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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lucika on June 16, 2010, 09:10:46 am
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This man is a genius. Fantastic rip-apart of all the creationist crap. I am hooked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqB4FOlCtls
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Meh. Arguing with creationists doesn't even make me feel smart anymore. It's like arguing with my schizophrenic kid brother.
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It's meant to make you feel smart? They're just generally ripe for a good laughing at whenever they come by. There's this one Jehova's Witness bloke that used to come around. He made the mistake of waking me up on a Friday morning to listen to his sermon about how I was wrong two years ago. He hasn't been back since. :D
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It's not funny anymore when they grow up and become elected politicians or end up on school boards.
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It's not funny anymore when they grow up and become elected politicians or end up on school boards.
You are very successful at making me hate society. :)
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I don't feel like clicking that link. On the other hand, I don't feel like being a colossal troll.
What particular brand of creationists are we talking here?
Well, maybe a little troll.
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People who think evolution didn't happen. Hence the name, "creationist."
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Ah, carry on then.
(However, simply the term "creationists" isn't really enough to distinguish that finely. People can believe life was created somehow but still accept evolution.)
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The definition of life is man-made and arbitrary. We decided what is living and what isn't.
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Creation means that the universe didn't exist and then it did. It shouldn't necessarily have anything to do with evolution, or life for that matter.
But "People who think evolution didn't happen" is a good qualification here.
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The definition of life is man-made and arbitrary. We decided what is living and what isn't.
None of that disagrees with my statement. People can believe life was created somehow but still accept evolution.
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And that's a useless belief that does nothing to further the pursuit of knowledge. In fact, what it does is say "Life was created, no need to look into the matter any more!"
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And now you're just making sweeping generalizations. It says nothing of the sort. It could, in fact, say just as easily: "Life was created, I wonder how that happened? Let's find out."
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It's not funny anymore when they grow up and become elected politicians or end up on school boards.
Deeply disturbing, but true.
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And now you're just making sweeping generalizations. It says nothing of the sort. It could, in fact, say just as easily: "Life was created, I wonder how that happened? Let's find out."
I assumed by "created" you meant by some sort of supernatural entity since that's the usual use of the word.
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And now you're just making sweeping generalizations. It says nothing of the sort. It could, in fact, say just as easily: "Life was created, I wonder how that happened? Let's find out."
I assumed by "created" you meant by some sort of supernatural entity since that's the usual use of the word.
People who believe that the universe came into existence usually believe there was a cause for it, yes.
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It also does not mean that it precludes any undertaking to find out how.
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Tell that to Galileo.
That was silly. Tell it to people who think Creationism should be taught in public schools. They are not understanding the whole science trumps beliefs idea.
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It also does not mean that it precludes any undertaking to find out how.
Religion should stick the the why's and not the how's!
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We already had that argument. If science can't answer it, there's no answer. Religion is a security blanket.
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We already had that argument. If science can't answer it, there's no answer. Religion is a security blanket.
If science can't answer it, it's because we haven't discovered it yet! The maths haven't been done yet!
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I've always assumed God was bored one day, so he wrote and compiled Universe.c. He then grabbed a beer, sat down, ran it with some weird parameters, and he's still laughing at the mess he has caused so far. :lol:
(No, I didn't watched Matrix. Well, only the first one, and it was many years ago. :nervous: )
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I still think the entire universe is a giant economic/financial predictive simulation run by the Blender Foundation of a similar universe which lags 3 or so years behind ours.
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Tell that to Galileo.
That was silly. Tell it to people who think Creationism should be taught in public schools. They are not understanding the whole science trumps beliefs idea.
*Sigh*
I am in no way, shape, or form defending whatever retard may decide to make it his personal quest to be a retard and keep retarded practices going. I'm saying that you're doing nothing but stereotyping every kind of decent person who still can believe something created the universe/life/whathaveyou with said retard.
Science does not trump beliefs. Beliefs do not trump science. The two can co-exist, and you're just as bad as the people you hate-on for the same reason, just on the opposite side of the fence.
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Science does in fact trump beliefs. People used to believe all manner of silly things which science has proven false. Give it another couple of hundred years, and the rest of the silly things will be proven false. Though, chances are, people will always come up with new silly things to believe.
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I still think the entire universe is a giant economic/financial predictive simulation run by the Blender Foundation of a similar universe which lags 3 or so years behind ours.
Hold on! They are using us? :mad:
:lol:
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I've always assumed God was bored one day, so he wrote and compiled Universe.c. He then grabbed a beer, sat down, ran it with some weird parameters, and he's still laughing at the mess he has caused so far. :lol:
ROFL. Reminds me of this:
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
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People who think evolution didn't happen. Hence the name, "creationist."
For creationists, I'd say evolution is simply something that happened to other people :P
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Odd, Sharon and I were talking about this at the weekend while I was in Glasgow. Since her mother died of Bowel Cancer, and her father of heart disease, which runs in the family, her opinion is that if mankind was Created, God is **** at designing things.
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My optic nerve coulda told you that.
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Science does in fact trump beliefs. People used to believe all manner of silly things which science has proven false. Give it another couple of hundred years, and the rest of the silly things will be proven false. Though, chances are, people will always come up with new silly things to believe.
I love how you're so absolutely sure of an uncertainty. Science has often proved its own theories and hypotheses wrong, yet I'd be willing to bet you'd believe they were true up to the very moment they were disproved.
Science cannot trump beliefs, because science and faith are two fundamentally different things. They serve different functions.
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Science helps us understand and manipulate reality such that we can lead happier, more fulfilling lives, faith helps us.... uhmm... gosh, you're gonna have to help me on this one.
And that's the good thing about science. Science is always looking for the real truths. When something we thought true turns out not to be... we accept it and move on! Whereas faith, well, you believe what your parents told you to and then keep that belief forever no matter what anybody else says.
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'Science presented as a religion was the ultimate tool, because the miracle of science is that it works' - Asimov, Foundation
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If only we spent as much on public education as we do on killing other countries' children.
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Science helps us understand and manipulate reality such that we can lead happier, more fulfilling lives, faith helps us.... uhmm... gosh, you're gonna have to help me on this one.
So Jesus didn't do acts of charity because he thought that was what God wanted his children to do?
Zack, religious people give more to charity than non-religious people, even to secular charities.
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If only we spent as much on public education as we do on killing other countries' children.
Uh... what!? :wtf:
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Science helps us understand and manipulate reality such that we can lead happier, more fulfilling lives, faith helps us.... uhmm... gosh, you're gonna have to help me on this one.
So Jesus didn't do acts of charity because he thought that was what God wanted his children to do?
Zack, religious people give more to charity than non-religious people, even to secular charities.
Poor people donate more than rich people. Maybe we should all be poor.
It's kinda sad you need religion to tell you to be good.
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I love how you're so absolutely sure of an uncertainty. Science has often proved its own theories and hypotheses wrong, yet I'd be willing to bet you'd believe they were true up to the very moment they were disproved.
See, this is what bugs me about these debates. A scientific theory does not claim to be a universal truth; it is an accurate model of our understanding of the universe, based on the information we currently have. No scientist would claim that we are going to keep any theory forever, because if new and contradictory evidence is found, the theory is modified.
Here's an example: Is 17th century Newtonian physics 'true'? Newton's laws still hold--tennis balls follow parabolic trajectories, objects still have friction, and for 99% of our everyday interactions they work perfectly fine. So then Einstein comes along and discovers that Newtonian mechanics don't completely describe the interaction of masses at the very very large or very very small scales, so he comes up with new formulae that describe them more accurately in those situations.
Einstein didn't 'prove [Newton's] theories and hypotheses wrong.' He built on them, refined them, and made them more complete. Whatever is happening in the universe is still happening, the only thing that's changed is our understanding of it.
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Science helps us understand and manipulate reality such that we can lead happier, more fulfilling lives, faith helps us.... uhmm... gosh, you're gonna have to help me on this one.
So Jesus didn't do acts of charity because he thought that was what God wanted his children to do?
Zack, religious people give more to charity than non-religious people, even to secular charities.
Poor people donate more than rich people. Maybe we should all be poor.
Aren't poor people usually the religious ones though?
And maybe as a percentage of income, but I doubt many poor families can donate tens of millions of dollars to charity like Bill Gates or Warren Buffet can.
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Oh! Now I get it, it was posted in the wrong thread. :lol: I thought she was accusing religious people of something.
Ok then, sorry.
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Science helps us understand and manipulate reality such that we can lead happier, more fulfilling lives, faith helps us.... uhmm... gosh, you're gonna have to help me on this one.
So Jesus didn't do acts of charity because he thought that was what God wanted his children to do?
Zack, religious people give more to charity than non-religious people, even to secular charities.
Poor people donate more than rich people. Maybe we should all be poor.
Aren't poor people usually the religious ones though?
And maybe as a percentage of income, but I doubt many poor families can donate tens of millions of dollars to charity like Bill Gates or Warren Buffet can.
As a percentage of income is the most important measure. Giving 10% of $40,000 is a lot more significant than 10% of $400,000.
Aaaaand, I have yet to see your point. Who cares if religious people are more generous? Why don't you go out and show me the atheist who's molested hundreds of children, eh? Sure, there are some good things about religion. Occasionally, it can be used to scare stupid people into not making human sacrifices or some such nonsense. But more often it's used to make the world that much more of a miserable place to live.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/us_and_canada/10321466.stm
Not quite worth a thread of it's own, but sort of on-topic, and rather amusing...
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The frame is all that remains of the wood, polystyrene and glass fibre statue
What were they thinking? :lol:
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Science helps us understand and manipulate reality such that we can lead happier, more fulfilling lives, faith helps us.... uhmm... gosh, you're gonna have to help me on this one.
So Jesus didn't do acts of charity because he thought that was what God wanted his children to do?
Zack, religious people give more to charity than non-religious people, even to secular charities.
Poor people donate more than rich people. Maybe we should all be poor.
Aren't poor people usually the religious ones though?
And maybe as a percentage of income, but I doubt many poor families can donate tens of millions of dollars to charity like Bill Gates or Warren Buffet can.
As a percentage of income is the most important measure. Giving 10% of $40,000 is a lot more significant than 10% of $400,000.
Aaaaand, I have yet to see your point. Who cares if religious people are more generous? Why don't you go out and show me the atheist who's molested hundreds of children, eh? Sure, there are some good things about religion. Occasionally, it can be used to scare stupid people into not making human sacrifices or some such nonsense. But more often it's used to make the world that much more of a miserable place to live.
Every single time you say this, I respond the same way, and every single time, you ignore it. This time I'll say it in big, easy to read letters.
That is not religion, that is people using religion for their own gain and others' detriment.
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I was about to go on a balls-to-the-wall rant about how historically religion is responsible for a very large portion of atrocities and genocides, and how certain groups have been struggling over the same damn spit of desert for the past two millenium, but I'll spare you that tirade and instead give you this little gem:
http://fatpita.net/?i=5973 (http://fatpita.net/?i=5973)
I don't make fun of Creationists. If creationists can agree to coincide with evolutionists, I have no problem with them as their ideas neither break my leg nor pick my pocket. It's when they attempt to censor information, effectively violating freedom of speech, to further their own agendas that I have an issue with them. I'm rather scared that they think they have the right to censor out scientifically accepted theories for reasons that make no logical sense whatsoever and whose sources are probably 100 times removed from the primary source, and come from something that has never been proven to exist, and for all we know is a guise for our own mind.
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Go here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Potholer54debunks
And watch all of Creationist "Science" get destroyed, one piece at a time.
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I was about to go on a balls-to-the-wall rant about how historically religion is responsible for a very large portion of atrocities and genocides, and how certain groups have been struggling over the same damn spit of desert for the past two millenium, but I'll spare you that tirade...
Thank you. Also, see (my) above post.
And, on that little comic, the Bible (in the Old Testament) clearly shows God punishing people who try to do stuff themselves. Make of that what you will.
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I make of that a lock.
Will we ever have a reasoned science vs religion debate? Does something like that even exist? Stay tuned for the next installment of trolling on HLP!