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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: S-99 on March 15, 2009, 07:53:10 pm
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It's interesting stuff. I still have a difficult time quitting smoking, but i at least found an alternative that actually made me satisfied enough that i didn't request cigs. This was camel snus. My friend got it one day for the sheer fact that it was cheap and that was it. It doesn't need to be refrigerated, comes in pouches, and is spitless.
I tried out a pouch after i did lots of research on the stuff, and well, there's no smoke involved. I got my nicotine in a rather much less volatile way. Reminds me of how chai spice black tea tastes. The nicotine rush sticks with me for about an hour, after that i didn't smoke at all yesterday.
My research lead me to many conclusions about this stuff. This is meant to be the swedish style of chewing tobacco in america. Camel is a swedish company anyway, but as to whether camel products are american or not is up for date based on their distributors in america. Swedish snus is of higher quality and prepared better than american equivalents like skoal or copenhagen. Camel snus is still in the middle of being trial tested in random parts of america since 2008. Many have claimed that this is being marketed directly to children (these have also been the same people who assume that because its also called chew users literally chew tobacco). It's obvious something else is going on especially with the trial testing. Camel and other brands are currently competing in america for the spitless snus arena. Camel for example has been experimenting by providing different flavors at different times in different locations, to find out which ones customers like the best and will buy.
Then again, camel and so on has had cryptic advertisements like "spitless snus, use it in class, use it in a car, use it in a plane" (i'm sure the using it in class part may enthuse some highschoolers to get a hold of the stuff). I don't really care that this or other tobacco companies may or may not have child advertisement campaigns. For me, this'll keep me from putting bull**** in my lungs and regain precious lung capacity. I mainly need to get out the habit of smoking period.
It's really sort of evil, but from my perspective i had a blast. I was always smoking with friends having a jolly good time (this makes not smoking really hard). So far i just toss in a pouch around them, and i'm good. Better taste especially too. I have a feeling i'll be able to quit chew. I just literally need to get myself out of the fun habits associated with the actions of smoking (i'm split on smoking for being social and for nicotine). If i can't quit chew, then there's better safer stuff out there anyway. One interesting thing was tobaccoless chew. Just pouches of pretty much what the contents of a certain kind of teabag would have except enriched with nicotine.
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Doesn't have to be just high school class either, it can very well be college too. Hell, I know at least half a dozen people I work with who dip on the job and can get away with it.
I would recommend dipping only to help you quit nicotine altogether or if you do it sparingly. Doing too much of it can lead to effects just as bad as smoking. Believe me, I've seen it.
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Doesn't chew just give you mouth cancer instead of lung cancer?
My dad used to fall asleep with that stuff in his mouth. It was disgusting. XP
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Basically...
In all four military bases I've been in so far I've seen at least three people with torn up mouths because of surgical procedures where smokeless products were the cause.
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By effects as bad as smoking, I did mean some form of cancer iamzack. :p
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This is what your tongue will end up looking like. Enjoy.
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This is why i did some very thorough research. It's good to go for a dip that has the lowest amount of carcinogens which is commonly just the swedish variants. It's also good not to swallow your spit either way even if it is spitless.
It depends on which kind of dip you got that'll make you have mouth cancer or so on. Preferably anything tobacco based with low carcinogens or just use a chew that's not tobacco based at all. This is only going to be a temporary thing. I'll probably stop after the tin runs out which looks like it'll take a week. I've also been testing myself with temptation. I've been hanging out with my friends with a pouch in my mouth while they smoke, and i was just all good.
Will i relapse in the future and go back to smoking? I have no real way of knowing.
I'd rather go for nicotine patches, but those along with nicotine gum are very expensive.
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I know I did . . . again. Year and a half smoke free . . . so much for that
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I'm not planning on ever starting. Disgusting habit IMO.
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Anything tobacco based is a disgusting habit. At least now my clothes smell fine.
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I don't understand why, in this day and age anyone even starts. People know it's a ****ty idea and they do it anyway.
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I don't understand why, in this day and age anyone even starts. People know it's a ****ty idea and they do it anyway.
In Miami at least, the knowledge that tobacco = bad isn't as widespread. I have a few friends that smoke "socially", and they're repulsive to me.
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I don't understand why, in this day and age anyone even starts. People know it's a ****ty idea and they do it anyway.
I wouldn't give a nicotine high away for anything.
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Cancers of the mouth and throat are much worse in many respects than lung cancer.
Quit the habit. It'll save you as much as 1-3 thousand dollars a year, and your life.
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I like the smell of tobacco and the feeling of burn in my lungs. ^^ Quitting wouldn't save me any money, though. The last pack of cigarettes I got was in October, and I still have almost half of them.
Nobody but Turambar wants to keep me cancer-free.
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Two packs a day. Quit 11+ years ago.
You have to want to quit.
My brother decided to try dip, I think it took all of 18 months for him to get mouth cancer. YMMV.
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I'm quitting after Uni, my fathers heart attack was caused almost solely by his 40-year, 20-A-Day smoking habit, his father died of a heart attack, and was a smoker, and now I have to go have tests to see if I have hereditary heart disease, so the smoking has gotta go.
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I don't understand why, in this day and age anyone even starts. People know it's a ****ty idea and they do it anyway.
Well common sense usually takes a back seat to whatever your friends are doing, it's amazing what you'll find yourself doing in order to "Fit in".
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I spent my entire time in school avoiding what was "popular."
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Does that mean it's a good thing I'm a loner? XD
Popular life is boring... lol
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Crazy people tend to smoke disproportionately to the general population.
My little brother just picked it up. He says it's cool.
I guess it's cool to not care about your health. ^^
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Does that mean it's a good thing I'm a loner? XD
Popular life is boring... lol
I say it is. :P
Following the crowd sucks. ;)
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2 days without smokes for me :yes:
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10 days for me
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7,107 days for me. :P
Which is my lifetime to this day. :lol:
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Accounting for leap years?
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Yes, but not the one during 1988 as I was born long after Feburary. :)
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Well then congrats. Unfortunately, you've probably inhaled plenty of secondhand smoke, so... yeah.
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Probably, that's bound to happen in a military base. :lol:
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure my dad and grandparents got me hooked. They're all mad chainsmokers.
But the smokers in my family are all the healthiest. Ironic.
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I'd rather go for nicotine patches,
they are very hard to light
ps: what is dipping ?
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gross
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Smoke free since 1995 (read: my whole life).
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Does that mean it's a good thing I'm a loner? XD
Popular life is boring... lol
I say it is. :P
Following the crowd sucks. ;)
Most of the things I do tend to "Follow the Crowd". Mainly because I have a friend who goes from one interest to another almost compulsively, dragging the rest of us along with him. I've done boxing, mixed martial arts, learned parkour/free running (they're not the same :mad:), had several red bull all nighters, come close to filming a porno at a mates house, become addicted and "un-addicted" to paintball, started rapping, almost learned to Melbourne Shuffle, fantasized about shooting a cow with a rocket launcher, learned how to Krump fairly poorly, and I'm going to get monkeyed if I keep going :lol:
SMOKE FREE SINCE 1994
I've never really found the prospect of smoking/pot that attractive. Smoking's only ever looked cool to me in World War II movies.
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Pot never grew on me. I've never had a hankering to do it ever, except my one best friend. That was the only time i smoked it. I had fun, but, i didn't like the high, it wasn't for me.
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Smoke free since 1995 (read: my whole life).
SMOKE FREE SINCE 1994
I beat both of you because I didn't pick up smoking until I was 16. :P
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Smoke free since 1995 (read: my whole life).
SMOKE FREE SINCE 1994
I beat both of you because I didn't pick up smoking until I was 16. :P
O rly? Are we making this a competition? Then I suppose I beat you all, seeing as I've been smoke-free since 1990.
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If you're not quitting cold turkey, then you don't really want to quit. Either stop being a pussy and just quit, or stop lying to yourself and smoke all you want.
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Have you ever quit something addictive cold turkey? It really ****ing sucks. No point in putting yourself through misery if you can ween yourself off it.
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But weening yourself off is proven not to work. Classic addict speak there :doubt:.
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But weening yourself off is proven not to work. Classic addict speak there :doubt:.
Really? Where did you hear that (just curious)?
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I mean that in the sense that people who say things like one less pack a week or something tend to relapse very quickly or never quit at all, as they fail to realize how powerfull thier cravings will be once they stop. I didn't mean that things like patches and nicotine gum don't help. To say that would be stupid as they clearly do, and studies show that cold turkey plus patches or gum is the most effective method of quitting.
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Oh, OK. You got me a little confused. I get it now, and yeah, you are right.
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I mean that in the sense that people who say things like one less pack a week or something tend to relapse very quickly or never quit at all, as they fail to realize how powerfull thier cravings will be once they stop. I didn't mean that things like patches and nicotine gum don't help. To say that would be stupid as they clearly do, and studies show that cold turkey plus patches or gum is the most effective method of quitting.
If it's cold turkey "with patches" then it isn't cold turkey :p
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Uhhh... Well then why do they ween you off of SSRIs? Because withdrawal ****ing sucks. Weening weakens it, and then weakens the addiction.
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Patches are no more successful at helping people quit than willpower, I did research on this once, and the Nicorette studies contained only results from 6 weeks after the people had quit, and compared them with 2-year statistics for willpower. When the Nicorette quitters were examined at the 2 year stage, there was no difference in the percentages.
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Yeah, willpower is the most important thing. I'm just saying not doing it cold turkey makes withdrawal less suckage.
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I didn't pick up smoking until i was 18. I didn't start drinking until i was 22. I didn't start doing these things until i wanted to. You guys are just getting younger and younger for when you started.
Some people can quit totally going cold turkey with no other help period. But, this is rare. For now, something else giving me nicotine has really gotten me out of a much worse habit. My goal is to continue at least a week with these pouches. The crappy thing is that i'm raedy to throw these out. Camel made their new snus pouches with hardly any nicotine. I'm almost sure i've been plecibo'd the first day i tried this. Almost no nicotine in these = my eyes look back on smoking.
I'll probably buy the swedish kind if they sell it here. Getting something that provides good nicotine first. These camel snus things would be great for people looking to stop dipping.
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I don't remember why I started smoking. I was probably hammered.
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Uhhh... Well then why do they ween you off of SSRIs? Because withdrawal ****ing sucks. Weening weakens it, and then weakens the addiction.
Funny, considering I went cold turkey off of those. ;)
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Yeah, so did I. Good two weeks of shaking and headaches and whatnot. Suckage.
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Yeah, so did I. Good two weeks of shaking and headaches and whatnot. Suckage.
Did You get these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSRI_discontinuation_syndrome#.22Brain_zaps.22_and_.22electric_shock_sensations.22
Most unpleasant part of it, IMO.
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They are also typically effective and used in treating premature ejaculation problems as well as some cases of insomnia
LOL
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Yeah, so did I. Good two weeks of shaking and headaches and whatnot. Suckage.
Did You get these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSRI_discontinuation_syndrome#.22Brain_zaps.22_and_.22electric_shock_sensations.22
Most unpleasant part of it, IMO.
No brain zaps. But I couldn't think, and the shaking and twitching was actually kind difficult to deal with.
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They are also typically effective and used in treating premature ejaculation problems as well as some cases of insomnia
LOL
I'll just let Iamzack think up some witty response. I thought about doing it myself but I'm too lazy. Anyone prescribing this stuff for premature ejaculations and insomnia should be shot, though. :hopping:
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What stuff? SSRIs? I got prescribed Trazodone for insomnia. Didn't work. Not even a little. I don't have problems with premature ejaculation, though.
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Guess they wouldn't help with that problem then either. :lol:
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I don't have problems with premature ejaculation, though.
I would certainly hope not. :shaking:
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Well i switched chews and still going smoke free. I switched chews because the camel snus variant has like almost no nicotine which wont help in my self weening.
Some people can go pure cold turkey, and others can't. We're all different human beings so we use our will power differently. Some people use will power with pure cold turkey. I found that this doesn't work for me. So i used my will power with a different method that i am capable of. Either way, everyone needs to want to quit never the less. If you don't want to quit and you end up quitting, then there must have been some situational variations going on. There was one time i quit when i didn't want too. Christmas of 07 i ended up quitting for 3 weeks because it's must that my parents not see me smoking. I got back to smoking when i was back at campus immediately putting me back into normal campus habits. If i quit, i need to quit at college and not home.
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I want a cigarette.
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If you don't get that nicotine rush like you wanted from the first one, you'll just smoke another and another until you do :lol:
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This girl in the room right now is talking about how she and her friends are going to go and hookah this afternoon and she is all worried because she read that that is like smoking a pack of cigarettes and she's afraid she will look like a noob. It's her 18th birthday or something. She's all asian and little and like "omg, my friends are gonna laugh at me because i'm a hookah virgin!" Amusing. :3
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dum and dumers i guess to say.
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I can't tell if she's kidding or what, I don't know her. But she is pretty silly in general, so it's possible.
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Every time I see this thread title I think of Camel Toes! :lol:
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:wtf:
;7
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now i really really really want a scigarette
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They should really lift the EU ban on snus. The jury's still out on whether it's that harmful, but most signs point to it being less hazardous than smoking.
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Less hazardous = not unhazardous enough. :P
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It's a lot less hazardous than smoking. I'm gearing up for total nicotine withdrawal soon though. Total nicotine withdrawal being now.
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Less hazardous = not unhazardous enough. :P
**** yeah they should probably ****ing ban living. you can die from that, you know.
there's no ban on fags afaik, which makes your argument, well, ****.
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First of all, what's EU?
Second, why would they ban a claimed "safer" product and not the one that is eventually going to end up being banned from being used in cars?
Third, it was joke.
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lawl... been smoking since... dunno, mid.. blah.. 2006 or 2007... time flies these days...
and just to remember how it all went from all innocent-like... gaah
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First of all, what's EU?
Well, at the end of the second world war (I assume you've heard of that, at least?), there was an idea of wanting to integrate europe a bit more so as to perhaps avoid those kind of unfortunate happenings in the future, at least on european soil. This led to the european coal and steel community, an international organization with the purpose of creating a foundation for european democracy and modern-day development. It's a bunch of ballsacks but eventually this **** led to a sort of supranationalist quasidemocracy known to the world (not you though, obviously) as the EU, or the European Union.
Second, why would they ban a claimed "safer" product and not the one that is eventually going to end up being banned from being used in cars?
Well, this is because the EU is a piece of lobbyism mixed with feigned democracy founded on the Golden Rule; The one with the gold rules. Which is also why you can transport ridiculous amounts of ethanol across and the two most influential countries are the ones pulling all the shots.
Third, it was joke.
Good for you.
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(I assume you've heard of that, at least?)
If there's a school in the U.S. that doesn't talk about the World Wars at least once, tell me now and I'll see to it that my nation-borne citizenship is revoked and I shall spend the rest of my life under a bridge. :rolleyes:
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Now look, you're the one who didn't know what the EU was. I'm just saying...
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Rather than being a total dick about it and acting like I don't know the basics of life I could've just gotten a to-the-point answer instead of a ****ton of ridicule that barely answers my question still. It's European Union, okay I know that much now other than the fact they're apparently a bunch of egotistical assholes.
Sure, give me all the flak you want if I didn't know what World War II was, ****, I didn't even know Ethiopia was capable of mounting an offensive and actually do a CONSIDERABLE amount of DAMAGE to ANYONE.
Next time I see anyone ask a simple question just because their unaware of what it is and they're curious, I'll make sure to be a pompous ass to them about it. :rolleyes:
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Eeexcellent...
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Rather than being a total dick about it and acting like I don't know the basics of life I could've just gotten a to-the-point answer instead of a ****ton of ridicule that barely answers my question still. It's European Union, okay I know that much now other than the fact they're apparently a bunch of egotistical assholes.
Sure, give me all the flak you want if I didn't know what World War II was, ****, I didn't even know Ethiopia was capable of mounting an offensive and actually do a CONSIDERABLE amount of DAMAGE to ANYONE.
Next time I see anyone ask a simple question just because their unaware of what it is and they're curious, I'll make sure to be a pompous ass to them about it. :rolleyes:
To be fair, everyone in the world know's that USA stands for United States of America, why should the world know that EU stands European Union! Europe isn't important, America is! :rolleyes:
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I didn't say that. Not once.
As far as I know the U.S. is simply so well known for the fact that they do all this stupid crap and raise red flags galore for the attention. I don't think Europe is that simple-minded.
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We don't actually do it for attention. We're just dumb. :sigh:
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:doubt: :rolleyes: :sigh: