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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Retsof on August 10, 2008, 05:27:37 pm
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Okay, for one thing, we all know that the Vasudan language is very complex, thus the reason for translators. But wouldn't it be really easy for a Vasudan to learn Terran? (Hey they might not really speak English)
Next thing, would there ever be a situation where there was a Terran pilot and Vasudan copilot (or vice-versa)?
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Okay, for one thing, we all know that the Vasudan language is very complex, thus the reason for translators. But wouldn't it be really easy for a Vasudan to learn Terran? (Hey they might not really speak English)
Next thing, would there ever be a situation where there was a Terran pilot and Vasudan copilot (or vice-versa)?
1) It might actually be quite easy, but I just guess they don't bother
2) Yeah, officer exchange program.
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In the same fighter/bomber? I'd assume so.
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In the same fighter/bomber?
Yes.
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I think vasudans can learn English, it would just be very hard and they wouldn't be able to speak it.
humans can probably learn vasudan, but again they wouldn't be able to speak it.
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I think they'd be able to speak it, It'd just sound a little weird. (Do whatever effects are done to Vasudan speech with a normal sentence).
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Would their anatomy allow it? I'm not quite sure...
On the other hand, remember why Mackie was stationed in Tau Sigma? :lol:
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Would their anatomy allow it? I'm not quite sure...
It says somewhere in the FSRefBible that their vocal chords were unable to speak English. Either that, or I've gotten FS mixed up with SW, and I have to be burned at the stake after having been forced to drink a cup of rusty iron nails.
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It says somewhere in the FSRefBible that their vocal chords were unable to speak English. Either that, or I've gotten FS mixed up with SW, and I have to be burned at the stake after having been forced to drink a cup of rusty iron nails.
Well, we can't comprehend their language because the nature of their speech is determined by a lot of factors, including their proximity to the current emperor.
They can probably speak Terran Standard, but only that their voices are too coarse for us to understand it.
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They can probably speak Terran Standard, but only that their voices are too coarse for us to understand it.
Yeah, like Japanese people.
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:smilingwtf: (Yeah, I know it doesn't exist)
There's a file in the retail FS2 vps where you can hear a Vasudan saying "thank you". Not good. :no:
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There's a file in the retail FS2 vps where you can hear a Vasudan saying "thank you". Not good. :no:
Not as good as bup bup bup bup bup bup bup.
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There's a file in the retail FS2 vps where you can hear a Vasudan saying "thank you". Not good. :no:
Not as good as bup bup bup bup bup bup bup.
It never will be.
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Next thing, would there ever be a situation where there was a Terran pilot and Vasudan copilot (or vice-versa)?
It's stated at one point that most GTVA fighters have modular cockpit setups that can be swapped in and out for one species or the other. I don't know if this extends down to the crewmember level, but there's no practical reason to say it couldn't.
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Next thing, would there ever be a situation where there was a Terran pilot and Vasudan copilot (or vice-versa)?
It's stated at one point that most GTVA fighters have modular cockpit setups that can be swapped in and out for one species or the other. I don't know if this extends down to the crewmember level, but there's no practical reason to say it couldn't.
where does it say? I remember seeing somewhere either in the tech room briefing or mission briefing for the 53rd that the Myrmidon can be used by either species, but ive never heard of any other fighters than the myrmidon having that
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The Myrmidon is a Terran-Vasudan design, according to Captain Loukakis. That's why it's so curvy.
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where does it say? I remember seeing somewhere either in the tech room briefing or mission briefing for the 53rd that the Myrmidon can be used by either species, but ive never heard of any other fighters than the myrmidon having that
I believe it was mentioned during your officer exchange tour.
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The Myrmidon is a Terran-Vasudan design, according to Captain Loukakis. That's why it's so curvy.
then you could safely assume it could be used by either species, since the Vasudans would obviously want some part in something they helped out with
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...you don't see them flying Ulysses fighters...
But you have a point there. If the GTVA has the Officer Exchange Program, there must definitely be Vasudans flying in Terran ships, since the reverse is also true, as evidenced by the main campaign.
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Okay people, heres another one. Just how similar is Terran and Vasudan anatomy? If a Terran and Vasudan crashed somewhere would the Terran be able to patch up the injured Vasudan? (or vice-versa agian)
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Okay people, heres another one. Just how similar is Terran and Vasudan anatomy? If a Terran and Vasudan crashed somewhere would the Terran be able to patch up the injured Vasudan? (or vice-versa agian)
I don't think so, unless of course each one is trained in operating on the opposite species (do not post you-know-what).
They're both carbon-based, and they both seem to operate in the same basic way in respects to respiration and sensory functions (they have eyes and ears at least). So it'd be a bit like operating on an animal or something, they're not too alien (in fact something similar could develop on Earth I think) but still different from operating on a human.
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Unless they have been learnt in treating the injuries of the other species, I don't think so. However, there is a slight chance that they can treat each other, since Terrans and Vasudans are both two-legged creatures.
What Snail said.
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Okay people, heres another one. Just how similar is Terran and Vasudan anatomy? If a Terran and Vasudan crashed somewhere would the Terran be able to patch up the injured Vasudan? (or vice-versa agian)
Almost certainly, if you mean "patch up" in the first aid terms that seem most likely for the situation you describe. Their physiology would have to be incredibly radically different, to the point it was nothing like life as we know it, for the basic rules of stopping bleeding and preventing/treating shock to not apply. (Also probably other first aid stuff like treating hypothermia, burns, etc. I presume however it's pretty difficult to end up in a situation where you'd need to treat a Vasudan for dehydration or heat-related problems.) Since Vasudans evolved in an environment that was more arid but otherwise apparently very similar to Earth, there is absolutely no reason to think they'd have the kind of massive differences necessary to invalidate first aid techniques usable on humans.
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Besides. Wouldn't a Vasudan be able to "coordinate" the terran on how to do first aid to a vasudan? Or vice versa.
This could turn out as an interesting story/fic idea.
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Besides. Wouldn't a Vasudan be able to "coordinate" the terran on how to do first aid to a vasudan? Or vice versa.
That assumes the Vasudan isn't incapacitated.
First aid can probably be rendered, but surgery without knowledge of the anatomy is likely a different problem.
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This conversation is all moot. It's sci-fi. If these were scientifically plausible aliens, you'd be about as qualified to patch them up as you would be to administer first aid to a jellyfish.
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This could turn out as an interesting story/fic idea.
freespace enemy mine.
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This conversation is all moot. It's sci-fi. If these were scientifically plausible aliens, you'd be about as qualified to patch them up as you would be to administer first aid to a jellyfish.
There are only so many bubbles that can be burst, only so many dreams that can be shattered. :(
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On a completely unrelated note...
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that's messed up.
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That data is now outdated.
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It says somewhere in the FSRefBible that their vocal chords were unable to speak English. Either that, or I've gotten FS mixed up with SW, and I have to be burned at the stake after having been forced to drink a cup of rusty iron nails.
That would be wookiepedia the star wars wikipedia. In particular that vocal chord thing pertained to wookies. Take your choosing of burning at the stake or burning at the steak.
Well, we can't comprehend their language because the nature of their speech is determined by a lot of factors, including their proximity to the current emperor.
The factors that govern their speech is the exact same factors that govern our speech for all languages all over in the real world. V just tossed in all that language factor crap to make it seemingly impossible to learn vasudan. So in reality in the fs universe, vasudans just have the same speech factors as earth does.
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Wait ... what?
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From the Freespace Reference Bible:
Terran-Vasudan communication was relatively easy to establish, despite the fact that Vasudan vocal cords are unable to make the sounds needed to produce the English language (now refered to as “Terran Standard” by spacers).
Guess somebody else gets burned. :p
As for the language complications being made up. It's entirely possible all the different things mentioned would be in their language. Basically it's the concept of multiple levels of formality (present in many human languages, some in a very high degree) taken to an extreme. Would it make much sense to a human? Probably not.
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I want to learn Vasudan. If only I could. ****ing Klingon. Meh (and why the **** is Klingon registered in the Firefox Spell Checking dictionary? AAAAAAARRGghghghghghhh!!)
Wasn't there a thread saying how to say "read book" or something? Seriously, we should make the Vasudan language. Mobius can't be involved or he'll turn it into Latin Ultra Refined Rainbow Version. :D
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That'd be pretty awesome to do. Create a fanon Vasudan language.
Hard though...
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The factors that govern their speech is the exact same factors that govern our speech for all languages all over in the real world. V just tossed in all that language factor crap to make it seemingly impossible to learn vasudan. So in reality in the fs universe, vasudans just have the same speech factors as earth does.
So English is based on the day of the week, the month, and the spacial orientation of the speaker as compared to the Emperor? The closest human approximation I can think of, actually, is Navajo, which has so many different verb forms based on so many circumstances you'll go mad just trying to figure them out. A word eight characters long in its anglicized version, na'ildil, means roughly "You are accustomed to eat plural seperable objects one at a time." (Dear god, that's actually more words then there are characters in the Navajo word.) There was a very good reason why the Marines used native speakers of the langauge in WW2 as essentially human cryptographic machines: the langauge is so complex as to be totally impenetrable to an outsider, even after years of observation and analysis of context. Yes, you can learn it, but you would never manage to sound like a native speaker and it would take you at least a couple decades.
Now throw in the added complication of the langauge having been created by someone with non-human pyschology.
Learning Vasudan doesn't sound so easy anymore, does it?
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Learning Vasudan doesn't sound so easy anymore, does it?
What are you talking about? If learning Vasudan was so easy, we'll be speaking it right now. :wtf: :D
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Learning Vasudan doesn't sound so easy anymore, does it?
What are you talking about? If learning Vasudan was so easy, we'll be speaking it right now. :wtf: :D
Er, Vasudan would actually have to be a language first instead of just some sound effects.
And really, does anyone want to be more of a nerd fanboy than they already are? I mean, Klingon? Is there a more useless language to learn? I think not.
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Navajo
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Navajo
At least people actually speak navajo. Many of the native north american languages are dying but there are still some speakers. They were teaching Cree at my elementary school.
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So English is based on the day of the week, the month, and the spacial orientation of the speaker as compared to the Emperor? The closest human approximation I can think of, actually, is Navajo, which has so many different verb forms based on so many circumstances you'll go mad just trying to figure them out. A word eight characters long in its anglicized version, na'ildil, means roughly "You are accustomed to eat plural seperable objects one at a time." (Dear god, that's actually more words then there are characters in the Navajo word.) There was a very good reason why the Marines used native speakers of the langauge in WW2 as essentially human cryptographic machines: the langauge is so complex as to be totally impenetrable to an outsider, even after years of observation and analysis of context. Yes, you can learn it, but you would never manage to sound like a native speaker and it would take you at least a couple decades.
Now throw in the added complication of the langauge having been created by someone with non-human pyschology.
Learning Vasudan doesn't sound so easy anymore, does it?
NGTM-1R, i will clarify what i said already. The factors that govern their speech is the exact same factors that govern our speech for all languages all over in the real world. V just tossed in all that stuff to make it seemingly impossible to learn vasudan. When in fact the vasudan language when compared to earth's languages are governed by the same stuff. Anyway, NGTM-1R, you're talking about something completely different than what i was. You're talking about difficulty of the language where as i'm talking about stuff like dialects and accents.
The crowning achievement of the Vasudan civilization is its language. For the average Terran, the formalities governing its usage are beyond comprehension. Syntax and vocabulary are dictated by such factors as the speaker's age, rank, and caste, the time of day and the phase of the Vasudan calendar, and the relative spatial position of the speaker to the Emperor. This is further compounded by the existence of several alphabets, dozens of verb tenses, and thousands of dialects. A translation device is standard on all GTVA communications systems, enabling Terrans and Vasudans to mutually understand each other.
The formalities governing the vasudan language are anything but beyond comprehension and are the same formalities humans use. Syntax and vocabulary are very much in any language dictated by such factors as age, rank, and caste.
What does this mean?
It's obvious that elders don't speak the same way as children do. It obvious that you'd be speaking to your boss in a specific manner, and it's obvious you'd be speaking to your parents in a certain way too. Children say poop, older people say **** instead. You'd tell your boss, "righteo i'm on it". And you certainly don't want to dishonor your parents because you chose a bad way to speak to them.
As far as that goes, wow, earth languages have thousands of dialects, dozens of verb tenses, there's thousands of alphabets on earth too! How unbelievable!
People do speak differently at different times of the day as well as during different dates. As far as relative spatial position of the speaker to the emperor. Those who live with royal family and those who live near a royal family are going to be using a different vocabulary and dialect in the least.
As far as this goes. This just explains that V tries to make it seem that the vasudan language is uncomprehendable, but not really. I believe V chose a bad set of reasons that just stated that the zods language is governed by the stuff human languages are governed by. What V wrote about the vasudan language says nothing about whether it's vocally possible for humans to speak. At the same time since zod language is governed by the same rules as all earth languages a human can probably learn to understand zod without a translation device. And this is where i'll take your example into play. Learning to understand zod is definitely not akin to understanding spanish and probably more akin to trying to understand navajo.
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Terrans and Vasudans obviously have at least an understanding of each other's languages. Translation devices don't just pop out of nowhere.
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Jerix uul'resech'hrax. ;)
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Research Hacks?
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Speaking of Vasudans, does anyone hear "Super Star Destroyer" in the Psamtik's main hall?
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You can clearly make out "you're a thief" in a voice file from one of the ST multiplayer missions.
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Speaking of Vasudans, does anyone hear "Super Star Destroyer" in the Psamtik's main hall?
Uh, no...
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Uh, no...
There is, the file is called V_Pa_01.wav. It does sound a bit like Super Star Destroyer. I'm just wondering if I can find "It's a trap!!" anywhere.
Jerix uul'resech'hrax. ;)
bzzt bzzt bbzzzzztbzzt bzzzt bzzt bzzt bzzzt
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I've thought on the Vasudan language recently, and I think it might be related to their governmental structure (go with me on this).
Vasuda is a desert planet, and that kind of means travel between the various tribes of pre-space flight Vasuda was probably limited at best (who wants to trudge across the desert where the surface water is more than undrinkable?). So the various "tribes" (for lack of a better term) probably didn't have a great deal of contact with each other, which means they developed their own languages (just like us, actually).
However, at some point, one rose to the top and that's where the Emperor can trace his linage. While some of the take over was likely by conquest, some was probably peaceful, meaning wiping out the local culture and language was not possible. "Ambassadors" from the various tribes within the newly formed Vasudan empire would bring their language to the Emperor's court, but it's possible and likely the Emperor only wanted to hear his own language, so they would have to speak it there.
Now fast forward through the next 10,000 years, and the location of the various tribes, their status and such shifts and moves, and then formalizes, and thus the languages become formalized in the same way. If you're in the Emperor's presense, you speak the language of the imperial court, but if you're further out, you speak a different language, and farther out a different one, then other things, probably holidays and such, get into the mix and the language explodes in size and complexity.
So, what is likely is the Vasudan langauge ISN'T one langauge, but multiple languages that got mixed together. How does this relate to the government? Those ambassadors likely spoke to one another quite often, and eventually formed the first Vasudan Parliment, and eventually they pulled a Magna Carta on the Emperor and took over control.
So if you want to learn Vasudan, you would basically have to learn EVERY one of their languages, which is akin to learning every language on Earth. Not easy, by a long shot. Probably the only thing that would help is that there are probably a few more common languages (perhaps even a one for Vasudans who live outside of Vasuda Prime) that one could learn, but to truly learn Vasudan would take a talented person.
It's just a thought and theory, nothing more. Would explain a few things.
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Makes sense, even from a human perspective. It's similar to the relationship between Latin and various other European languages a few hundred years ago. Intellectuals debated and spoke to one another in Latin, but went home and spoke German/English/French.
Of course that's a simple way to understand it, and add on many, many more languages and it makes sense that it's almost indecipherable for Terrans.
The "rules" of the Conversation might have something to do with deciding on which language to speak in. If you meet a stranger, you might not know which language to speak in, so there are certain formalities you must go through to decide. A Terran would just want to find a common language, and not care how.
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Makes tons of sense. I like this. :yes:
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This goes for the Terrans as well. If Freespace was real, would they really have settled on English being their base language for the GTA?
Every country is proud of its own language.
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This goes for the Terrans as well. If Freespace was real, would they really have settled on English being their base language for the GTA?
Every country is proud of its own language.
I suspect the Americans nuked everyone somewhere down the line.
Or maybe everyone just learned English as the language everyone speaks while in space, as it's a simple language to learn (compared to some other languages) and it was already widespread. Lots of European countries teach English as a second language. Maybe the people in the GTVA all speak English, just not as a first language.
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Either they have translators everywhere, or english is the national language. After all, it says in the tech room that the terrans have reached globalisation and became a single nation. Would make sense that english or some other language would be of prime importance and used everywhere, and the original languages taught as secondary ones.
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English is already the universal language of aviation. Every commercial pilot is required to speak it.
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Then its not too hard to assume that space pilots need to know english too when the civilization is space-faring.
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Or maybe everyone just learned English as the language everyone speaks while in space, as it's a simple language to learn (compared to some other languages) and it was already widespread.
Eh, I don't think English is a particularly easy language to learn considering its the bastard child of french and germanic old english. But then again I'm not ESL. Anything's easy when you grow up speaking it.
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Goober's right, it's the international language of aviation. It makes sense that it would continue into space as well. The FS Reference Bible refers to it as 'Terran standard' or something of the like, but I'm sure people speak other languages.
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I think they call it Terran Standard, which only means it's what's used for general communication. Like Solatar was saying, Terrans would likely seek out the first common language, for they have one already and go from there. I suspect most of our current batch of languages still exist by that time.
Also, calling it Terran Standard helps with the various translations of the game. It doesn't strictly have to be English you know.
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I was thinking...what other similarities do the Terrans and Vasudans share apart from being two-legged creatures?
Well, they're carbon based.
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Apparently mammalian. Breathe oxygen at roughly the same amount.
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Do they live in similar architecture as well?
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You can see a sketch of what appears to be a Vasudan city/skyscrapers in FS2 credits.
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There's also that one cutscene removed from the final version of FreeSpace: The Great War that depicts the evacuation of one of Vasuda Prime's major cities, which looks shiny and oddly Terran to me.
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I think you mixed that up with IceyJones' cutscene of the SD Lucifer arriving to bombard Vasuda Prime.
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There's also that one cutscene removed from the final version of FreeSpace: The Great War that depicts the evacuation of one of Vasuda Prime's major cities, which looks shiny and oddly Terran to me.
That's not canon, it was done by a fan active on these forums. You might even see him once in a while.
But there is a command briefing animation in FS1 that is pretty much the same thing, and yeah, the city depicted in that command briefing animation is more or less the same as a large Terran city.
However, the Vasudan species entry describes Vasudan settlements as either underground, sheltered or domed.
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When do you think they first 'discovered' space travel? The Terrans achieved it in the 1900's, but the Vasudans were "forced prematurely" into space. Could they have gone even earlier?
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Probably. Assuming they had contact with the Ancients, its safe to assume that the Ancients helped them achieve space travel, either through slavery or through technological assistance.
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But they never contacted the Ancients, they had been dead for 9000 years. I think it means that Vasuda was ill-equipped to support the population.
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they wouldn't have died if they beat the shivans.
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All of you are forgetting the theory that the Vasudans ARE the Ancients, or what's left of them at least.
I'm not strictly a fan of that in any case, rather not support it.
We don't know how long the Vasudans have been in space. It is likely they were forced there, in mass, earlier than Terrans (we still don't have any colonies on other worlds, it's likely the Vasudans would have in the same time frame), but I doubt on the whole it's much longer than the GTA. At the very least, the Vasudans probably achieved Inter-System subspace travel sooner as they seem to have more well established colonies than the Terrans do (considering they've been in space for something like 20 years when FS1 starts).
The real limitation is actually available resources. Vasuda Prime is NOT a pleasant place, so resources to conduct early space flight, or anything beyond a very primative technology base might have been a strain. 10,000 years might be how long it took them to develop what few resources they had to build a truly industrial civilization. But we can't really know, there just isn't enough information.
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The real limitation is actually available resources. Vasuda Prime is NOT a pleasant place, so resources to conduct early space flight, or anything beyond a very primative technology base might have been a strain. 10,000 years might be how long it took them to develop what few resources they had to build a truly industrial civilization. But we can't really know, there just isn't enough information.
What I was thinking is that Vasuda Prime, being a desert planet, had plenty of raw materials, and thus the Zods were able to build more technologically advanced ships, and mass-produce them cheaply.
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Deserts have plenty of raw materials?
I thought they just had lots of sand, and what rock there is is buried deep beneath it.
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But they never contacted the Ancients, they had been dead for 9000 years. I think it means that Vasuda was ill-equipped to support the population.
The FS1 tech entry claims the same dynasty ruled Vasuda Prime for 10,000 years. The Ancients disappeared 8,000 years ago. The times overlap: They could have met each other.
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Humans have also existed for that long. We could have met them too. :rolleyes:
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and what rock there is is buried deep beneath it.
But they never contacted the Ancients, they had been dead for 9000 years. I think it means that Vasuda was ill-equipped to support the population.
The FS1 tech entry claims the same dynasty ruled Vasuda Prime for 10,000 years. The Ancients disappeared 8,000 years ago. The times overlap: They could have met each other.
Remember, the Shivans only go after subspace-faring races.
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Humans have also existed for that long. We could have met them too. :rolleyes:
The Vasudans were ruled by the same dynasty for 8,000 years. Plus, it is hinted that the Vasudans were visited by the Ancients. In fact, it's pretty much common knowledge in the Vasudan population that some space-faring civilization visited the Vasudans in their infancy. That's where the HoL legends came from. So no rollyes there, mate.
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What I was thinking is that Vasuda Prime, being a desert planet, had plenty of raw materials, and thus the Zods were able to build more technologically advanced ships, and mass-produce them cheaply.
We can probably figure it has the same mineral resources as Earth, yes, but it definetly lacks one resource: Water. It has so little water, the Vasudans have develped ways to drink some of the nastiest water there is, and there is STILL some source of water on Vasuda Prime they won't touch. You'd be amazed how much lack of water can retard the developement of a civilization.
The Vasudans were ruled by the same dynasty for 8,000 years.
A thought on that: I'm willing to bet it is the same dynasty in name only. The family linage has probably broken and scattered mutliple times, so when the new Emperor takes the throne, he (or she) simply BECOMES a member of the first family, even if they aren't related by anything at all. 10,000 years is a LONG time, and even the longest lived dynasties on Earth might only have lasted a couple hundred years at most.
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We can probably figure it has the same mineral resources as Earth, yes, but it definetly lacks one resource: Water. It has so little water, the Vasudans have develped ways to drink some of the nastiest water there is, and there is STILL some source of water on Vasuda Prime they won't touch. You'd be amazed how much lack of water can retard the developement of a civilization.
All the surface water is described as undrinkable even by Vasudans in the FS1 tech entry.
A thought on that: I'm willing to bet it is the same dynasty in name only. The family linage has probably broken and scattered mutliple times, so when the new Emperor takes the throne, he (or she) simply BECOMES a member of the first family, even if they aren't related by anything at all. 10,000 years is a LONG time, and even the longest lived dynasties on Earth might only have lasted a couple hundred years at most.
That's probably true, but there's a large possibility it's a lot more coherent than Terran early history (ie. more communication between populations and more knowledge passed down)
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I always thought that referred to the fact that one of the "dynasties" survived until modern times. One tribe rose to be the most powerful, and eventually united the entire planet.
I doubt very much the Vasudans were a planet-state 10,000 years ago.
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I doubt very much the Vasudans were a planet-state 10,000 years ago.
That depends on the size of their population. We assume that they were numerous, but if the Vasudans had only a couple million people for example, it starts to sound more likely. Vasuda Prime was a harsh world, and it's possible they in essence were trapped on the equivalent of an island in the midst of a desert sea until relatively late in their development.
This would also help to explain their ability to squeeze out every last drop of utility from any resources available to them, as, trapped as they were, doing as much as possible with what little they had would have grown more and more important as time went by.
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Humans have also existed for that long. We could have met them too. :rolleyes:
Umm...ten millennia ago, we had no space technology. We can't meet the Vasudans, but the Ancients can visit us. Also note that Petrarch (was it?) did mention that Earth was part of the Ancients' civilization back then.
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He mentioned that many of the GTVA's systems were once controlled by the Ancients, which could have meant Earth as well.
Go play PI and listen to the ramblings of Dasmar...I actually like that "theory".
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There's no evidence supporting anything saying that the humans were visited by the Ancients, but it is repeatedly hinted at during FS1 and in the FSRefBible.
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There's no evidence supporting anything saying that the humans were visited by the Ancients, but it is repeatedly hinted at during FS1 and in the FSRefBible.
Well, I did recall some canon stuff stating that Earth was part of the Ancients' civilization, so if that is true, the chances are likely that the Ancients did pay a visit.
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There's no evidence supporting anything saying that the humans were visited by the Ancients, but it is repeatedly hinted at during FS1 and in the FSRefBible.
Well, I did recall some canon stuff stating that Earth was part of the Ancients' civilization, so if that is true, the chances are likely that the Ancients did pay a visit.
Well is there any logical reason for the Ancients to leave the Vasudans or Earth alone? If you've heard the Ancient monologues from FS1, you'll recall them talking about enslaving and annihilating foreign species (nice people eh?), y wouldn't they do the same to Earth?
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We weren't worth it? :P We're a contrary bunch of assholes, really, it's probably more trouble than it's worth keeping humanity enslaved.
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Well, I did recall some canon stuff stating that Earth was part of the Ancients' civilization, so if that is true, the chances are likely that the Ancients did pay a visit.
You're getting your info mixed up, I'm sure there was no such information.
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You're getting your info mixed up, I'm sure there was no such information.
I'm pretty sure he's confusing us with the Vasudans.
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I too would have to say Terrans would win.
Anubis was just...lame. Only marginally good as a suicide bomber
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To be fair, you never see a big mass of them in Freespace 1, which is the tactic that they're supposed to use most commonly.
And the Seth and Horus really do kick FS1 ass
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Unless the Vasudans got some decent weapons (better than the Vasudan Light Laser anyway) the Terrans would've won the war in a blink of an eye.
Then again, in Out of the Dark, Into the Night (the one where the Shivans first appear), the Vasudans use ML-16s. They always completely splash my squad in that mission so I have to sanitize them all myself.