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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: TrashMan on August 20, 2009, 12:14:06 pm
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http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/category/final-fantasy-viii/
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Jesus Bloody Christ, I hate every Final Fantasy after VII. X and X-2 take the cake, but VIII also deserves the full force of my wrath because it is everything I ****ing hate about jRPGs mixed in with ****tily-written characters, dialogue and plot. Naaargh.
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I love it how this guy goes into such details. His review is split into 10 friggin episodes. He goes into details, ripping apart the story, characters, everything.
You never can truly appreciate how STUPID the FFVIII story is until you look at the review.
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Strangely enough, most of the into-RPG types I know rather like VIII, and seem to think that VII is fail incarnate. I'm not quite sure why after watching the first two of those videos. :p
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Let's see.....This review seems to be:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ContestedSequel
Also, from watching Part 2, it seems he never has played any MMORPG, or anything which involves grinding....
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Jesus Bloody Christ, I hate every Final Fantasy after VII. X and X-2 take the cake,
GTFO MY INTERNET!! Lulu is my wife >8(
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Basically VIII was horrible for reasons that can be summed up in one word: Squall.
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But knights of the round and Sephiroth cancel him out. + Jenova is awsome and tastes like sunshine.
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There went ca. three hours of my life. :lol:
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Also, from watching Part 2, it seems he never has played any MMORPG, or anything which involves grinding....
Watch the whole review. It only gets better as he goes trough the game and points out the stupidity of the plot.
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I personally found the side-stuff to be the best part of the whole review.
I really can't believe that he ignored the horrendous level-scaling, though.
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Well, I'll agree that, in terms of gameplay, VIII leaves something to be desired. And that the story is paper thin at times. But still, I had fun playing it, and ultimately, that's what counts for me.
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You know, I'm glad I've never played this game or any Final Fantasy games in my life
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You know, I'm glad I've never played this game or any Final Fantasy games in my life
Oh, everything up to and including the seventh game was frickin' awesome. And Final Fantasy VI was a visual and audio masterpiece with the universe's greatest evil laugh.
But, after VIII...well, I don't like talking about what came after VIII because then I could go on for freaking hours.
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I prefer Yahtzee but this guy has some funny moments. Problem is the videos are too long . . .
#4 is probably the funniest of the lot. Especially when the music kicks in.
I haven't played any FF games and seems like I'm not missing much. Haven't played many RPGs in my time, my favourite one of the console generation probably being Phantasy Star.
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Haven't played many RPGs in my time, my favourite one of the console generation probably being Phantasy Star.
You poor bastard. That's almost as bad as the first Final Fantasy. Nowhere near Dragon Warrior, though.
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Come to think of it, the only RPG game I played was Fallout 3
And, I only watched the last episode. In fact, I thought that was the only episode until reading more down the thread
Thought the others were about other Final Fantasy games
Love his comment about the random floating spacecraft
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FF8 sucked. Not as bad as FF7 with it's recycled main plot and awful characters, but still pretty bad.
Of course, really, 1-6 kind of sucked too.
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Haven't played many RPGs in my time, my favourite one of the console generation probably being Phantasy Star.
You poor bastard. That's almost as bad as the first Final Fantasy. Nowhere near Dragon Warrior, though.
eh, Phantasy star was pretty awesome.
Though I played Fallout 1, so that's a little more recent.
Meanwhile I'm still trying to get through the Ultima collection. Lost interest somewhere near the end of Ultima V
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Come to think of it, the only RPG game I played was Fallout 3
Fallout 3 isn't an RPG.
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eh, Phantasy star was pretty awesome.
To be fair, I never finished that one. I just couldn't get around the game.
Hell, the only reason I played through Final Fantasy was because I had a Game Genie. I tried doing it the normal way, but after power-leveling (>10 levels) on that peninsula (and still failing in that cave) I came to the conclusion that the developers were freaking insane.
Meanwhile I'm still trying to get through the Ultima collection. Lost interest somewhere near the end of Ultima V
Well that brings back some memories. Not very good ones. The early games in that series are difficult. :shaking:
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FF8 sucked. Not as bad as FF7 with it's recycled main plot and awful characters, but still pretty bad.
Of course, really, 1-6 kind of sucked too.
Psh, 6 had Kefka, who by all accounts (or at least those I've read) was one of the best Heartless Bastards in gaming-dom.
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He was interesting, and though it's oft pointed out that he actually destroyed the world, the truth of the matter is he less destroyed the world, more landscaped it. Compare the number of people in towns from world of balance to world of ruin, and he really didn't actually kill that many people.
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Killing everyone when you remake the world in your image seems like such a waste. Who'll be left afterwards to have their souls crushed by your almighty vision? :D
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Fallout 3 isn't an RPG.
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Really? It sure fooled me.
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Yeah, that view is slightly strange.
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this is the best game review evar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi8n6uN091E
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this is the best game review evar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi8n6uN091E
I've never played the X series, but it amazes me that the entire development team managed to miss the massive innuendo potential that that name presented. :D
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:eek2:
Wow. :lol:
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Yeah that was amusing, from a development standpoint. What's up with those guys hahahaha.
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The only problem with the X series, apart from the truly terrible story missions, is that it gets quite hard work after a while and I tend to think why am I trying so hard, why don't I just play freespace instead ;)
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The only problem with the X series, apart from the truly terrible story missions, is that it gets quite hard work after a while and I tend to think why am I trying so hard, why don't I just play freespace instead ;)
which calls to mind: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online)
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FF series;
1-7 (87-97) = Amazing.
8 (99) = Suck.
9 (00) = Actually surprisingly good (retro, amazing skill system (best of the series), story isn't too bad).
10 (01) = Terrible.
11 (02) = Worst of the Series.
10-2 (03) = The worst storyline of the series (surprisingly decent gameplay if you can ignore the ....yea you can't really).
Tactics Advance rocks (ending was a bit of a let down though).
Crystal Chronicles on the Cube was amazing with mates but sucks on your own (ending was a bit of a let down too).
Haven't played 12-14 yet.
The Last Remnant rocked too.
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which calls to mind: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online)
I've said it before: He doesn't get the concept of a sandbox, or for that matter any form of game that doesn't spoonfeed you the storyline on rails. :P
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which calls to mind: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online)
I was thinking of getting into this :doubt: Not any more :D
Also, that is the funniest thing I have ever seen.
Off topic here but reminds me of this guy - http://www.youtube.com/user/ashens
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It's easy to criticize something when you spend hours creating a space where only your own beliefs are given any time; eventually any crackpot judgment looks reasonable in that environment.
Needless to say, I think he's full of ****. Final Fantasy VIII is probably the third best Final Fantasy, and certainly it blows away the poorly-translated, boring game FFVII was. The game has silly parts!? GASP! I never knew!
Seriously, is VIII really any sillier than VI, maybe the most universally praised game of all time? VI had a boss coming out of a painting, a Yeti, Gau the wolf boy being introduced to his aristocratic father, an empire being led by a wheezy old man controlled by a clown, and a general who was able to sing a climatic opera piece with no training whatsoever. Except that opera scene is also one of the most moving scenes in the history of gaming. Except that behind all the sillyness was a story that was actually about something.
This guy is an asshole and a curmudgeon who wasted hours of his life continuously talking and complaining about something just so he could have a few hours of tape where he could just complain and complain and complain without anyone telling him to shut up. He also seems to be completely unable to get the idea of what fantasy is. The garden was floating the whole time, is it that much of a stretch that it could move? Really? Oh wait, I forgot, you don't like contrary opinions. They make you feel like you're an asshole who complains just cause he feels like it. We can't have that, now, can we?
This guy would criticize Totoro for being too unrealistic. This guy would bash the Empire Strikes Back and Firefly if he felt like it and claim they were poorly written. He's just an asshole, ignore him, let him be an 85-year old man in peace.
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Trashman, Rick James, please, do feel free to step up to the plate and claim it's ok to hate everything you personally don't have an affinity for. I won't get mad, I swear.
I mean, if you hate something, that's fine, but when you hate something to the point of being so full of bile that you imply that anyone who likes it must be a retard, then I'm coming for you. With a wooden bat. In a metaphorical way.
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I've never played the X series, but it amazes me that the entire development team managed to miss the massive innuendo potential that that name presented. :D
I didn't! ;7
My corporate logo for the first game was a pron pic! (You could select your own from any pic you had on your hard drive!) :lol:
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It's easy to criticize something when you spend hours creating a space where only your own beliefs are given any time; eventually any crackpot judgment looks reasonable in that environment.
Needless to say, I think he's full of ****. Final Fantasy VIII is probably the third best Final Fantasy, and certainly it blows away the poorly-translated, boring game FFVII was. The game has silly parts!? GASP! I never knew!
Seriously, is VIII really any sillier than VI, maybe the most universally praised game of all time? VI had a boss coming out of a painting, a Yeti, Gau the wolf boy being introduced to his aristocratic father, an empire being led by a wheezy old man controlled by a clown, and a general who was able to sing a climatic opera piece with no training whatsoever. Except that opera scene is also one of the most moving scenes in the history of gaming. Except that behind all the sillyness was a story that was actually about something.
This guy is an asshole and a curmudgeon who wasted hours of his life continuously talking and complaining about something just so he could have a few hours of tape where he could just complain and complain and complain without anyone telling him to shut up. He also seems to be completely unable to get the idea of what fantasy is. The garden was floating the whole time, is it that much of a stretch that it could move? Really? Oh wait, I forgot, you don't like contrary opinions. They make you feel like you're an asshole who complains just cause he feels like it. We can't have that, now, can we?
This guy would criticize Totoro for being too unrealistic. This guy would bash the Empire Strikes Back and Firefly if he felt like it and claim they were poorly written. He's just an asshole, ignore him, let him be an 85-year old man in peace.
So you're saying that his whole reason for hating the game was that it was silly? I thought he brought up some really good points regarding the quality found in the game's plot devices and combat mechanics.
And did you just compare The Empire Strikes Back to FireFly? I'm pretty sure that that's illegal in three states.
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Trashman, Rick James, please, do feel free to step up to the plate and claim it's ok to hate everything you personally don't have an affinity for. I won't get mad, I swear.
Hate?
What gave you the idea that I hate FF8?
I just consider it's story and characters redicolous to the point of absurdity (more or less a trademark of the whole series). It's more of an comedy than anything else. You know, the So Bad It's Good schtik.
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which calls to mind: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online)
I've said it before: He doesn't get the concept of a sandbox, or for that matter any form of game that doesn't spoonfeed you the storyline on rails. :P
Really? But he absolutely loves . . . gah, I always forget the name. Volition's GTA-style type game. Which is supposed to be "sandbox".
I'm honestly not a fan of the MMO-style games either. I like stories, I don't see why I should pay someone else to make my own :D
I could make my own for free sure, but pay them? nah . . .
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which calls to mind: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online)
I've said it before: He doesn't get the concept of a sandbox, or for that matter any form of game that doesn't spoonfeed you the storyline on rails. :P
Really? But he absolutely loves . . . gah, I always forget the name. Volition's GTA-style type game. Which is supposed to be "sandbox".
I'm honestly not a fan of the MMO-style games either. I like stories, I don't see why I should pay someone else to make my own :D
I could make my own for free sure, but pay them? nah . . .
Saint's Row?
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Really? But he absolutely loves . . . gah, I always forget the name. Volition's GTA-style type game. Which is supposed to be "sandbox".
I'm honestly not a fan of the MMO-style games either. I like stories, I don't see why I should pay someone else to make my own :D
I could make my own for free sure, but pay them? nah . . .
Saint's Row?
Yes that's the one. I can never for the life of me remember the name. Happens once in a while for different things.
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The thing with Yahtzee is that one shouldn't treat most of his videos as legitimately serious reviews, but instead as primarily an entertainment product. There is some actual editorial content interspersed within them, but the majority amounts to humorous nitpicking for nitpicking's sake. For instance, he seems to suffer from irrational, foaming-at-the-mouth hatred when encountering anything at all related to the Wii, or to Japanese RPGs (though I share some of his dislike for turn-based games in general myself). One particularly egregious example was his video on the Wii FPS title The Conduit, where he railed on the control scheme while particularly ignoring the fact that said scheme was almost infinitely customizable and generally praised by most conventional reviewers. This would be all well and good if everyone took his reviews at that level, but there's a whole crowd of people out there who seem to hang on his every word as if it were gospel truth; reading the commentary threads on his videos, or indeed much of The Escapist's website, becomes utterly aggravating as a result.
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Maybe. Though, the simple reality is I can absolutely understand a massive dislike of "jRPG"s, so I'm inclined to believe he actually does dislike them - which suggest he actually dislikes most if not all of his pet peeves.
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Maybe. Though, the simple reality is I can absolutely understand a massive dislike of "jRPG"s, so I'm inclined to believe he actually does dislike them - which suggest he actually dislikes most if not all of his pet peeves.
I'm not saying that he doesn't genuinely dislike certain gaming conventions and types, and I don't generally partake in JRPGs myself (in fact, the only one I have played through was Chrono Trigger, which is fantastic by any genre's standards), but many of his complaints seem to shoot straight beyond legitimate criticism to flat-out irrational vitriol. It's as though he's unable to look beyond the tropes that he may personally dislike and recognize good game development in general. For instance, he essentially rips the DS title The World Ends with You (a JRPG, conveniently enough) a new one for doing what games of its genre are generally supposed to do, when said game received high critical praise from pretty much all quarters. His seeming hatred for the Wii is a whole other story that goes beyond individual game types. I understand that, to some parties, the console seems like a bit of a flop on the "hardcore" side of things (God, I loathe that word), but is that justification to spew unabashed hate at the console as a whole, instead of measuring the merits of its individual games as games? You'd think that someone as intelligent as he seems to be would avoid that sort of raging negative fanboyism at all costs.
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The thing with Yahtzee is that one shouldn't treat most of his videos as legitimately serious reviews, but instead as primarily an entertainment product. There is some actual editorial content interspersed within them, but the majority amounts to humorous nitpicking for nitpicking's sake. For instance, he seems to suffer from irrational, foaming-at-the-mouth hatred when encountering anything at all related to the Wii, or to Japanese RPGs (though I share some of his dislike for turn-based games in general myself). One particularly egregious example was his video on the Wii FPS title The Conduit, where he railed on the control scheme while particularly ignoring the fact that said scheme was almost infinitely customizable and generally praised by most conventional reviewers. This would be all well and good if everyone took his reviews at that level, but there's a whole crowd of people out there who seem to hang on his every word as if it were gospel truth; reading the commentary threads on his videos, or indeed much of The Escapist's website, becomes utterly aggravating as a result.
Hmmn. I don't agree. If he's nitpicking for nitpicking's sake he'll usually acknowledge that and say "problems aside I really liked it" for example. The problem is a lot of his fanbase don't care for him giving good reviews so for the sake of continued success he often nitpicks for nitpicking's sake. They are entertaining yes but he does give good points about controls and so forth that are straight up and honest even if sometimes he's trying a little too hard.
Certainly he does have games he likes and others he doesn't like but don't all gamers? In fact I wouldn't be surprised if many review magazines/sites had genre-specific viewers or console-specific reviewers instead of one guy playing every game on everything.
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Certainly he does have games he likes and others he doesn't like but don't all gamers? In fact I wouldn't be surprised if many review magazines/sites had genre-specific viewers or console-specific reviewers instead of one guy playing every game on everything.
PCGamer, among others, mocks you.
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Certainly he does have games he likes and others he doesn't like but don't all gamers? In fact I wouldn't be surprised if many review magazines/sites had genre-specific viewers or console-specific reviewers instead of one guy playing every game on everything.
PCGamer, among others, mocks you.
Well I used to buy those magazines, Computer Gaming World and I know they had different reviewers but I never bothered to follow what sorts of games they reviewed. Though I know a few had multiple reviews. Still got a stack of those bad boys in my closet at home including the one with the 4-5 pages of X-Wing tactics and walkthroughs. The "wotan weave". Classic.
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The whole point is that he is not a normal reviewer though isn't it?
He is supposed to be entertaining and he is, although some of the points he raises are valid, and the fact that he can find many flaws with what are considered good games these days is a worrying sign, many are just nitpicking but as I said that's the point. If people take it too seriously then fine, but he produces a tongue in cheek show and it should be viewed as such
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There is no such thing, and never has been such a thing as a 'perfect' game.
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Found another gold nugget:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/916-Wolfenstein
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Found another gold nugget:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/916-Wolfenstein
As much as I've had some issues with Yahtzee's style in the past, that particular one really was brilliant. :D
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The whole point is that he is not a normal reviewer though isn't it?
He is supposed to be entertaining and he is, although some of the points he raises are valid, and the fact that he can find many flaws with what are considered good games these days is a worrying sign, many are just nitpicking but as I said that's the point. If people take it too seriously then fine, but he produces a tongue in cheek show and it should be viewed as such
Exactly. I watch his reviews purely for the humor, not to get any detailed and objective analysis of the games. From that point of view, he certainly doesn't disappoint. :D
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Exactly. I watch his reviews purely for the humor, not to get any detailed and objective analysis of the games. From that point of view, he certainly doesn't disappoint. :D
Although my favourite episodes are the ones where out of the blue he has a session of gushing over his favourite games. :)
A nice change from his standard caustic humour.
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Exactly. I watch his reviews purely for the humor, not to get any detailed and objective analysis of the games. From that point of view, he certainly doesn't disappoint. :D
Although my favourite episodes are the ones where out of the blue he has a session of gushing over his favourite games. :)
A nice change from his standard caustic humour.
His praise tends to be a lot more memorable. My mind keeps going back to the episode where he says something about branston pickles being combined with something else to give the world and it would be awesome. I think the humour from ripping into games only goes so far and it's a little unfortunate that he feels the need to always cater to the people who find his glowing reviews unfunny.