the republic has no dreadnoughts to the other problems i can't think of right now.

@Brandx0 [reporter with microphone] Sir, Sir! What will you do next now that your work has stupified a number of HLPers with it's beauty? [/reporter with microphone]
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on June 09, 2008, 02:12:57 pm
I'm gonna conquer the world!
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: chief1983 on June 09, 2008, 04:41:50 pm
Aw we do that every night Brand, can't we just take a vacation in Europe for a change?
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Colonol Dekker on June 09, 2008, 04:58:25 pm
Aw we do that every night Brand, can't we just take a vacation in Europe for a change?

Like the Anit-Pinky and the brain... :lol:
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Turey on June 09, 2008, 06:25:49 pm
What are you planning for the next ugly? Can I persuade you to do the Deathseed next?
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on June 09, 2008, 06:29:08 pm
Sure, why not.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: CaptJosh on June 09, 2008, 06:55:49 pm
But of course the first ugly modeled just had to the the TIE/Y-wing cross known as the DIE-wing  I always wanted to see something that modeled that after having read about them in the books that are post Zhan Trilogy.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Colonol Dekker on June 09, 2008, 07:00:57 pm
I'm sure there are pictures under google or teh wookiepedia :)
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: CaptJosh on June 09, 2008, 07:02:24 pm
Well, while I wanted to see images of the uglies, I wasn't quite desperate enough about it to go hunt them down.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: chief1983 on June 09, 2008, 07:14:34 pm
Heh, Turey, I asked him to do the Chir'daki on IRC a couple days ago too :)
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Hades on June 09, 2008, 11:10:42 pm
Wow really good fighter. Is this a pirate's fighter or just a Imperial design that is supposed to be cost effective and cheap?
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on June 10, 2008, 12:52:52 am
I think reading the rest of the thread would be a good idea, the question has been asked and answered
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: TopAce on June 10, 2008, 08:40:19 am
Aren't cost effective and cheap synonyms?
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: chief1983 on June 10, 2008, 08:52:16 am
Yes, and with their vastly different connotations they're not typically used together like that anyway.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Hades on June 10, 2008, 10:24:31 am
Whoops. That is what I get for posting at 12:00 my time.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: CaptJosh on June 10, 2008, 04:46:55 pm
Uglies are typically pirate fighters, because pirates can't afford real starfighters from Rendili et al. The so-called DIE-wing is the worst of the lot, combining the absolute worst features of the TIE fighter and Y-wing. i.e., it's slow AND it has no shields.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: MR_T3D on June 26, 2008, 05:24:44 pm
it;s great for advanced player that want to show-off, though.

and with all 3 engines, it SHOULD be rather fast
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on June 26, 2008, 05:35:19 pm
Quote from the Wookie:

Quote
TYE-wings combined the ball cockpit and wing braces of the TIE Fighter with the engine nacelles from the Y-wing. They were armed with two TIE fighter laser cannons, usually had a functional TIE sensor package, and had fair maneuverability. Unfortunately, they had no shields, and although they were faster than many uglies, they were quite slow compared to most mass-produced fighters.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Stormkeeper on June 26, 2008, 09:32:05 pm
:nervous: :D

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Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: chief1983 on June 26, 2008, 11:53:39 pm
SK, wasn't there a mention of some rule about not beaming people unless you also added to the conversation at hand?

And Brand's right, the DIE-Wing lacks the powerplant that's typically connected to the Y's nacelles and the panels typically connected to the TIE's thrusters, so they both operate far below spec.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Stormkeeper on June 27, 2008, 12:23:07 am
Soz. I keep forgetting.

Since the fighter is basically welded together, I doubt they'd hold up well in combat either. The only kick you'd get out of flying the DIE-Wing is the novelty of flying such a unique fighter ... up until you get into a dogfight, that is.



Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: colecampbell666 on June 27, 2008, 03:40:30 pm
Normal fighters are welded together. And if you did a good enough job on an ugly...
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on June 27, 2008, 04:26:03 pm
The point of uglies is that they're NOT as good as mass produced fighters.  I don't imagine that if you welded the wings of an F-14 on the body of a MiG-25 that it'd be a very good fighter, or fly at all for that matter.

One could argue the benefits of such modifications to death, but the point in the end is that in Star Wars canon, uglies suck.  It's a fact.  We'll have models for some because for the most part, they make great cannon fodder.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: LordMelvin on July 01, 2008, 01:48:42 pm
I like the pictures. Pretty pretty. Oooooooh...

Did you mean to have the writing on the port nacelle shield backwards like that, though? It looks like you just mirrored the starboard and the words got all backwardsedized.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on July 01, 2008, 01:54:23 pm
Yeah, it was an experiment, it's since been removed.
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Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 02, 2008, 06:58:54 pm
I tend to prefer the look of the reb hull + tie panelled uglies over t'other type.
Brand x i meant to ask what prog do you use to uv map out of curiousity?
Also do uglies perform below the Z95s capabilities or roundabouts?
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on July 02, 2008, 07:03:35 pm
I UV Map in Max
As for the capabilities, I'm not sure but I'd imagine they'd be worse than the Z-95.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Colonol Dekker on July 02, 2008, 07:06:10 pm
:lol: i'll stick to my plan to buy a YT-2400 then.
Cheers i'm still getting to grips with max but i'm ok with lithunwrap. :yes:
Night all.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on July 02, 2008, 09:30:40 pm
Quote
TYE-wings combined the ball cockpit and wing braces of the TIE Fighter with the engine nacelles from the Y-wing. They were armed with two TIE fighter laser cannons, usually had a functional TIE sensor package, and had fair maneuverability. Unfortunately, they had no shields, and although they were faster than many uglies, they were quite slow compared to most mass-produced fighters.

     Where's that info come from? Wookie-pedia or something? (which I've never heard of).
     Only time I heard of uglies is when the Falcon was doing the blackhole run in the Admiral Dala series and some pirates came and got their butts killed. Didn't know there was any canon information about 'em.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on July 02, 2008, 09:36:16 pm
Wookiepedia is the star wars wiki.  It's usually pretty good about canon, there's quite a few canon nazis who are administrators so the info is generally reliable.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on July 03, 2008, 01:40:16 pm
    How do you get the fighters looking so smooth? Even when I put a lot of detail into my models they still look very geometric http://knossos.firenebula.com/temporary/saxum/saxum_01.jpg (http://knossos.firenebula.com/temporary/saxum/saxum_01.jpg). Is that due to the normal maps?

Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on July 03, 2008, 02:37:41 pm
Smooth groups are your friend.  You need to find the faces that you want to not have sharp edges and assign them to the same smooth group.
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Post by: maje on July 03, 2008, 08:06:53 pm
You may also want to experiment with lighting, background, and anti-aliasing quality.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on July 03, 2008, 09:13:33 pm
Okay cool I'll look into it.

Thanks
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on July 04, 2008, 04:55:48 am
Personally, I use the VRay renderer for my images.  I use the catmull rom samplet and the adaptive haltron supersampler for my maps.  My scenes usually have 3 lights, a main light, a backlight and a fill light (I don't believe in ambient light)
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: chief1983 on July 04, 2008, 03:26:47 pm
I use the catmull rom samplet and the adaptive haltron supersampler for my maps.

If I didn't know you better I'd swear you were making that up.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on July 04, 2008, 03:31:47 pm
The first part should say "sampler" which can also be called a filter or anti-aliaser for the rendered image.  Catmull-rom is a sampler which gives that sharpness to my renders.  Adaptive Haltron is a supersampler, which is a filter that anti-aliases the maps themselves and prevents jagged edges.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Titan on July 05, 2008, 09:57:20 am
    How do you get the fighters looking so smooth? Even when I put a lot of detail into my models they still look very geometric http://knossos.firenebula.com/temporary/saxum/saxum_01.jpg (http://knossos.firenebula.com/temporary/saxum/saxum_01.jpg). Is that due to the normal maps?



what IS that anyway? it looks pretty cool...
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on July 05, 2008, 03:02:43 pm
    How do you get the fighters looking so smooth? Even when I put a lot of detail into my models they still look very geometric http://knossos.firenebula.com/temporary/saxum/saxum_01.jpg (http://knossos.firenebula.com/temporary/saxum/saxum_01.jpg). Is that due to the normal maps?



what IS that anyway? it looks pretty cool...

          Eh, don't want to derail any Star Wars thread here. But basically that's just a fighter for the Renegade Legion mod. Some Star-Wars esque universe FASA created when they didn't get the SW license for their boardgame. Couple more screenshots of models I've done are here: http://knossos.firenebula.com/temporary/renegade/ (http://knossos.firenebula.com/temporary/renegade/) (ignore the laserbay).

 
          In a while I need to start texturing some of my models. I hope I can get them at least half as pretty as these Star Wars ships look. I'll be looking at some of the Star Wars WIP screens for textures that for sure (hey guys, a tutorial would be super! hint hint). Though Scoob's got a nice tutorial in the modding forum already.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on July 05, 2008, 03:08:49 pm
You want a modeling tutorial or a texture tutorial? 
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on July 05, 2008, 03:15:28 pm
You want a modeling tutorial or a texture tutorial? 

      Hmmn. I'm sure a lot of people would love both. Though personally, I'd prefer a texturing one.
      My models seem to be 'okay', or at least no one is saying they're garbage yet. I just might be going a bit overboard in the curvature department, and could potentially represent it with lower polies and dif options perhaps like the smooth groups you mentioned.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on July 05, 2008, 03:21:26 pm
Well, what aspect of texturing would you like to see?  There's a lot of varied techniques I use for different things and so you'd need to break it down a bit more, it'd be too big of a tutorial.

See if you can look over my models and find a bit of the texture that you're unsure of how to achieve.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on July 05, 2008, 03:27:48 pm
Well, what aspect of texturing would you like to see?  There's a lot of varied techniques I use for different things and so you'd need to break it down a bit more, it'd be too big of a tutorial.

See if you can look over my models and find a bit of the texture that you're unsure of how to achieve.

       Hmmn, yeah that's probably the best idea. I'll give texturing a shot and then get back to you, ask some questions in an individual thread on how you get something just so. I want to finish a certain batch of models first though, so it might be a while :)

        That Deathseed ships looks pretty damn cool btw, dunno if that was yours or someone else's.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on July 05, 2008, 03:59:47 pm
It's my TIE cockpit with Turambar's X-wing's S-foils.

Tell ya what, I'll break it down into a few areas I could do:

Workflow
Normal Mapping
Weathering
Rendering WIP images
Rendering Final images

If you have any other ideas lemme know, I've had a few people asking for various tutorials so maybe it'll be something I can do in my spare time.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on July 05, 2008, 04:35:24 pm
It's my TIE cockpit with Turambar's X-wing's S-foils.

Tell ya what, I'll break it down into a few areas I could do:

Workflow
Normal Mapping
Weathering
Rendering WIP images
Rendering Final images

If you have any other ideas lemme know, I've had a few people asking for various tutorials so maybe it'll be something I can do in my spare time.

       Hmmn, I think general Workflow might be the most helpful to start off with for most people.  And then one could build up from there. Thought the internet is populated with quite a few tutorials already, it would be cool to have some Freespace specific ones. I noticed that there's not really much of anything on the Wiki. I could volunteer to throw any tutorial you make on the wiki after it's done.
        That's something I can do in my sparetime, put some more stuff on the wiki. There's basic FS2 modelling tutorials from years past floating around on different websites but most people don't seem to know about them. I think I'll grab a few of them and throw them up there when I get the inclination.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on July 05, 2008, 04:40:31 pm
Well for texturing I can't really tell you anything specific about Freespace.  Texturing usually isn't too engine-specific.

As for general workflow I can definitely do something like that.  I'll start coming up with it.  They'll be photoshop specific, but I'm sure most of what I'll talk about is pretty universal.  I take more of an artistic approach to things than a technical one. 
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on July 05, 2008, 05:12:25 pm
Well for texturing I can't really tell you anything specific about Freespace.  Texturing usually isn't too engine-specific.

       Yeah that's true. But what I meant moreso was that, texturing something mechanical (specifically spacecraft). I think most, general modellers gear their tutorials towards humanoid characters and the like. Or perhaps environments. And while there are certainly basic principles that apply to both, texturing say an Orc and a B-Wing require slightly different approaches I'm sure (or different tools).
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on July 05, 2008, 05:24:02 pm
Absolutely, my tutorials will focus on what I do best, technical stuff like spaceships with greebles.

Now I just gotta start writing.

Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Vidmaster on July 11, 2008, 02:37:11 pm
DIEs to die for.  Oh and the X-Wing Novels rock, I got all. Best StarWars book series.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Titan on July 11, 2008, 02:58:55 pm
lucky. the nearest library to me as the 1st and 4th ones; every other library in my county ha none, an the local barnes and nobel aren't expecting any for at least 2 months...
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: chief1983 on July 11, 2008, 06:11:36 pm
Have you tried Amazon?  They're very cheap probably.  Or does your dad think Amazon will steal your monies?
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: KewlToyZ on July 16, 2008, 12:29:48 pm
Just out of curiosity, what modeling software and conversion techniques are you using to create the FS2 pof files?
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Stormkeeper on July 16, 2008, 12:43:31 pm
I think brandx0 uses ... 3dsmax, and there's a plugin to export to .pof format.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: chief1983 on July 16, 2008, 02:40:25 pm
Yes, he uses 3D Studio Max, and there is a plugin, although he hasn't used it yet, at least not to my knowledge.  None of his models are in game yet.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: KewlToyZ on July 16, 2008, 03:31:10 pm
OK, because I only have MAX 4, so far I only had one model export without textures to a POF.
Now I cant remember if I did it using 3D Exploration changing a 3DS to COB then PCS to POF or whether I succeeded with the POF converter. I read through the conversion posts and it appeared to only work for Max 4.2, in which case I cannot find the Service Pack for version 4 to upgrade anywhere.  :eek2:
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Harbinger of DOOM on July 23, 2008, 12:57:37 pm
I like the Z-ceptor and the Death seed, m'self.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: MR_T3D on August 02, 2008, 06:06:39 pm
that is the second sexiest fighter concieved (guess the sexiest)
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: SPARTAN-367 on August 02, 2008, 06:25:29 pm
You guys asked me for dirty TIEs, well, here's the next best thing

STOP!!! Seriously read this thread before you ask what this thing is, it's already been answered.
-Chief


(http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1369/diewingrender01dj0.jpg)

Looks like a Mountable Turret... :P
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: KewlToyZ on August 03, 2008, 03:30:28 pm
that is the second sexiest fighter concieved (guess the sexiest)
A Viper :p
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Colonol Dekker on August 03, 2008, 05:41:51 pm
No it's an Erinyes with interceptor wings :nervous:
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: aRaven on August 04, 2008, 07:04:03 am
I though it was a TIE ball with Y-Wing engines :P
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: KewlToyZ on August 04, 2008, 08:02:56 pm
Yup that pretty much sums it up.
Improvising from wreckage I guess??? :D
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: chief1983 on August 05, 2008, 12:51:51 am
Yup, it's whatever a pirate organization can get its hands on.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: KewlToyZ on August 10, 2008, 09:26:10 pm
I just dig the smiley faces.... :D
Needs some really big cannons with "Have a nice day!" painted down the sides :P
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: chief1983 on August 10, 2008, 10:16:31 pm
Actually having ordnance that's half as 'colorful' as this would be pretty neat.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: colecampbell666 on August 10, 2008, 10:28:45 pm
You mean like an ugly bomb?
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: chief1983 on August 11, 2008, 01:43:21 am
No, like bombs with "Sayonara, suckah" painted on the side.  No one would ever see it but we would know it's there :)
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Stormkeeper on August 11, 2008, 02:46:59 am
No, like bombs with "Sayonara, suckah" painted on the side.  No one would ever see it but we would know it's there :)
I read a book once, where the bomb loaders for some Terran Confederacy painted messages on the bombs like, "This one's for my mum." and "Here, catch!"
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Snail on August 11, 2008, 03:22:11 am
Someone released Cyclops bombs with happy faces on the front a while ago. Shouldn't be too hard to make (or find).
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on August 11, 2008, 03:45:07 am
Famous in anime, the final scene in Macross DYRL contains a lone fighter streaking through the enemy mothership, dodging lasers and blasting it's way around.  It fires a volley of missiles, and one that streaks right by the screen is a Budweiser can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emcz1vlmyCI

At about 5:40 or so, it's tough to catch on Youtube, but it's there.  Covers about 80% of the screen for a couple frames.
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Wobble73 on August 11, 2008, 07:44:13 am
Famous in anime, the final scene in Macross DYRL contains a lone fighter streaking through the enemy mothership, dodging lasers and blasting it's way around.  It fires a volley of missiles, and one that streaks right by the screen is a Budweiser can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emcz1vlmyCI

At about 5:40 or so, it's tough to catch on Youtube, but it's there.  Covers about 80% of the screen for a couple frames.

That's it! Someone should make a Bosch Bomb! Shaped like a bottle of Bosch!  :lol:
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: Nohg on August 12, 2008, 12:25:03 am
I've got to say, nice Uglies!


The nose-art etc. really lets me imagine the pirate taking the time to spray it on just for the hell of it. Would you be planning on making a few alternates so a squadron of Uglies has  a wide deal of variety or insane amounts of kill silhouettes?
Title: Re: Man, That's One Ugly Fighter!
Post by: brandx0 on August 12, 2008, 06:02:52 am
I'll probably take some time to make various alternates.  They make a good diversion from the ISD so that I'm still working on something without getting bogged down.  I probably won't be making any alternate skins for the deathseed though, as it's supposed to be somewhat uniformely created